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Lesbian Catholic religious education coordinator denied award from the Archdiocese of St. Paul
The Star Tribune ^ | 02.22.03

Posted on 05/26/2003 6:49:30 PM PDT by Coleus

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:39:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

A Catholic religious education coordinator was denied an award from the Archdiocese of St. Paul and Minneapolis Wednesday evening because she is a lesbian, prompting a protest at the dinner honoring the other 17 recipients.

About 200 members of St. Joan of Arc Catholic Church demonstrated Wednesday night in support of Kathy Itzin, the church's religious education coordinator. Itzin, a member of St. Joan's, was to be one of 18 archdiocesan workers honored for their work in teaching young people about the faith. She is in a relationship with a partner, and they have four children, ages 10 to 16.


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Please ask that Itzin be removed as Religious Education Coordinator. She is in a publicly scandalous relationship, flaunting it in fact. St. Joan's is a gay parish that promotes "gay pride," a euphemism for championing sodomy and other perversions. Fr. George Wertin should be disciplined for turning his parish into a gay social club. Pray for this poor woman and her "partner," but especially for the poor children whose idea of marriage and love, and even friendship, can't help but be twisted by this disgraceful situation. May God have mercy on all of our children.
1 posted on 05/26/2003 6:49:30 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: *Catholic_list; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ..
Learning About Homosexuality
http://www.cathfam.org/Hitems/LearnHom.html

Catholic Church backs 'cure for gays'
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/831871/posts
2 posted on 05/26/2003 6:51:10 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
Catholics must recognize that homophobia is as sinful as unchastity

"Hate is Not a Catholic Value."

There is nothing to support the view that this has anything to do with phobias OR hatred.

The Church is simply speaking the truth, as it has for millenia.

3 posted on 05/26/2003 6:54:51 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: All
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4 posted on 05/26/2003 6:56:36 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
Catholic award withdrawn from lesbian
5 posted on 05/26/2003 6:59:18 PM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: Coleus
The Red Star misunderstands and possibly purposely misrepresents the problem.

The problem is not that Kathy Itzin is quietly and privately living in a lesbian relationship. The problem is that she is a lesbian activist, which is an entirely different matter.

All of us are sinners, one way or another, but we don't need religious education coordinators actively teaching sinful behavior to their youthful charges.
6 posted on 05/26/2003 7:15:40 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Coleus
On the other hand, lesbians in nun outfits are hot (so long as they're young).
7 posted on 05/26/2003 7:43:04 PM PDT by BCrago66
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To: JNB
Another article on your favorite 'infamous' parish.
8 posted on 05/26/2003 7:43:53 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Coleus
There was an English teacher at Union Catholic (NJ) who was openly gay and had the rainbow flag up in his classroom when my cousin was a student back in the 90s.
9 posted on 05/26/2003 7:49:30 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Clemenza
That's sick and shame on that school for allowing it. I wonder if he is still teaching there corrupting the minds of his students.
10 posted on 05/26/2003 7:54:33 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
**Archbishop Harry Flynn**

joins

Archbishop or is it Cardinal Arinze, who spoke at a college graduation and adhered to the Catholic message

and Bishop Reilly who cancelled his appointment to speak at a graduation when he found out the college supported a non-Catholic doctrine -- I can't remember for sure, but I think it had something to do with abortion.

I pray that this practice of the Episcopate (Bishops and above) standing up and speaking the truth continues and grows!

We need more of them!

11 posted on 05/26/2003 8:02:38 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Coleus
Thanks for the heads up!
12 posted on 05/26/2003 9:21:42 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Coleus
To withdraw it simply because of her sexual orientation is offensive to all gays and lesbians and to all of us in her community."

I'm curious just how seriously she takes the passing on of the Faith when she is obviously NOT following it in her daily life. It's not as though sometimes she sins and tries hard not to do it anymore. Her entire lifestyle is sinful!

I don't understand why any Parish would hire her if they knew that she was actively living this lifestyle. Would the Parish hire an active prostitute, even though she might be a nice, kind woman?

13 posted on 05/26/2003 9:24:04 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Coleus
This is how the takeover happens. It’s about time RC Church starts kicking these people out. and those that think its ok.
14 posted on 05/26/2003 11:37:04 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: Coleus
Bumpus ad summum
15 posted on 05/26/2003 11:41:53 PM PDT by Dajjal
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To: Coleus
Catholic award withdrawn from lesbian
16 posted on 05/26/2003 11:54:57 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: xsmommy
bump.
17 posted on 05/27/2003 4:13:20 AM PDT by TxBec (Tag! You're it!)
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To: Coleus
The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.


18 posted on 05/27/2003 8:14:52 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: Man_of_Reason
Fine, but when you flaunt it in public at a Catholic Institution, you don't deserve to have the job or get an award.
19 posted on 05/27/2003 8:18:29 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
The church let her actively flaunt her lifestyle and do her job. She did her job so well so deserved an award. Now they won't give the award. This could be construed as unjust prejudice because they let her work in the first place. It's the same as letting someone work for you and then not paying them because they are homosexual or black or a woman.
20 posted on 05/27/2003 8:24:38 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: Coleus
promotes "gay pride"

How can you have pride in something over which you swear you have no control?

21 posted on 05/27/2003 8:27:26 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Man_of_Reason
For the same reason they could take away the award if she were in the Klan.
22 posted on 05/27/2003 8:28:36 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Coleus
The bishop needs to get rid of the priest first. Then get someone in to correct the error. Those who refuse to accept Church teaching will leave (they were never really in).
23 posted on 05/27/2003 8:34:31 AM PDT by ThomasMore
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To: Coleus
She is in a relationship with a partner, and they have four children, ages 10 to 16.

What the hell is she doing teaching religious ed? This is pathetic.

24 posted on 05/27/2003 8:35:21 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: Coleus
Itzin said, "I've tried to live a life of integrity.

Unfortunately, the Modern Catholicism for many: "I'm a good person so I get to go to heaven". Why is that people can't understand that the Bible unequivocally states for itself that you cannot do certain things, and that one cannot pick and choose how to believe in Jesus Christ. It may be hard for many, but choose another God if you can't handle the manual!

25 posted on 05/27/2003 8:36:21 AM PDT by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Salvation
and Bishop Reilly who cancelled his appointment to speak at a graduation when he found out the college supported a non-Catholic doctrine -- I can't remember for sure, but I think it had something to do with abortion.

Yup. Abortion. Chris Matthews was going to be given an alumni award at Holy Cross College here in Worcester. The bishop boycotted. Didn't budge the board or President, who is a Jesuit priest, BTW. Barf.

26 posted on 05/27/2003 8:38:07 AM PDT by Aquinasfan
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To: txzman
You are right, God has given us ALL certain crosses to bear.For these people who have the unhealthy inclination toward homosexuality to give into the sin is wrong, and it should be discouraged, not applauded.
28 posted on 05/27/2003 8:39:10 AM PDT by RomanCatholicProlifer
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To: nickcarraway
Thanks, I don't like to do doubles it wastes my time and FR's bandwith. It's getting too complicated and taking too much time to check each section for a search. I checed the news/activism section. You posted it on the religion thread, that's why I didn't see it when I did a search for the article on the FR. It was much easier when FR didn't have a separate section for religion. I wouldn't have put it there since "homosexuality" is also a societal and political issue and not just a "religious" or a "Catholic" issue.
30 posted on 05/27/2003 8:40:57 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Man_of_Reason
"A" church and not "THE" church allowed this. The hierarchy of the RCC "ends" with the bishop who represents "the" church and did the right thing after "his" flock complained "justifiably" so. Being homosexual or black is not against the RCC, the church states that homosexuality is not a proper way of life or being and that one must remain celibate. Openly practicing and promoting homosexuality is against the RCC so the Bishop is right.
31 posted on 05/27/2003 8:45:32 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus; AppyPappy
I agree her lifestyle is wrong. But there seems to be a greater wrong here. She did good work for the church. It is commonly known she is a lesbian. It was announced she is going to get an award for her good work for the church. Then it is announced the award is retracted because she is a lesbian. Her work is still good regardless. The award was not retracted because of her work, it's not because she is a lesbian (this was known already), it's because it's bad public relations. This is unjust prejudice. They can give her the award for the work and also denounce her lifestyle at the same ceremony.
32 posted on 05/27/2003 8:58:51 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: Man_of_Reason
Without the help of grace, men would not know how "to discern the often narrow path between the cowardice which gives in to evil, and the violence which under the illusion of fighting evil only makes it worse."13 This is the path of charity, that is, of the love of God and of neighbor. Charity is the greatest social commandment. It respects others and their rights. It requires the practice of justice, and it alone makes us capable of it.
33 posted on 05/27/2003 9:08:56 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: Man_of_Reason
You cannot give her the award without supporting her lifestyle. It's like giving the Klan an award for cleaning the highway. She put her lifestyle on exhibit for everyone to see. You cannot separate her from it now.
34 posted on 05/27/2003 9:55:51 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Man_of_Reason
Without the help of grace, men would not know how "to discern the often narrow path between the cowardice which gives in to evil, and the violence which under the illusion of fighting evil only makes it worse."13 This is the path of charity, that is, of the love of God and of neighbor. Charity is the greatest social commandment. It respects others and their rights. It requires the practice of justice, and it alone makes us capable of it.

This is not "reason", it is sophistry.

The fact that I was a popular Sunday School teacher and well liked in my church (not Catholic) did not change the fact that I was having unmarried relations with my girlfriend and was utterly unrepentant about it. In short, I was a hypocrite, and unfit for the Sunday School job and certainly any award.

This babe is no different. Her complete and utter disregard for fundamental tenets of her supposed faith make her an utter hypocrite, regardless of how popular she is in her local parish. She is unrepentant, and unfit to receive ANY religious reward. She is even unfit to remain a member of the parish or the Catholic church.

Hypocrisy is not an option. She has no "right" to unrepentantly commit mortal sin after mortal sin. To suggest she does is the antithesis of justice, completely negates the church's teaching, and makes "Catholic" a total farce. Any parish that tolerates this kind of garbage should be holding Sabbats, not Masses.

35 posted on 05/27/2003 10:12:21 AM PDT by jimt
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To: AppyPappy
Good point. So why did the people of the parish only complain when she was to recieve the award? Why did they not complain when the lesbian first entered teaching? Their cowardice in the sins of omission let the evil enter. Now, to fight this evil, they wish to deny the woman's good works. They are correcting evil with evil. The fact they let her teach supported her lifestyle. Have they not sinned once, but twice?
36 posted on 05/27/2003 10:19:05 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: Man_of_Reason
it's because it's bad public relations>>>

No, it's standing in line with the laws of the RCC...Her lifestyle and values are not in concert with the Holy See and the "Pastor" the Bishop, the bottom line, did what he had to do.

the rest of your post is redundant since you gave the same argument on previous posts on this link.

Catholic religious education coordinator>>>>
She is in a relationship with a partner, and they have four children, ages 10 to 16.>>>>
who is openly rejecting the teaching of the church >>>

She's not in concert with the Holy See, living a non-practicing Catholic Lifestyle slapping the Church and Jesus in the face with this sodomistic lifestyle. Her work isn't good since she is not living a "Catholic" lifestyle, she is openly living in sin. Her work is the work of Satan.. No award is deserved. Her job and work and lifestyle is a fraud and demonic.
37 posted on 05/27/2003 10:23:16 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
"Hate is Not a Catholic Value."

Sin is not a Catholic value.

38 posted on 05/27/2003 10:24:32 AM PDT by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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To: Man_of_Reason
Your analogy is wrong.

Better: hetero male hired for job as DirRelEduc at a Catholic Church. Dumps wife, jumps student in program, makes it clear he's done so, "marries" student w/out annulment.

Bishop refuses to award the adulterer a prize for 'teaching excellence.'

NOW you have an analogy.
39 posted on 05/27/2003 10:28:35 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: pbear8
Good Point.
40 posted on 05/27/2003 10:29:35 AM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: jimt
It's not sophistry, it's a direct quote of the Catholic Catechism.
You are right about the hypocrisy. I cannot understand how the parish let this woman in, and now condemn her when they knew all along what she was. Why aren't these members of the church condemning themselves equally as much, for they let her in. They could be at least charitable, and acknowledge the good the woman has done, the goodness in her heart, and then ask her to leave until she changes her ways.
The whole situation is a terrible mess, I hope people find the guidance for the most charitable solution.
41 posted on 05/27/2003 10:29:54 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: jimt
unfit to remain a member of the parish or the Catholic church

Here's where you and the Catholic Church differ. She is perfectly welcome as a member of the Church. HOWEVER, she is expected to repent AND to sin no more.

42 posted on 05/27/2003 10:31:40 AM PDT by ninenot (Joe McCarthy was RIGHT, but Drank Too Much)
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To: Motherbear; dansangel
I was hard pressed to find adequate roll models for my kids in our local Catholic churches.

he he. Here's another one for you. You can rake me over the coals on this one, too. Maybe we need more roll models. We sure don't have many good role models.

I got bitched out on another thread about collages versus colleges, Motherbear.

I make these kinds of errors often myself so I'm not picking on the posters.

43 posted on 05/27/2003 10:38:21 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: Man_of_Reason
I think the district (whatever) was unaware of her lifestyle. When they found out that she was a practicing and admitted adulterer, they withdrew the award.
44 posted on 05/27/2003 10:41:53 AM PDT by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Aliska; Motherbear
With some people it is a form of dyslexia and they soon grow weary of having others point out their mistakes time and again.

It doesn't hurt to know who you might be lampooning.

Signed,
The *You-Know-What*

:-)
45 posted on 05/27/2003 10:43:27 AM PDT by dansangel (America - love it, support it or LEAVE it!)
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To: Man_of_Reason
I cannot understand how the parish let this woman in, and now condemn her when they knew all along what she was.

The parish in question is notorious, and notoriously disobedient. The real hypocrisy consists in St. Joan of Arc calling itself "Catholic," when it has no intention of teaching major areas of Catholic doctrine, and in fact glories in undermining it. The fact that they hired someone, allegedly to teach Catholic religious education, who was publicly engaged in a "lifestyle" completely out of accord with (authentic) Catholic teaching, is their fault. The fact that the bishop has, up to now, let them get away with it is his fault.

46 posted on 05/27/2003 10:49:57 AM PDT by Campion
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To: AppyPappy
The news releases indicate she was a widely known lesbian. It appears that many in the parish knew and decided to do nothing. Those who knew and did nothing let evil continue. I pray that they realize, in their conscience, the wrong they have done and make amends. Has the district removed her from her teaching position or have they just taken the award away? If they have only taken the award away, then they are supporting her lifestyle.
It's my opinion that the most charitible resolution to this complex issue is to acknowledge the good the woman has done, but politiely and firmly ask her to leave until she changes her ways. I would also ask the parish members to ask themselves why they let this happen in the first place.
47 posted on 05/27/2003 10:52:14 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: Campion
Thank you.
48 posted on 05/27/2003 10:54:26 AM PDT by Man_of_Reason
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To: dansangel; Motherbear
I'll try to be more careful in the future as I agree it isn't nice to hurt peoples' feelings. Maybe I could have made my inane little comment and been a little more tactful at the same time.
49 posted on 05/27/2003 11:00:31 AM PDT by Aliska
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To: ninenot
Here's where you and the Catholic Church differ. She is perfectly welcome as a member of the Church. HOWEVER, she is expected to repent AND to sin no more.

Your HOWEVER is exactly my point. My limited understanding of the Catholic church is that people who repeatedly commit mortal sins and are unrepentant are excommunicated, not awarded.

Have I got that wrong?

50 posted on 05/27/2003 11:17:34 AM PDT by jimt
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