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Suspended N.Y. Times Reporter Says He'll Quit - Rick Bragg Decries 'Poisonous Atmosphere' (BWA-HA!)
The Washington Post ^
| May 27, 2003
| Howard Kurtz
Posted on 05/27/2003 12:31:16 AM PDT by Timesink
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Oh, you GOTTA read this one.
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posted on
05/27/2003 12:31:16 AM PDT
by
Timesink
To: Timesink
"HA-haaa"
To: Timesink
Too bad for Bragg. He's a hell of a writer. His books on the South are wonderful.
I hope Howell gets his nuts kicked.
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posted on
05/27/2003 12:39:12 AM PDT
by
zarf
(Republicans for Sharpton 2004)
To: zarf
A fiction writer, like Mike Barnicle of the Globe.
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posted on
05/27/2003 12:43:35 AM PDT
by
Leisler
To: martin_fierro; reformed_democrat; Loyalist; =Intervention=; PianoMan; GOPJ; Miss Marple; Tamsey; ...
This is the New York Times Schadenfreude Ping List. Freepmail me to be added or dropped.
I'm copying as fast as I can!!
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posted on
05/27/2003 12:45:25 AM PDT
by
Timesink
To: Timesink
ping!
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posted on
05/27/2003 12:48:19 AM PDT
by
lainde
To: Timesink
I guess it's not about sex anymore. These lies can't be swept under the rug.
-PJ
To: Leisler
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posted on
05/27/2003 12:53:07 AM PDT
by
martin_fierro
(A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
To: Timesink
A. Rick Bragg is quite simply one of the best spot reporters in America.
B. The practices he describes are, indeed, more common than people know. Somebody has to "get the dateline," and EVERYBODY relies on Nexis research for background. That is not plagiarism, so long as credits are properly given.
C. Want to guess how many stories datelined "Crawford, Texas" were mostly written on the plane trip from Washington and actually filed from a motel in Waco?
To: Timesink
Bragg quote: "Obviously, I'm taking a bullet here," he said of the suspension imposed last week. "Anyone with half a brain can see that." But, he said, "I'm too mad to whine about it."
This is rich. Since the article is nothing but a self pity party, I hope Brag gets a little stinky cheese to go with his whine.
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posted on
05/27/2003 1:03:50 AM PDT
by
demkicker
(I wanna kick some commie butt)
To: Timesink
There's another important dimension to this: Howell Raines tried to dump this news on the friday before Memorial Day (fridays are good days to dump bad news because few people read the papers on the weekends).
But Bragg resigned on Monday, which means the story is going to hit the papers on Monday, the most important day of the week (in terms of the news cycle). So this is going to hurt the Times.
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posted on
05/27/2003 1:14:12 AM PDT
by
xm177e2
(Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
To: Timesink
I'd like to know more about the special relationship between this Sugar Daddy and the "co-author" he was keeping there in Appalachicola.
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posted on
05/27/2003 1:45:39 AM PDT
by
martin_fierro
(A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
To: Lancey Howard
Good one. Here's a question: Do you have to be from the South to lead a "hardscrabble" life?
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posted on
05/27/2003 1:52:20 AM PDT
by
BCrago66
To: Timesink
"The problem with this, Rick, is that you wrote it too good." I realize I am not a mighty newspaper editor, and I am certainly not an English linguist expert, but should that not read "you wrote it too well."???
"I will take it from a stringer. I will take it from an intern.
Spoken like a true Democrat.
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posted on
05/27/2003 1:55:38 AM PDT
by
SkyPilot
("Don't believe everything you read in the newspapers." ----- Jayson Blair)
To: Madstrider
B. The practices he describes are, indeed, more common than people know. Somebody has to "get the dateline," and EVERYBODY relies on Nexis research for background. That is not plagiarism, so long as credits are properly given.That's the problem: The Times, and most newspapers, don't give the credits to the freelancers and the staffers that do most of the footwork. (For those of you lucky enough to not be in the journalism industry, what we're talking about is the way that, say, a magazine like Newsweek will publish a story "by" a specific person or persons - for example, this article on Al Qaeda "by" Michael Isikoff, Daniel Klaidman and Evan Thomas, but will also note at the end of the article (scroll down to the bottom) that several other people were involved in gathering the information needed for the main authors to write the story (in this case: "With Mark Hosenball and Tamara Lipper in Washington, Christopher Dickey in Paris, Tom Masland in Lebanon and Emily Flynn in London." Newspapers like The New York Times don't generally give a damn about the Hosenballs, Lippers, Dickeys, Maslands and Flynns, and never credit them.)
The question, of course, is why this is somehow Bragg's fault this time when The Times never gives the foot soldiers bylines. He probably is being scapegoated.
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posted on
05/27/2003 2:09:36 AM PDT
by
Timesink
To: Timesink
You know, I absolutely didn't know this. I had no idea that reporters for newspapers had "staff." I actually assumed that they gathered the information themselves.
I have noticed those names in articles in Time and Newsweek, but I assumed that this was because the story was so big it required people in several different cities.
If this is the practice at major newspapers, no wonder they make so many factual errors.
By the way, it looks to me like infighting and talking to other papers is accelerating. Excellent.
And he is too whining!!
To: Miss Marple
By the way, it looks to me like infighting and talking to other papers is accelerating. Excellent.Warms my heart. The liberal fortress is cracking in many walls. The TV media wall. The print media wall. The legislature wall. The registered voter wall. But their fortress has two baileys, much like a castle. This is the outer bailey. The inner bailey is the liberal courts, the universities, the think tanks, and the UN. We are already eye-balling them. When the outer bailey falls, its usually just a matter of time for the inner bailey. That means we have proven our strength and determination. But prayer never hurts. The outer bailey is always more fortified. FReegards....
To: SkyPilot
You said it.I can't type that fast.
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posted on
05/27/2003 3:32:59 AM PDT
by
noutopia
To: Timesink
The New York Times is using Bragg to change the subject. Bragg's "infraction" will move the light from bad policy, racist policies, and rampant favoritism.
It's like when liberal papers have two equal stories -- one about a democrat who rapes and murders young women and the other about a Republican who jaywalks. The jaywalker is the villain, and the top story.
Bragg is the jaywalker.
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posted on
05/27/2003 4:12:26 AM PDT
by
GOPJ
To: SkyPilot
"I will take it from a stringer. I will take it from an intern." Dang it all, if that's not a coincidence.
That's the personal ad Howell Raines ran in the New Yorker.
Rick Bragg answered the ad......that's how he got hired.
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posted on
05/27/2003 5:05:31 AM PDT
by
Liz
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