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Philadelphia Council Flouts Scouts' Antigay Stance
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | May 29,2003 | By Linda K. Harris and Miriam Hill

Posted on 05/29/2003 6:26:27 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

Phila. council flouts Scouts' antigay stance
A new policy on sexuality is likely to bring discussion as the national convention starts here.

Inquirer Staff Writers

Defying the national Boy Scouts policy of refusing membership to gays, the board of the Scouts' largest Philadelphia-area council has unanimously voted not to discriminate against homosexuals.

The decision puts the local council at odds with the national organization, which holds that homosexuality is inconsistent with the traditional moral values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law.

But the Cradle of Liberty Council, the nation's third largest - serving 87,000 youths in Philadelphia, Delaware and Montgomery Counties - this month added "sexual orientation" to its policy of nondiscrimination.

The conflict between the national and local organizations is sure to spark discussion at the National Convention of the Boy Scouts of America, which begins today at the Convention Center and continues through Saturday.

"We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council. "That's why we're working on a solution that works for everyone."

No one at the national office of the Boy Scouts of America in Texas could be reached for comment late yesterday.

In June 2000, a divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled, in the case of a New Jersey assistant scoutmaster who was expelled for being gay, that the Boy Scouts had the right to bar homosexuals as troop leaders.

The national Boy Scouts of America issued a statement saying it viewed the decision as a victory.

Lipson said that national policy hurt fund-raising and cost jobs locally. The Pew Charitable Trusts, among others, reduced its contribution, he said, though he did not say how much it had given to the local Boy Scouts.

No one at Pew was available to comment.

Although the United Way did not cut funding, it took heat from gay-rights activists and others. The agency funded a development program organized by the Boy Scouts that operated in public schools and was open to anyone. Even the limited funding caused problems.

"The reality is, we did get some pressure from other groups who said, 'This program may not discriminate, but this organization does,' " said Christine James-Brown, president of the United Way of Southeastern Pennsylvania.

The United Way served as a catalyst. Two years ago, the agency's representatives - along with local Boy Scout executives and community leaders, including gay and lesbian activists - began to meet to discuss the issue.

The statement issued this month by the Cradle of Liberty Council was a result of those discussions.

David L. Cohen, a Comcast executive who was chairman of the local United Way from May 1998 to 2001, was a participant. Cohen said that Philadelphia leaders decided they did not want to accept a policy that they did not agree with and that was harming the programs intended for area youths.

"We were not prepared to allow our kids to be casualties on the battlefield of adults who should know better," Cohen said.

James-Brown said the local United Way campaign spent a lot of time trying to understand the national policy.

"In the very beginning, people knew very little about why the national had that policy," James-Brown said. "There was anger about the policy. I think people set that aside and said, 'Let's try to make it work in this community.' "

Lipson said he did not want the gay-discrimination controversy to overshadow the many good programs the Boy Scouts offer.

"We'd like to move the discussion to standards for sexual conduct rather than sexual orientation," Lipson said.

Philadelphia's is not the first regional council to flout the controversial policies of the national Boy Scouts organization, or to have suffered consequences from the national policy.

In July 2001, the Boston Minuteman Council approved a bylaw that challenged the national council's policy. The rule effectively allows gay youths to be scouts and gay men to serve as scout leaders as long as they do not openly reveal or discuss their sexual orientation.

In December 2001, United Way boards in Ventura and Los Angeles Counties in California cut off funding to the local Boy Scout councils because of the national policy about gays.



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To: SandRat
The other thing too is how will this affect the BSA's liability insurance. See my earlier post about the Catholic Church.
21 posted on 05/29/2003 7:24:07 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Tribune7
Read too fast. Cradle of Liberty Council not VF. Very sorry VF
22 posted on 05/29/2003 7:26:19 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Didn't that famous homosexual, Elton John, set this in motion years ago with his song "Philadelphia Freedom"?

BSA needs to dissolve this council and move the boys to a less radical group. Why put up with this crap? Or should they go ahead and drill glory holes in the camp showers?
23 posted on 05/29/2003 7:27:39 AM PDT by whereasandsoforth
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To: whereasandsoforth
The BSA is actually a multitude of complicated organizations. First, the professional organization hires and fires Council Execs, who are employees of the Boy Scouts of America. If The Council Exec made this decision, then he or she is history. More than likely it was the council executive board, which are community volunteers, that made this decision. If so, then there is not much that the national office can do about it immediately. Although in the long run, the concil exec can replace those board members who are pro gay. The article is unclear about who actually made this decision, but I would guess that a local politician who is a council board member was involved. In such case the local politician will not be asked to continue hes/her service on the board. The term for board members is usually one year. Meanwhile, the local politician has picked up some brownie points from the gay community.

However, the council office does not appoint Scoutmasters, gay or otherwize. Scoutmasters are appointed by each individual troop and their sponsoring organization, with the approval of the council office and the national office.

In the case of a gay Scoutmaster, the national office can refuse that person membership in the Boy Scouts of America, which means that any scout troop which appoints a scoutmaster who is not approved is no longer a "Boy Scout Troop."

In any event, those folks who are concerned about gay scoutmasters should get involved locally at the Boy Scout Troop level. It is the troop who recommends to the sponsoring organization who is a scoutmaster or assistant scoutmaster.

24 posted on 05/29/2003 7:51:36 AM PDT by FLAUSA
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To: Owl_Eagle
"... and this, Billy, is how we start a fire by rubbing two Cub Scouts together..."
25 posted on 05/29/2003 8:22:23 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("This is how six-year-olds argue: they call everything 'stupid'." --Coulter, on liberals)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Good Afternoon, Owl_Eagle,

No you're not alone. I earned my Eagle and 2 palms back in the late 50's early 60's. This was back when we actually had a Valley Forge Council.

Now, here's the problem. How can the Philadelphia Council take a non-discriminatory policy against homosexuals considering first and foremost, the Scout Oath???

Unless they have removed the phrase "Morally Straight", it flies in the face of reason.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

26 posted on 05/29/2003 10:28:05 AM PDT by gwmoore (As the Russian manual for the Nagant Revolver states: "Target Practice: "at the deserter, FIRE")
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To: Owl_Eagle
So it really is the city of brotherly love.
27 posted on 05/29/2003 1:56:46 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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To: FLAUSA
Thanks for your wonderful explanation,it makes things a little easier to understand.
28 posted on 05/29/2003 2:02:07 PM PDT by Mears (.)
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To: Mamzelle
You'd think at least the homosexual lobby wouldn't want to attract that kind of attention to themselves

Homosexuals aren't born, they're made and teenage boys are the primary targets of homosexual recruiting efforts.

29 posted on 05/29/2003 5:04:26 PM PDT by DaBroasta (GRID will eventually cure homosexuality)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Thanks for this info Owl_Eagle.
30 posted on 05/29/2003 5:10:28 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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To: RonF; Coleus
Back Sliding Ping!
31 posted on 05/29/2003 5:12:47 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: *bsa_list; Clint N. Suhks; Polycarp; fatima; Doctor Raoul; P.O.E.; *Homosexual Agenda
They sold their soul to the Devil just for financial contributions from the United Way and corporations. I think many moral people will stop contributing.

http://www.scouting.org/media/press/020206/index.html

http://www.scouting.org/media/values/fact.html

http://www.scouting.org/media/values/points.html

http://www.scouting.org/media/values/bedrock.html

http://www.scouting.org/media/values/newsletter/0101/americanlegion.html
32 posted on 05/29/2003 5:36:33 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
This appears to be the link to the
Philly Council of the BSA Page >>>
http://www.colbsa.org/

.....THUNDER......

33 posted on 05/29/2003 6:08:08 PM PDT by THUNDER ROAD
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To: THUNDER ROAD
Thanks....E-Mail them here

http://www.colbsa.org/staff%20list%20101001.htm

http://www.colbsa.org/Contacts.htm
34 posted on 05/29/2003 6:13:02 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight)
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To: Coleus
Well... I did E-mail them ,
and quite a good letter it was
but I just got all I sent, back...just now
as Undeliverable Mail !

They Neeed a Good Freepin' !
so I'll keep lookin' for a Legitimate Link
for E mail to them

.....THUNDER......

35 posted on 05/29/2003 6:25:17 PM PDT by THUNDER ROAD
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To: THUNDER ROAD
They've probably shut down their server from the backlash; I'm sure we aren't the only ones writing them. I just e mailed the article and web link out to my friends.
36 posted on 05/29/2003 6:29:57 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"We were not prepared to allow our kids to be casualties on the battlefield of adults who should know better," Cohen said.

"I am not prepared to allow my child to be a casualty to a buttshark leader in your council, Mr. Cohen," Mr. Tull said.

37 posted on 05/29/2003 6:39:17 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep the Shiny Side UP!)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a sodomite taking my son out on an overnight camping trip.

It's really sad. Hopefully, parents can take turns chaperoning all Boy Scout activities.

38 posted on 05/29/2003 7:54:20 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: Owl_Eagle
Wel, this is a bit of a sidebar, but it goes to the reliability of the reporter:

In July 2001, the Boston Minuteman Council approved a bylaw that challenged the national council's policy. The rule effectively allows gay youths to be scouts and gay men to serve as scout leaders as long as they do not openly reveal or discuss their sexual orientation.

Ahh, no, in fact this is "Don't ask, don't tell", and it's precisely in line with National policy. You can be gay and a Scout or Scouter, as long as you don't discuss your orientation.

39 posted on 05/29/2003 8:17:12 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF; Coleus
You can be gay and a Scout or Scouter, as long as you don't discuss your orientation.

You can be a bestial Scout or Scouter, as long as you don't discuss your orientation too. It doesn’t mean you’re serving honorably OR legally in the BSA, remember Scalia in the Dale case found the BSA doesn’t seek out ax murderers either.

Don't ask, don't tell is something you and the other pro-homosexuals made up out of whole cloth...or maybe you can cite that regulation for us, OK?

40 posted on 05/29/2003 8:42:44 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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