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My Leo is a hero
May 25, 2003 | Arpege92

Posted on 05/25/2003 5:45:32 PM PDT by Arpege92

I know alot of people have no room in their heart for Police Officer's and in a strange way, I understand that sometimes but before anyone makes a final judgement on all police officer's, please allow me to tell you my side of this debate.

I have been married to a police officer for twelve years....some good and some bad. He has seen some of the most tragic and de-humanizing sides of people and he has seen the best as well. He is the kind of police officer to stop at the house of a lonely elderly man who just lost his wife. He is the kind of police officer who will take the time to fix the mailbox for a family who can't afford to get it fixed for themselves....of course, he does this on his own time and with his own money.

He is the kind of police officer who cried at the drowning of a two year old little girl. This happened while I was pregnant with our son and to this day, he refuses to get a swimming pool. He is the kind of police officer who will drive a man to a hospital where his wife is fighting for her life and it doesn't matter how long it takes or how long he has to wait.

He is an excellent father to his son, he is an excellent husband to me and there isn't anything he wouldn't do for his entire family. His father is disabled and whenever he needs my hero, he is there.

My husband has been called just about every bad word you could think of......his patience has been put to the test.....and yet, he has this quality about him of never letting his anger get the best of him. His ability to stay in control in some of the worst circumstances is mind blowing and the respect he has of his junior officers is well known.

Am I biased? You damn right I am....police officer's don't get good quality press time. In fact, the only time cops get press time is when something has gone wrong. The press isn't interested in the truth about police officers....it's better stories for them! Al Sharpton and his cronies are the first to appear in front of a camera when a black person is killed at the hands of police officers and they aren't interested in the whole truth. It doesn't matter to them! Look at Tawana Brawley, this happened in my own back yard and the lives he ruined are just casualties in his quest for top black leader!

So, when you accuse all cops of being looters, murderers and whatever else you can come up with, please have the common courtesy of knowing all of the facts before you make final judgements. That is my hero you are talking about!!!


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1 posted on 05/25/2003 5:45:32 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
My brother is a cop, and aside from being older, taller, wealthier, stronger, and has brown eyes instead of blue, and a better shot than I, we are nearly identical.

Well, almost. Anyways, he picked a tough job, and has done a good job for the last 20 years. Tells the funniest stories!
2 posted on 05/25/2003 5:57:35 PM PDT by donmeaker (Time is Relative, at least in my family.)
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To: donmeaker
Amen....I'll tell ya, I am getting kicked around on another thread about cops and it is a relief to hear from someone who understands.
3 posted on 05/25/2003 6:00:17 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
There are people on this forum that get their jollies smashmouthing police. Most of them are War On Drug warriors (they are against) and want to take it out on on cops on the internet because it is so easy and anonymous.

Don't sweat them.

A cop's proud dad.

4 posted on 05/25/2003 6:07:15 PM PDT by spectre
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To: Arpege92
Good cop bttt - props to your guy.
5 posted on 05/25/2003 6:09:02 PM PDT by lodwick
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To: spectre
Oh....bless you! Most times I just don't say a word but I guess I just had enough.
6 posted on 05/25/2003 6:09:02 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: lodwick
Thanks....I will pass it on to him.....when he gets home from work.
7 posted on 05/25/2003 6:09:40 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
My son is at ISU....studying criminalogy...his goal...a policeman or something in law enforcement.....keep your chin up..there are a lot of cops on FR.
8 posted on 05/25/2003 6:15:38 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: Arpege92
I believe most police officers are honest and hardworking people who are trying to protect an unappreciative public. I appreciate the work they do.
9 posted on 05/25/2003 6:20:14 PM PDT by arjay
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To: Arpege92
Kudos to you!

I've got two sons who are Dallas police officers.

They're young still, but they love the work and I see them growing in the job every week.

Their lives are on the line every time they step out the door in a uniform.

God loves 'em all!

10 posted on 05/25/2003 6:25:40 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: sinkspur
Wow....you must be proud! Tell them thanks for doing such a good job!
11 posted on 05/25/2003 6:26:44 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: arjay
Thank you!
12 posted on 05/25/2003 6:27:33 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: mystery-ak
Tell your son thank you for wanting to be a police officer. They can always use good men and women.
13 posted on 05/25/2003 6:29:54 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
Most cops are "good". They deserve our respect. They shouldn't have the bad ones lumped in with them, but they sometimes do.

My hat is off to your husband and all others like him!

14 posted on 05/25/2003 6:31:16 PM PDT by Gritty
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To: Arpege92
The cop haters have never been anything more than a wretched minority.
15 posted on 05/25/2003 6:31:49 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Some people just will never truly understand this line of work. That's really sad too.
16 posted on 05/25/2003 6:34:52 PM PDT by Arpege92
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To: Arpege92
While I have met more good police officers than bad ones I think the term LEO highlights the problem many Americans have with the police.

Prior the War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, the War on Terror, etc. police officers were often referred to as Peace Officers: their job was to protect the peace.

You see there are really 2 types of crimes: In mala see (crimes that are evil in themselves because they hurt other people) and in mala prohibita (things that are crimes because some power tripping bureaucrat says so).

LEO's enfore laws, no matter how unjust or ill-conceived, protecting the peace is no longer seems to be a high priority.

For instance, in your state of New York, the mere ability to defend oneself against a rapist is punished as harshly as rape itself.

Frankly, the last time I travelled to New York I no longer felt I was in America, I no longer felt free.

The best way to make the laws (and therefore LEOs) respected is to only pass respectable laws.

17 posted on 05/25/2003 6:44:31 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: Arpege92
Thank you so much. For years I have read attacks on Police officers by people who would never do their job,but who are the first to complain about everything Police officers do. You tend to make different decisions when you have a few seconds to save someone else's life or your own. It's too bad that there are bad apples in law enforcement,but all cops are not corrupt, and if they are like my hero or yours,our safety is in good hands. I pray every night that God protects all the brave men and women who work so hard to keep us safe.
18 posted on 05/25/2003 6:44:39 PM PDT by copwife
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To: Arpege92
So, when you accuse all cops of being looters, murderers and whatever else you can come up with....

I am surprised to see that statement on this forum. I would think that few people on Free Republic feel this way. At least I hope so.

19 posted on 05/25/2003 6:45:31 PM PDT by knuthom
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To: Arpege92
Good post.
20 posted on 05/25/2003 6:47:21 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Arpege92
As the daughter of a police officer and the wife of a firefighter, I've gone through life hearing the good and the bad about our civil servants. Sometimes comments were made directly at me in order to rile me. I learned long ago that the best one can do is keep your head held high. It's not always easy to let things roll off your back, but it's necessary in order to maintain the pride that you have in your brave loved ones. No one can take that away from you! God bless all our civil servants and their families!
21 posted on 05/25/2003 6:55:45 PM PDT by jnygrl
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To: AdamSelene235
Your concise definition of the source of laws was excellent. To ask officers to enforce the 'in mala prohibita' laws invites the situation we are now in.

Your post defines the crux of the problem - that which officers have been tasked to do as compared with what they should be doing.

Thanks for the defining definitions.
22 posted on 05/25/2003 7:17:23 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: Arpege92
Good post! I also have been a cop (patrol officer)for the past 12 years and you are right on the money...bad press/ appreciated rarely. Being a new freeper....it's great to see support here. Over the past 12 years things have changed so much. When I started in 91, (right before the Rodney King incident) we were generally viwed as the good guys. But now we are "generally" veiwed as the bad guys. It seems that the only people that like the police are family, close friends, and elementary age kids. I say generally because they are always good people, like the people on this site that support the police. I've learned to except it. I'm still pretty young and have at least 20 years left until I retire. Arpege92- kudos to you for being a cop's wife (very hard job) and to your husband for being a warrior. And thank you to all of the freepers who support us.
23 posted on 05/25/2003 7:23:43 PM PDT by pacman50
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To: spectre
The reason cops take the heat on the WoD is that cop unions have a strong influnce on laws and enforcement priorities. If cops and their unions were working against abominations like the WoD and its handmaidens, like the harrassment of gun owners during the Maryland sniper incident, cops would get all cheers from me.
24 posted on 05/25/2003 7:24:57 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Arpege92
I saw the thread you're talking about. Servant of Nine started it. It don't know him that well, at first I thought he was a statist disruptor when he was talking about the jury verdict that was overturned by a Liberal Judge. Then he posts this on FR. In a way he's right that we should be able to defend ourselves from unlawful searches, but then again I've seen his previous posts and wonder about his real intentions.

He seems to tell us that on the one hand we should strictly follow the law (Judges), but then on the other we should resist with controlled violence if necessary.

I think he just hates cops. Probably a dope smoker.
25 posted on 05/25/2003 7:29:35 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: pacman50
There is a simple recipe for respect:

Keep costs under control.

Keep effectiveness up: Make sure the solution rates for crimes that are meaningful to middle class Freepers are at historic norms. In some cities, the murder (!!!) solution rate has fallen to below 50%, rape also under 50%, burglary almost zilch, robbery under 15%. That's NOT GOOD, especially if costs keep going up.

Keep your priorities straight. Revenue from tickets just to keep more cops on the job is NOT a priority. Push constitutionally dubious laws to the bottom of the list.
26 posted on 05/25/2003 7:31:27 PM PDT by eno_
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To: Servant of the Nine
Bump for you...not to pollute the thread, but to show you I'm not talking about you behind your back ;)
27 posted on 05/25/2003 7:33:40 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: I got the rope
If no-knock raids (another Nixon-era invention almost as good as the EPA) were limited to true emergencies, like hostage rescues, there would be no dead heart attack (wrong address) victims because cops use stun grenades.
28 posted on 05/25/2003 7:33:58 PM PDT by eno_
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To: eno_
I agree. I think the problem with these sorts of cops is that they are former soldiers or marines that have left the military for some reason or another and landed a good civil servant position. The problem is that they have not been trained to be peace officers, but are trained killers. We need folks like this, but maybe we should have a mandatory wait time of 5 yrs or so before they can apply to be peace officers.

29 posted on 05/25/2003 7:47:09 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: eno_
If cops and their unions were working against abominations like the WoD

Cop haters are often driven by a desire for legalized dope,

30 posted on 05/25/2003 7:47:25 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: I got the rope
I think he just hates cops. Probably a dope smoker.

The two seem to go together.

31 posted on 05/25/2003 7:49:03 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
I'm glad I wasn't the only one to notice. Arpege92 was being overwhelmed by dope smokers in the thread she mentioned. So9 is talking out of both sides of his mouth when it comes to the law. I'm sure he will be on this thread as soon as he puts down his roach clip and turns off the Jethro Tull tunes.
32 posted on 05/25/2003 7:54:55 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Arpege92
Beautiful.
Only those with no respect for authority are not thankful to those men and women who wear the shield and put their lives on the line daily protecting us from those who have no respect for authority.
33 posted on 05/25/2003 7:55:53 PM PDT by ladyinred (Freedom isn't free, remember our fallen heroes)
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To: Roscoe
It's amusing to find Constitution-bending trolls like yourself on this forum. Typical liberal, personal attacks while the real argument, Liberty, goes right over your head.
34 posted on 05/25/2003 7:58:26 PM PDT by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
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To: Darheel
Constitution-bending

That what the dopers do when they claim they have a "Constitutional" right to smoke dope and shoot cops.

35 posted on 05/25/2003 8:00:04 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Arpege92; Cap'n Crunch
I'm pinging my bud, the breakfast captain, to this thread.

He's a law enforcement veteran, and will no doubt have a contribution, after his shift.

36 posted on 05/25/2003 8:05:20 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: I got the rope
"Trained killers"???


It's more more like "Defense training"
37 posted on 05/25/2003 8:06:05 PM PDT by Arpege92
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39 posted on 05/25/2003 8:11:11 PM PDT by Darheel (Visit the strange and wonderful.)
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To: Darheel; Roscoe
Oh, please. Roscoe's a little, um, overbearing but keep your Catholic bashing to yourself.
40 posted on 05/25/2003 8:13:09 PM PDT by babaloo999
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To: Arpege92
He sounds like a good guy. Hope he doesn't badger citizens about trivial chickensh&* like seatbelts.
41 posted on 05/25/2003 8:14:40 PM PDT by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Arpege92
Great post! Policing is a pretty thankless job, and around here, not a very high-paying one. I think we're very lucky to have people willing to do it - and most of them do a pretty good job, too!
42 posted on 05/25/2003 8:17:46 PM PDT by Amelia
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To: Arpege92
When I grew up in Germany I was taught that the police is your friend and your helper and I found this to be true
43 posted on 05/25/2003 8:22:54 PM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Darheel
Interesting.
45 posted on 05/25/2003 8:27:57 PM PDT by babaloo999
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To: Arpege92
Kudos to your husband!

I know first hand how hard police officers work. For ten years, I served as what I often refer to as a "sworn-at" rather than a "sworn-in" (police officer) police department employee.

Eight of those years were at a small town department where as dispatcher, in addition to answering the phones, dispatching the calls, monitoring radio traffic, serving as the "desk officer," and doing what in a larger department would be handled by the records bureau (like typing and filing reports), I also handled the calls for the fire department within the city, volunteer fire department for outside the city, city utility calls and crew, and area electrical co-op utility calls and crew. (Can you say "juggle"?)

My favorite anecdote is one that probably isn't unique to our department. Somebody under arrest for a traffic offense (probably a DUI) started yelling at the officer, complaining that the officer should "go after the real criminals" and advising him that "after all I'm a taxpayer so I pay your salary!" Without missing a beat, the officer said, "Oh, so you're that cheap son of a b*tch! I've been wondering who I should complain to!"

Then there was the time when an officer related walking down the basement stairs at a little old lady's house to check out a noise she'd heard. About the time he got to the bottom of the stairs, a guy stuck a shotgun barrel (almost) up his nostrils, and, on relating the incident to some of us later, the officer said, "My aSShole puckered so tight my teeth chattered!"

Yes, working around police officers I learned to become immune to some of the language. But I also learned to respect those hard-working, underpaid, and under-appreciated employees. Sure, there's the occasional bully. (Likewise, we've probably all known the teacher who seemingly takes that job because he couldn't get away with bossing people around at any other job like he does his students.) But the bullies are the exception, not the rule.

Hollywood has done so much to discredit police officers, imo, by showing so many renegade or rogue cops, the constant shoot-outs, etc. In real life, it's an event -- and thank goodness, in most cases, not a frequent event -- when an officer even draws his weapon, let alone fires it!

Imagine going to work, wondering if the next person you face will be one who tries to end your life, and all the while dealing with that stress, knowing that at the end of your shift there will be far more Monday morning quarterbacks (many of them within your own department) advancing their opinions about how you handle -- or should have handled -- your job than there ever will be supporters.

Granted, I only worked as a dispatcher in two different cities. But, in both cities, I was amazed at how hostile the city governments were about granting any pay increases for police department employees.

At some point in every job, everybody tells him- or herself: There's got to be an easier way to make a living! In the case of police officers, there are (easier ways). Yet, they still do their jobs, day after day.

The ones who do that job well feel as strongly -- if not more strongly -- about their mission as do the politicians who pay them, for in my opinion, police officers are the true public servants. It's sad that so many people try to treat them like a "servant class" rather than elevate them to the status and appreciation they deserve.
46 posted on 05/25/2003 8:35:22 PM PDT by Fawnn (I think therefore I'm halfway there....)
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To: Arpege92

I can't go far enough in support of your article.

Cops in general are good people. They give out and deal with the worst of people on a continual basis.

My Brother has been a Lousiana Cop, a Lousiana State trooper and ultimately a federal marshall.

The stories he tells me boggle my mind.

I work for a large company in a small town in Bergan County(NYC Metro) New Jersey. I know alot of the cops.

I've however run into some major attitude though in the past. I've not had a ticket since 1995. I've been in the car on a couple occasions where they seemed to suggest I was a drug trafficer or whatever when the driver was just speeding. He subjected us to more derision and attitude than was necessary. There are a whole lot of cops out there with attitudes that suggest you're guilty of something. I don't do or condone drugs and I have nothing to hide.

There has to be a happy medium. Safety for the police and reasonable treatment towards the "pulled over" people.

I got pulled over in 1995 for doing 75 in a 65. I never went over 70 on my speedo but he ticketed me anyway. (he wasn't a jerk or anything). It was late in the evening on Route 80, in PA, likely about 10 miles from anywhere and there were no cars in sight. I said "I've been right at 65-70 for the past 300 miles or so".

His response? "My radar is calibrated every month, when was your speedometer calibrated?"

Now however, I have a new option.

I have a handheld Garmin GPS that sits on my dash. It tells my my speed at any particular time. Next time a cop says "my radar is calibrated every month" my response will be "My GPS is calibrated 5 times a second and GPS guidance can drop bombs within 25 feet over distances of 600 miles, who's is more accurate?"

I'll be curious to the response. I don't speed except that I keep up with traffic, but I'm interested in how a cop might respond to my question.

-Mal




47 posted on 05/25/2003 8:52:51 PM PDT by Malsua
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To: Arpege92
I'm sorry but soldiers don't practice defense...nor is breaking someone's door down to arrest them a defense of anything.
48 posted on 05/25/2003 9:45:51 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: Darheel
Cop haters also tend to hysteria and hyperbole.
49 posted on 05/25/2003 10:33:05 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Let's see what we get for the money. In New York, where they just had several botched no knock raids with one fatality due to domeone dropping dead of a heart attack when cops pitched a flashbang into his apartment, it costs NYC $118,025 in salary and benefits for one uniformed cop. Plus equipment, management overhead, facilities, etc.

At these costs, million dollar settlements are chump change. It's time to strip cops of liability protection, otherwise there is no deterrent.

Do the math:

Do you know how many crimes per cop are reported in NYC each year? In 1999 189,013 serious crimes were reported in NYC. Sounds like a lot, right? Sounds like every NYC cop better be solving a burglary or robbery every two days - maybe 50-100 crimes per cop per year to cover that. Right?

Well... That would make for a 100% solution rate. And that ain't happening. What is the solution rate for crimes in NYC (that is reported crimes, by the way)? They do OK with murder, for which the solution rate is 70%+, beating the nationwide rate of 66% (which is itself shamefully low). Nationwide, the solution rate for violent crime is 46%, and for property crime excluding arson, 16% (FBI UCR). Do you think NYC is beating those numbers?

NYC has about 40,000 uniformed officers. That's right: More than one officer for every 5 serious crimes reported each year. That means some cops, on averge, fail to solve even one crime in a whole year!

You want respect, Roscoe? Try doing a good job. Until those numbers are about ten times better than they are now, cops are rightly the butt of derision. You won't find job performance that bad outside a public school.

Let's hear your excuses.
50 posted on 05/26/2003 5:55:32 AM PDT by eno_
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