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This is what happens when governments try to ban guns
Telegraph UK ^ | 05/01/2003) | Mark Steyn

Posted on 05/28/2003 7:29:57 PM PDT by Mensch

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1 posted on 05/28/2003 7:29:57 PM PDT by Mensch
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To: *bang_list
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2 posted on 05/28/2003 7:33:48 PM PDT by Sir Gawain
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To: Sir Gawain
Of course all the criminals are the only ones to have guns. We can't have the law-abiding citizens being allowed to protect themselves against all the criminals with guns by having their own guns now, can we?
3 posted on 05/28/2003 7:45:23 PM PDT by Roxymoron
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To: Mensch
Good article. Thanks for posting.
4 posted on 05/28/2003 8:03:27 PM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: Mensch
This is actually a fairly old one from Steyn but it is one of my favorites.
5 posted on 05/28/2003 8:24:32 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Mensch
I just sent this to a British in-law who thinks Americans are crazy to have a constitutional right to bear arms. He thinks all disputes should be settled with your fists. Maybe so, but it's not working in England very well any more. And the pubs aren't what they used to be, either, with hardly a free house left anywhere and the brewery chains running the show.
6 posted on 05/28/2003 8:34:41 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Mensch
It's easier... just to go "total": blame everyone, ban everything.

Well said, old chap.

7 posted on 05/28/2003 8:38:29 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: Mensch
Great post!
8 posted on 05/28/2003 8:49:11 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
To break into my house would require getting past an alarm system and my dog. By the above actions one has demonstrated ill and probably violent intent. In such a case I would use every effort and means I possess to kill the intruder.
9 posted on 05/28/2003 8:56:27 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH & oil field trash and proud of it)
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To: Mensch
I thought Birmingham has always been rough.

I know Strathclyde, Scotland is really bad. 380,000 people, 82 murders(2000?2001?) That was worse than all Michigan cities outside of Flint and Detroit.

10 posted on 05/28/2003 9:00:23 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan ("It's the same ole story, same ole song and dance, my friend")
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In such a case I would use every effort and means I possess to kill the intruder.

If you do that in England you go to jail and the heirs of the perp get to sue you.

11 posted on 05/28/2003 9:12:35 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: Sir Gawain; *bang_list
WARNING:

This article appeared earlier...perhaps as early as last year.

Something fishy going on...you've been warned.
12 posted on 05/28/2003 9:13:43 PM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: Prodigal Son
Wow. I'm a big Steyn fan and read this whole article w/o realizing it was him. It's grim compared to his normal work.
13 posted on 05/28/2003 9:36:36 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
TEXAS sir, TEXAS!!
14 posted on 05/28/2003 9:57:28 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH & oil field trash and proud of it)
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To: Mensch
BTTT
15 posted on 05/28/2003 11:39:36 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: Mensch
nancy-boy Canadians.

Man, is this guy perceptive or what?
16 posted on 05/28/2003 11:56:06 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Mensch; All
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/711949/posts
Do Guns Save Lives?

-Empty-Barrel Gun Policies-A legacy of nonsense from Clinton, Blair, and the Left--

-A Problem With Guns (Long... but SOOOO good)--

Shooting More Holes in Gun Control

Gun Control Down Under

HCI Aussie Style (read it and weep-or laugh)

The Great Australian Gun Law CON!

British Gun Crime Soars

Gun Crimes Surge in London

More Guns on Street - Cops Fearing Increased Bloodshed (more Canadian gun control "success")

Through the Looking Glass and Back Again - From Anti-gunner to Firearms Instructor in Four Months


Swiss Gun Laws- and some rebuttal to HCI "spin"-- Thread II

Statistical Facts Gun-haters Run From

17 posted on 05/29/2003 1:46:41 AM PDT by backhoe (What part about "uninfringed" is so hard to understand? The 2nd guards the 1st...)
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To: Mensch
I LOVE his writing!
This should be chiseled in granite somewhere:

"The monumentally useless British police, with greater manpower per capita on higher rates of pay and with far more lavish resources than the Americans, haven't had an original idea in decades, so they cling ever more fiercely to their core ideology: the best way to deal with criminals is to impose ever greater restrictions and inconveniences on the law-abiding."

18 posted on 05/29/2003 6:10:37 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: Maelstrom
Ths is an old Steyn.... think it was written shortly after the New Year's shootings referenced in the article.

However, the points he makes are still very valid.
19 posted on 05/29/2003 6:14:31 AM PDT by Rummyfan
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Good read. And good insights into the political opportunism and social myopia of the "authorities", who ceaselessly utilize the actions of criminals to further their oppression of the law-abiding. Nothing good can be said about such a government, foreign or domestic.


20 posted on 05/29/2003 7:10:41 AM PDT by Joe Brower (http://www.joebrower.com/)
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