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Military History of the Great Powers(The complete list)
Me ^ | 5/28/2003 | Me

Posted on 05/28/2003 9:18:49 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE

The following is a general listing of all wars fought by the current "great powers" except for France during the last two thousand years . I believe that there are enough articles on the military history of France.

Britain

43 AD Roman Invasion- Lost celts slaughtered by legions of Emporor Claudius

60 AD Boudica Rebellion- Lost Single Roman Legion slaughtered 60,000 british celts

600 AD Anglo-Saxon Invasion- Won Celts eliminated by modern inhabitants of Britain(Legend of Arthur born of that era).

1066 AD Norman-Invasion- Lost Last Saxon king Harold shot in the eye by a barbed arrow in the Battle Hastings. William the Norman takes over the country.

1200 AD Expansion- Won took over Scotland, Ireland and Wales after decades of warfare, refined longbow technology was the decisive factor of victory.

1337 AD Hundred Years War- Won (Mostly) English Longbowmen slaughtered the French nobility in a series of one-sided battles. War ended with the English in control of Normandy and Castile.

1455 AD War of the Roses- Won Three decades of civil war between the houses of York and Lancaster

1588 AD Spanish Invasion- Won British fleet crushed the Spanish Armada, Britain becomes the dominant naval power of Europe.

1642 AD English Civil War- Won(Barely) British beat themselves

1689 AD French And Indian Wars- Won British forces crushed the French defense in Canada and took over Montreal

1751 AD Conquest of India- Won British forces conquors the Indian Subcontinent. Chandernagore, the last major Indian stronghold taken during the Battle of Plassy.

1756 AD War if the West Indies- Won British Navy takes control of the West Indies

1776 AD American Revolutionary War- Lost British defeated by their own colonists.

1793 AD Napoleonic Wars- Won, Duke of Wellington destroyed Napoleon's armies at the Battle of Warterloo.

1812 AD War of 1812- Lost, British again defeated by their own colonists.

1846 AD Opium War- Won British Naval forces easily crushed the Chinese Navy and took Hong Kong.

1854 AD Crimean War- Won British wins a land war against Russia and takes over the Crimean region and Svestapol from the Russian Empire.

1862 AD Second Opium War- Won British forces take control of Shanghai and portions of the Chinese Coast from the Chinese Empire.

1863 AD Mau Mau Wars- Won British forces sacks Timbuktu, and takes over Eastern africa.

1872 AD Ashanti Wars- Won British forces takes over most of the Ivory Coast

1879 AD Zulu War- Won British forces suffered several defeats but eventually wiped out 70% of the Zulu population and took over southern Africa.

1881 AD Busato Wars- Won British forces takes over central Africa.

1899 AD Anglo-Boer War- Won British forces slaughtered the Dutch settlers and took control of Rhodesia and the northern portion of South Africa.

1900 AD Boxer Rebellion- Won British forces along with 11 other nations destroyed China's rebellion, gained control of China's coastal region from Shanghai to Hong Kong.

1914 AD World War I- Won British forces fought off the German submarine campaign and destroyed the Ottoman Empire. Gained control of Iraq, Iran, Trans-Jordan, Arabia, and Eygpt.

1938 AD World War II- Won(Barely) Britain won with the aid of the U.S but suffered such losses that it did not have the resources to maintain its Empire.

1982 AD Falklands War- Won(Barely) Britain takes back control of the Falklands after losing 8 capital Ships due to the Exocet missiles of the Argentine airforce.

1991 AD Persian Gulf War- Won Britan fought alongside the U.S.

Russia

370 AD Hunnic Invasion- Lost King Ermanaric killed by the inital Hun invasion, Ostrogoth tribes driven out of European Russia by the nomadic Huns. Local Slavic tribes begin paying tribute to Hun overlords instead of Ostrogoth overlords.

850 AD Viking Invasion- Won Viking leader Rurik first captured Novogrod then proceeded to sack Keiv. After decades of Viking raids, local slavic towns adapted by fielding indigenous navies and armies thus gradually eliminating the Viking prescence over a period of 100 years.

1223 AD Mongol Invasion of Kievan Rus - Lost Kievan Rus came under attack by the hordes of Genghis Kahn. First use of biological warfare during the seige of Kiev. Plague-laced warheads atop chinese rockets were launched at the city. The state of Kiev was destroyed

1240 AD Mongol Invasion of Novogrod- Lost Mongels proceeded to defeat the state of Novogrod, thus consolidating Western Russia along with the eastern portion into the Kahnate of the Golden Horde. About 40% of entire population of European Russia killed due to Mongol invasions.

1367 AD Muscovy Rebellion- Won New state of Muscovy under Ivan III refused to pay tribute to the Mongol overlords. Russian army defeated the Golden Horde at the Battle of Kulikovo in 1380. Novogrod regained autonomy by 1420. Mongols driven out of European Russia by 1480. State of Muscovy absorbs Novogrod and other states to become the dominant power of European Russia.

1549 AD Southern Kahnate Wars- Won Russia under Ivan the terrible destroys the Kazan and Astakhan Khanates. Took the the Volga river valley and central asia.

1558 AD Livonian War- Lost Under Ivan the terrible, Russia fought the Swedes, Lithuanians, Poles, and the Teutonic Knights and lost after 24 years of continous warfare.

1581 AD Siberian Kahnate War - Won General Yermak defeated the Siberian Khanate and claimed the territories west of the Ob' and Irtysh rivers for Muscovy.

1598 AD Muscovy Civil War- Won Russians won against themselves.

1648 AD Ukranian War- Won Bogdan Khmel'nitskiy offered to place Ukraine under the protection of the Muscovite tsar, Russia took Ukraine from Poland.

1684 AD Amur War- Lost Technically more like a 3-way skirmish than a war, the Russian empire clashed with the expanding chinese empire as both states were trying to finish off the last of the mongol hordes in Siberia. After a period of conflict, Muscovy made peace with China in 1689. By the Treaty of Nerchinsk, Muscovy ceded the Amur Valley to China.

1697 AD First Ottoman War-Won Russia under Peter the Great defeated the Ottoman Empire and took over the Crimean region including the Black Sea ports of Azov and Taganrog.

1709 AD Second Livonian War- Won Peter the great crushed the swedish defenders at the battle of Poltava. Took over Estonia, Lativia.

1772 Belarus War- Won Russia took Belarus from Poland.

1787 AD Second Ottoman War- Won By the Treaty of Jassy in 1792, Russia expanded southward to the Dnestr River. Ottoman influence effectively removed from Eastern Europe.

1812 AD Napoleonic Invasion- Won(Barely) Over 10 million Russians dead and most of European Russia in ruins. But the French Army under Napoleon was defeated.

1854 AD Crimean War- Lost Britain wins a land war against Russia and takes over the Crimean region and Svestapol from the Russian Empire.

1887 AD Sino-Russian War-Won Russia took most of Siberia , established puppet state in Mongolia, and sets up sphere of influence in Manchuria.

1904 AD Russo-Japanese War-Lost Japanese crushed the main Russian fleet at Tsushima and proceeded to slaughter 500,000 Russians in Siberia. Lost Port Arthur and control of Manchuria to Japan.

1914 AD World War I- Lost 19 million Russians dead and a revolution at home force Russia to sign a cease-fire on German terms. Lost Ukraine and Belarus to Germany.

1918 AD Russian Revolution- Won Russians beat themselves, Soviet Union established.

1938 AD World War II- Won 37 million Russian dead versus 8 million German dead. Russia takes control of Eastern Europe, East Germany.

1979 AD Invasion of Afghanistan- Lost Soviet Union suffered high casualties against the Islamic Mujahadeen.

1991 AD Collapse of the Soviet Union- Lost Revolts began in all satillite states and smaller Soviet republics. Russia lost control of all of Eastern Europe, the Baltics, and central Asia.

1994 AD First Chechen War- Lost Poor logistics and obsolete equipment prevent Russia from ever securing the Chechen capital of Grozny during that war.

2000 AD Second Chechen War-Still being fought.

China

200 BC War of Unification-won Chinese beat themselves

100 BC War against the Hakka-won Slaughtered the natives of central china

50 BC War against the Min, Miao, Tocharian-won took over southern China

50 AD War against Central Asian Tribes, Sassinid Dynasty in Persia Won, took over most of central Asia

65 AD War against Korea-won took over Korean Peninsula

70 AD War against Vietnam-won took over Vietnam

75 AD War against the Huns-won, took over inner mongolia, drove the Huns out of East Asia and into Western Europe

210 AD Three Kindoms, Han Dynasty collapsed, civil war for the next 500 years-stalemate for most of the time.

700 AD Sui Dynasty established, new Emporer launches invasion of Japan-stalemate leaning towards defeat

800 AD Tang Dynasty resumes war to the south and west-won reconquored Vietnam, took Laos and colonized Hainan. Wiped out persia to the west(Persia was being attacked by the Arabs at the same time)

950 AD Sino-Arab war- lost at the battle of Talas gunpowder and magnetic compass technology taken by the Arabs.

970 AD Tang Government Collapses Song Dynasty emerges just as Ganghis Kahn attacks-Lost, all of Northern China taken over including Beijing.

1050 Sino-Tibetan war-lost, chinese troops can't stand the high altitude

1100 AD Mongol Conquest-Lost Song Dynasty was destroyed by Kublai Kahn ~40 million Chinese killed.

1250 AD First Sino-Japanese war-lost 3 separate naval invasions failed due to Kamikazees

1300 AD Moonlight Rebellion-won Mongols driven out, China regains original territories.

1500 AD First Sino-Japanese war-won, Japanese fleet destroyed in Korea.

1570 AD Manchu-war-Lost country taken over by Manchu's, the invaders where subsequently assimilated into Chinese culture.

1640 AD Sino-Dutch war-won Dutch colonists driven out of Taiwan by Chinese colonists.

1720 AD Sino-Mongolian War-won destroyed the home Kahnate of the Mongols, takes over outer mongolia

1740 AD Invasion of Siberia-won destroyed last holdouts of the Mongol golden horde.

1780 AD Sino-Urghar war-won Took over East Turkistan

1842 AD First Opium War-Lost Chinese military no match for British firepower, Britain takes Hong Kong from China

1853 AD Taiping Rebellion-won against themselves(barely) 20 million chinese dead and the most productive part of the country was ruined.

1864 AD Second Opium War-Lost same reason as the first, Britain takes over portions of Shangai and 10 other coastal cities.

1872 AD Sino-French War-Lost one of the few victories of the french, Fance takes Vietnam from China

1887 AD Sino-Russian War-Lost Russia took most of Siberia , established puppet state in Mongolia, and sets up sphere of influence in Manchuria

1896 AD Sino-Japanese War-Lost Japan crushed China's fleet and took over Korea.

1900 AD Boxer Rebellion-Lost , Japan takes Taiwan, Britain, France, Belgium, Spain divides Shanghai and the eastern coast, Germany takes Dalian, Russia takes portions of Manchuria.

1938 AD World War II-Won(Barely) 15 million dead Chinese vs 2 million dead Japanese but defeats Japan's army in Mainland East Asia, and regains Eastern coast, Manchuria, Hainan, and Taiwan.

1946 AD Chinese Civil war-won(but might as well be a loss), 5 million Chinese dead, communists drives Nationalists to Taiwan.

1950 AD Korean War-Stalemate 500 thousand Chinese dead and a de-populated Korea as a result of the war.

1951 AD Invasion of Tibet-Won Tibetan military was no match for the PLA(1 million Tibetans brutally murdered, but hey, china got some high quality Uranium ore out of it)

1962 AD Sino-Indian War- Won Chinese troops outnumbered the indians 3 to 1, takes over Askin Chin plateau, and parts of Kashmir

1979 AD Sino-Vietnamese War-Stalemate(on the way to a loss) Bad logistics, crappy weapons, low morale, and a battle-hardened enemy made the war untenable.

That is it folks, the list of wars that these states fought during the last two thousand years.


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1 posted on 05/28/2003 9:18:49 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
History Time Line bump
2 posted on 05/28/2003 9:24:15 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
1938 AD World War II-Won(Barely) 15 million dead Chinese vs 2 million dead Japanese but defeats Japan's army in Mainland East Asia, and regains Eastern coast, Manchuria, Hainan, and Taiwan.


15 MILLION Chinese died during WWII?
That's really interesting. I never knew that.
3 posted on 05/28/2003 9:26:03 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE; Sparta
History bump1
4 posted on 05/28/2003 9:27:36 PM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline is umop apisdn)
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To: sphinx; Toirdhealbheach Beucail; curmudgeonII; roderick; Notforprophet; river rat; csvset; ...
Great Powers military timeline ping

If you want on or off the Western Civilization Military History ping list, let me know.
5 posted on 05/28/2003 9:27:49 PM PDT by Sparta
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
If it weren't for us, the Brits would be batting close to 1.000 for about the last 1,000 years.
6 posted on 05/28/2003 9:28:25 PM PDT by July 4th
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History bump1

I was pinging the list when you were typing it :)

7 posted on 05/28/2003 9:28:36 PM PDT by Sparta
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LOL Great minds...
8 posted on 05/28/2003 9:30:45 PM PDT by SAMWolf (This tagline is umop apisdn)
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To: freedom44

15 MILLION Chinese died during WWII? That's really interesting. I never knew that.

The Sino-Japanese War of 1933?-1945 (aka WWII in the Pacific) was probably one of the most savage wars in the 20th century, if not the most savage. I've actually heard the death toll for the Chinese to be a little higher.(Around 20 million)

9 posted on 05/28/2003 9:31:00 PM PDT by Sparta
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Where's us?
10 posted on 05/28/2003 9:31:42 PM PDT by Krafty123
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1689 AD French And Indian Wars- Won British forces crushed the French defense in Canada and took over Montreal

Whaaa.... Thought the French and Indian War was in the 1750's. I had an ancestor who served. George Washington did, too.

French Canada fell to General Wolfe on the battlefield at the Plains of Abraham, Sept 13, 1759.

1689, now that might be King William's War, when England won Nova Scotia and sent the Acadians (Cajuns) packing to Louisiana. A war against the French, but not the French and Indian War.

-ccm

11 posted on 05/28/2003 9:33:23 PM PDT by ccmay
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Sparta,

I'd heard of it, but wasn't aware of the vast number of deaths related to this tragic war.

Based on the lead i'll be checking more into it. thanks
12 posted on 05/28/2003 9:34:30 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
What's interesting to note is that virtually all of these battles have been West vs. West or East Vs. East, rarely ever the West vs. the East.

13 posted on 05/28/2003 9:36:16 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: AriOxman
Well, there isn't too much to write about for the first 1600 hundred years of our history. What am I suppose to put down, the various stone-age conflicts of the native americans?
15 posted on 05/28/2003 9:59:27 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
Put us under a sub-heading of Britain.
16 posted on 05/28/2003 10:01:27 PM PDT by Krafty123
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But would that not neglect the contributions of other cultures within the U.S aside from the Anglo-Saxon one?
17 posted on 05/28/2003 10:05:34 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: freedom44
Seems to me that the only time East vs West wars happened was through some kind of invasion involving Nomadic tribes in Central Asia, and the only real West vs East conflicts are found during the 19th century when the West industrialized and the East mostly did not.
18 posted on 05/28/2003 10:07:16 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: July 4th; NP-INCOMPLETE
1878-1880 Afghans defeat British. This one was left out of the list. So I guess it was both the Americans and the Afghans that beat the British.
19 posted on 05/28/2003 10:10:51 PM PDT by JeepInMazar (www.answering-islam.org)
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To: AriOxman
Where's us?

All your grammer and history are belong to us.

20 posted on 05/28/2003 10:12:33 PM PDT by JeepInMazar (www.answering-islam.org)
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To: JeepInMazar
Good point the afghan campaigns. But the brits never really took control of Afghanistan, the wars were more a series of aborted invasions and no real full scale battles.
21 posted on 05/28/2003 10:13:53 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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600 AD Anglo-Saxon Invasion- Won Celts eliminated by modern inhabitants of Britain(Legend of Arthur born of that era).

Article posted on FR a few days ago about a recent DNA study revealed that modern inhabitants of the British Isles are overwhelmingly Celtic and there's surprisingly little Anglo-Saxon DNA present.

So they weren't eliminated. Big difference between conquered and eliminated. It now seems the Anglo-Saxon invasion was like the Normans, a very small elite that came in and took over, not a mass migration.

22 posted on 05/28/2003 10:20:36 PM PDT by John H K
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1337 AD Hundred Years War- Won (Mostly) English Longbowmen slaughtered the French nobility in a series of one-sided battles. War ended with the English in control of Normandy and Castile.

Indisputably LOST by the English, even though they won all the big battles, interestingly.

They began the war controlling most of France and France was a small and weak state, and at the end they controlled very little of France and France had become quite powerful.

Castile is the central province of Spain, not France, and I don't believe the British ever controlled it in this war. Did you mean some pother province?

23 posted on 05/28/2003 10:23:21 PM PDT by John H K
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Remember, Castile wasn't part of Spain in that Spain itself wasn't a unified nation. It was a collection of feudal christian states and muslim moorish states. In fact, that area was in dispute by both the French and English nobility of the time.
24 posted on 05/28/2003 10:25:04 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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1812 AD War of 1812- Lost, British again defeated by their own colonists.

IMHO this war was won by Britain; at best, it was a draw. In no way, shape, or form did America win.

The main reason the war was started was so we could conquer Canada. (Forget all that business about impressing sailors and whatnot...that was the cover story. And the British actually gave in on those demands prior to us declaring war, though we didn't find out about it till after we declared war.)

We failed completely in Conquering Canada, our main war aim. Hence, we lost.

For obvious reasons the victories of the Constitution and other frigates, the Battle of Lake Erie, and the Battle of New Orleans, are emphasized in the US, while the battles of Bladensburg and a lot of really embarassing US losses on the Canadian border (most of the fighting in the war was on this border) are not mentioned much if at all. Even the burning of Washington doesn't get all that much play.

25 posted on 05/28/2003 10:27:40 PM PDT by John H K
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To: Sparta; freedom44; enfield
Re: Sino-Japanese War

From the Democide statistics summary page, here:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM
it appears that R.J. Rummel estimate the Chinese deaths at around 6 million caused by the Japanese, around 10 million caused by the KMT keeping power, around 3.5 million caused by the ChiComs, and another 900,000 by various warlords.

However, if you look at his details page, here:
http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.TAB16A.1.GIF
there are low, middle, and high range estimates for deaths. From a quick look, it appears that the sum of the high-range estimates for China in this period (roughly 1928-1949) would yield around 40 million. Then pile on another 100 million for the communists 1949-1987.

This is a very useful page to have handy when debating Leftists as to the evil of Communists.
26 posted on 05/29/2003 3:31:09 AM PDT by FreedomPoster
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
Thanks very much for the history.
27 posted on 05/29/2003 4:19:38 AM PDT by PGalt
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Interesting thought....WAY too many errors!

Major errors. Seriesly. Hugh ones. ;^)
28 posted on 05/29/2003 7:29:41 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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1240 AD Mongol Invasion of Novogrod- Lost Mongels proceeded to defeat the state of Novogrod, thus consolidating Western Russia along with the eastern portion into the Kahnate of the Golden Horde. About 40% of entire population of European Russia killed due to Mongol invasions.

Not correct, Novograd never fell to Mongols, swamps melted and horde turned south to Kiev. After Catholics betray Orthodox by sending first Lithuanians (defeated on Nevo river) then Tuetonics, Saint Prince Alexander Nevski allied with Mongols against Catholics.

PS: missed the whole Russian Kieven wars against Kazars (won) against Constintinople (won) against various barbaric nomads (upto Mongols) won.

29 posted on 05/29/2003 9:55:23 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: July 4th
Well if not for US in WW1 and WW2 England would loose.
30 posted on 05/29/2003 11:49:55 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: JeepInMazar
Don't forget Sudanese defeated british. Also initial Zulu wars defeated British.
31 posted on 05/29/2003 11:52:32 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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1899 AD Anglo-Boer War- Won British forces slaughtered the Dutch settlers and took control of Rhodesia and the northern portion of South Africa.

There were two Boer wars...first not victory.

32 posted on 05/29/2003 11:53:37 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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1887 AD Sino-Russian War-Lost Russia took most of Siberia

Most Siberia never in Chinese hands...only SE Siberia, north of Manchuria.

33 posted on 05/29/2003 11:54:31 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
cira 300 AD proto-Scots (Irish) invade and exterminate Picts in Pictland..aka Scotland.
34 posted on 05/29/2003 11:55:42 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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1793 AD Napoleonic Wars- Won, Duke of Wellington destroyed Napoleon's armies at the Battle of Warterloo.

That was second Napoleonic Wars, first defeated by Russia. Russian occupation of Paris.

35 posted on 05/29/2003 11:56:52 AM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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If I have not read incorrectly, SE siberia is a landmass greater than the size of western Europe, not an insignificant piece of territory to gain from a war.
36 posted on 05/29/2003 11:59:57 AM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: RussianConservative
One 1 boer war, it was a series of fairly pitched battles though. But the brits definitely won in the end.
37 posted on 05/29/2003 12:01:20 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
True, but most Chinese presence very limited to a few forts and trade posts. Most locals happy when Cossaks arrived to drive out Chinese and entered Russian empire willingly...Cossaks left the alone and intermarried...Chinese treat them as subhuman.
38 posted on 05/29/2003 12:01:28 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
There was only 1 battle in the Zulu war in which the brits were defeated. One victorious battle does not a make a victorious war.
39 posted on 05/29/2003 12:02:28 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
The Boer Wars was the name given to the South African Wars of 1880-1 and 1899-1902, that were fought between the British and the descendants of the Dutch settlers (Boers) in Africa. After the first Boer War William Gladstone granted the Boers self-government in the Transvaal
40 posted on 05/29/2003 12:03:10 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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In the timespan of twenty years, the Brits did acheive their objective of driving out the Boers from South Africa, I call that a Victory. Similiarily, Britain's wars a against India, all of three of them, resulted eventually in India's colonization, but the first two were failures. Still, it does not change the end result of the conflicts.
41 posted on 05/29/2003 12:08:44 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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The Netherlands and England were both great maritime nations and it was inevitable that a conflict would arise between then. There were three Anglo-Dutch Wars. The first from 1652 to 1654, the second from 1664 to 1667 and the third from 1672-1674. It was the end of the second war that gave the British New Amsterdam (which became, of course, New York). The Third Anglo-Dutch War was part of the Franco-Dutch War (1672-1674), waged by Louis XIV of France who sought control of the Spanish Netherlands.

First two British won, last British/French alliance defeated by Netherlands/Spanish alliance.

42 posted on 05/29/2003 12:09:12 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: NP-INCOMPLETE
But if you look over long period why not look even longer where Britian not in India now? In that Britian lost. Each war must be taken seperate in this case not clumped into trends...historic trends not time line or accounting of wars.
43 posted on 05/29/2003 12:10:55 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Not correct, Novograd never fell to Mongols

Novograd was not physically destroyed, but it did pay tribute for to the mongols for the next 200 years after the war. So I coun't that as a loss

44 posted on 05/29/2003 12:12:59 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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1854 AD Crimean War- Lost Britain wins a land war against Russia and takes over the Crimean region and Svestapol from the Russian Empire

Not lost not won...draw. Treaty signed so Tsar gives up land in Balkins to Ottomans. Svestapol was British occupied not taken. Returned with peace.

45 posted on 05/29/2003 12:13:33 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: RussianConservative
Wars in rapid succession, one after the other, against a common enemy can be lumped in as tactics of a greater war. Ex. Napoleonic wars. But political and other non-military trends, such as Ghandi's non-violence movement that liberated India from Britain, cannot be lumped into any sequence of wars.
46 posted on 05/29/2003 12:14:35 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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1938 AD World War II- Won 37 million Russian dead versus 8 million German dead. Russia takes control of Eastern Europe, East Germany

Not true. 20 million civilians killed by German, 8 million Russian troops killed vs 6 million German troops....unknown German civilians casualties...but much less since we did not exterminate them.

47 posted on 05/29/2003 12:15:16 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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Program on the History Channel the other night stated that Novogrod was destroyed by the Huns. Don't remember which invasion it was but right before Muscovy rose to dominance.
48 posted on 05/29/2003 12:16:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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You forgot to include those not killed by the Germans. You know, deaths from starvation, disease, Stalin's purges even during WWII.
49 posted on 05/29/2003 12:16:34 PM PDT by NP-INCOMPLETE
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1922 British defeated in Ireland...Irish independence.
50 posted on 05/29/2003 12:16:56 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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