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Philadelphia Council Flouts Scouts' Antigay Stance
Philadelphia Inquirer ^ | May 29,2003 | By Linda K. Harris and Miriam Hill

Posted on 05/29/2003 6:26:27 AM PDT by South Hawthorne

Phila. council flouts Scouts' antigay stance
A new policy on sexuality is likely to bring discussion as the national convention starts here.

Inquirer Staff Writers

Defying the national Boy Scouts policy of refusing membership to gays, the board of the Scouts' largest Philadelphia-area council has unanimously voted not to discriminate against homosexuals.

The decision puts the local council at odds with the national organization, which holds that homosexuality is inconsistent with the traditional moral values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law.

But the Cradle of Liberty Council, the nation's third largest - serving 87,000 youths in Philadelphia, Delaware and Montgomery Counties - this month added "sexual orientation" to its policy of nondiscrimination.

The conflict between the national and local organizations is sure to spark discussion at the National Convention of the Boy Scouts of America, which begins today at the Convention Center and continues through Saturday.

"We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council. "That's why we're working on a solution that works for everyone."

No one at the national office of the Boy Scouts of America in Texas could be reached for comment late yesterday.

In June 2000, a divided U.S. Supreme Court ruled, in the case of a New Jersey assistant scoutmaster who was expelled for being gay, that the Boy Scouts had the right to bar homosexuals as troop leaders.

The national Boy Scouts of America issued a statement saying it viewed the decision as a victory.

Lipson said that national policy hurt fund-raising and cost jobs locally. The Pew Charitable Trusts, among others, reduced its contribution, he said, though he did not say how much it had given to the local Boy Scouts.

No one at Pew was available to comment.

Although the United Way did not cut funding, it took heat from gay-rights activists and others. The agency funded a development program organized by the Boy Scouts that operated in public schools and was open to anyone. Even the limited funding caused problems.

"The reality is, we did get some pressure from other groups who said, 'This program may not discriminate, but this organization does,' " said Christine James-Brown, president of the United Way of Southeastern Pennsylvania.

The United Way served as a catalyst. Two years ago, the agency's representatives - along with local Boy Scout executives and community leaders, including gay and lesbian activists - began to meet to discuss the issue.

The statement issued this month by the Cradle of Liberty Council was a result of those discussions.

David L. Cohen, a Comcast executive who was chairman of the local United Way from May 1998 to 2001, was a participant. Cohen said that Philadelphia leaders decided they did not want to accept a policy that they did not agree with and that was harming the programs intended for area youths.

"We were not prepared to allow our kids to be casualties on the battlefield of adults who should know better," Cohen said.

James-Brown said the local United Way campaign spent a lot of time trying to understand the national policy.

"In the very beginning, people knew very little about why the national had that policy," James-Brown said. "There was anger about the policy. I think people set that aside and said, 'Let's try to make it work in this community.' "

Lipson said he did not want the gay-discrimination controversy to overshadow the many good programs the Boy Scouts offer.

"We'd like to move the discussion to standards for sexual conduct rather than sexual orientation," Lipson said.

Philadelphia's is not the first regional council to flout the controversial policies of the national Boy Scouts organization, or to have suffered consequences from the national policy.

In July 2001, the Boston Minuteman Council approved a bylaw that challenged the national council's policy. The rule effectively allows gay youths to be scouts and gay men to serve as scout leaders as long as they do not openly reveal or discuss their sexual orientation.

In December 2001, United Way boards in Ventura and Los Angeles Counties in California cut off funding to the local Boy Scout councils because of the national policy about gays.



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I guess I must be some kind of a horrible gay hating bigot that I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a sodomite taking my son out on an overnight camping trip.
 
I mean, everything worked out great when the homosexuals infiltrated The Catholic Church, right?  Just a coincidence that every time I hear about a victim of a Priest's child molesting, it's always a male, I'm sure.
 
Why must I be so closed minded?

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

1 posted on 05/29/2003 6:26:27 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: AGreatPer; Dr. Scarpetta; GregB; GEC; jz638; GoldenIceLion; silver fox two; gwmoore; Temple Owl; ...
PA Ping
 
Low volume (and probably way out of date from the elections) PA list.  Please let me know if you'd like on or need off.
 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

2 posted on 05/29/2003 6:29:20 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (There is still time for endurance, time for patience, time for healing, time for change. -St. Basil)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Bump to the horrible gay hating bigot megadittos! There is no way I would allow a child of mine to go on an overnight with a sodomite.
3 posted on 05/29/2003 6:31:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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To: Owl_Eagle
""We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council. "That's why we're working on a solution that works for everyone."

The good people of Philadelphia need to terminate Mr. Lipson and his cohorts ASAP. These Leftist moles are in deep in all sorts of institutions and live for the opportunity to inject their dogma into the creeds and policies of traditional institutions like Scouting.

RX: Identify them, isolate them, excoriate them, cut them out of the institution, and eject them like sputum.

4 posted on 05/29/2003 6:34:44 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
It is so sick that the Boy Scouts have become a focus for the homosexual lobby. You'd think at least the homosexual lobby wouldn't want to attract that kind of attention to themselves--obsession with being in charge of little boys...
5 posted on 05/29/2003 6:37:01 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
I feel sorry for what is soon to be the first victim of these idiots. Some innocent little boy who trusts adults will be assulted and everyone will act surprised that it happened. What in the hell is wrong with these people?
6 posted on 05/29/2003 6:45:09 AM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Mamzelle
They're doing it because they are confident of their ability to push the agenda which includes pederasty. The BSA organisation is doubly important as a target because it pushes mainstream traditional values and because it is a sodomite's dream. If they succeed, another pillar of society is gone.

In some ways, these assaults are like barometers of the condidence (or foolishness) of the Left. We know they seek destruction of Western culture and Judeo-Christian values, but the attacks they launch and the targets they choose communicate a great deal of their underlying strategic thinking.

This is a battle that has much of the cultural sympathy going against the Left. A conservative shift in American culture puts odds in our favor. If Scouting and its interested supporters fight back, these creatures cannot survive exposure to air and sunlight for long.
7 posted on 05/29/2003 6:46:32 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
The good people of Philadelphia need to terminate Mr. Lipson
 
Just an FYI to Delaware Valley Freepers, Mr. Lipson is the Publisher of Philadelphia Magazine.  Purchasing that garbage directly funds Lipson and his morally corrupt agenda.
 
(There's better ways to learn about the wonders of plastic surgery and million dollar interior decorating makeovers anyway.)

 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

8 posted on 05/29/2003 6:48:08 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (There is still time for endurance, time for patience, time for healing, time for change. -St. Basil)
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To: Owl_Eagle
"The national Boy Scouts of America issued a statement saying it viewed the (2000 N.J.) decision as a victory."

And I am certain that N.A.M.B.L.A. views this local decision as a victory.

9 posted on 05/29/2003 6:50:25 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Any government that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on Paul's vote' - G. B. Shaw (mod.))
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To: Owl_Eagle
The whole problem is is that the moral majority, which I believe is a majority, sits back and allows minority groups to whine. If the Christian Coalition and other opposing groups would get off their asses, round up millions of voices, nothing will change it is up to all of us.
10 posted on 05/29/2003 6:51:48 AM PDT by TonyWojo
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To: Owl_Eagle
"We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council.

I wonder what Mr. Lipson will say when a rash of predators strike in his council. I see the death of the council in this action.
11 posted on 05/29/2003 6:51:50 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Mamzelle
You'd think at least the homosexual lobby wouldn't want to attract that kind of attention to themselves--obsession with being in charge of little boys...

...That's the militants main goal! Militant Homo's want for people to believe that the lifestyle is normal, and therefore they should not be excluded from any activity. It goes along with their selfish attitude towards everything in life.

These are pervertedly sickminded people, trapped into a mindset of expedience.

12 posted on 05/29/2003 6:53:15 AM PDT by sirchtruth
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To: Michael.SF.
May I suggest a slogan for the pro-Scouting people of Philadelphia?

"HANDS-OFF, MR. LIPS-ON!"
13 posted on 05/29/2003 6:54:32 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Frumious Bandersnatch
I wonder what Mr. Lipson will say when a rash of predators strike in his council

Easy! "These attacks are caused by our intolerant society. We need to establish re-education camps where young heterosexuals can live in close proximity with homosexual men. In this way, the young heterosexuals will learn the errors of their ways and will not grow up to be closeted homosexuals who are uncomfortable with their own sexuality."

14 posted on 05/29/2003 7:00:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy
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To: TonyWojo
.... the moral majority .... Christian Coalition ...



I find it interesting that I've heard of more child abuse in the church than in the boy scouts.
15 posted on 05/29/2003 7:04:17 AM PDT by KCmark (I am NOT a partisan.)
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To: ClearCase_guy
Only thing you left out was either "Seig Heil" or "Comrade", depending on your political orientation. But you are right with the council - they are and will be totally clueless.
16 posted on 05/29/2003 7:07:30 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Owl_Eagle
They will be sorry!
17 posted on 05/29/2003 7:09:49 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Owl_Eagle
The 'Cradle of Liberty Council' had better keep its eye on the 'cradle-robbers'.

What nutless wankers these Philadelphia 'Scout Leaders' must be!
18 posted on 05/29/2003 7:13:41 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: Owl_Eagle
Time for a PA FREEP as that would do the best at national headquarters level.

This Council is out of control and their executive board is worse. For all of you PA FR each council has a web page and on that you can find the contact information for the paid scouters at council. It would be well worth your effort to send them email or snail-mail to express your disgust and at the same time send snail-mail to the national headquarters expressing your disgust at this council's behavior. Just might get them taken to the wood-shed by national headquarters. The national headquarters has a web site with contact information for sanil-mail but I don't remember it.

19 posted on 05/29/2003 7:19:08 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Owl_Eagle
I must be some kind of a horrible gay hating bigot that I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a sodomite taking my son out on an overnight camping trip.

Didn't the Catholic Church adopt a policy similar to the Valley Forge Council's a few years back? Wonder how that worked out?

20 posted on 05/29/2003 7:23:15 AM PDT by Tribune7
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