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I guess I must be some kind of a horrible gay hating bigot that I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a sodomite taking my son out on an overnight camping trip.
 
I mean, everything worked out great when the homosexuals infiltrated The Catholic Church, right?  Just a coincidence that every time I hear about a victim of a Priest's child molesting, it's always a male, I'm sure.
 
Why must I be so closed minded?

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

1 posted on 05/29/2003 6:26:27 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: AGreatPer; Dr. Scarpetta; GregB; GEC; jz638; GoldenIceLion; silver fox two; gwmoore; Temple Owl; ...
PA Ping
 
Low volume (and probably way out of date from the elections) PA list.  Please let me know if you'd like on or need off.
 

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

2 posted on 05/29/2003 6:29:20 AM PDT by South Hawthorne (There is still time for endurance, time for patience, time for healing, time for change. -St. Basil)
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To: Owl_Eagle
Bump to the horrible gay hating bigot megadittos! There is no way I would allow a child of mine to go on an overnight with a sodomite.
3 posted on 05/29/2003 6:31:39 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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""We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council. "That's why we're working on a solution that works for everyone."

The good people of Philadelphia need to terminate Mr. Lipson and his cohorts ASAP. These Leftist moles are in deep in all sorts of institutions and live for the opportunity to inject their dogma into the creeds and policies of traditional institutions like Scouting.

RX: Identify them, isolate them, excoriate them, cut them out of the institution, and eject them like sputum.

4 posted on 05/29/2003 6:34:44 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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It is so sick that the Boy Scouts have become a focus for the homosexual lobby. You'd think at least the homosexual lobby wouldn't want to attract that kind of attention to themselves--obsession with being in charge of little boys...
5 posted on 05/29/2003 6:37:01 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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"The national Boy Scouts of America issued a statement saying it viewed the (2000 N.J.) decision as a victory."

And I am certain that N.A.M.B.L.A. views this local decision as a victory.

9 posted on 05/29/2003 6:50:25 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Any government that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on Paul's vote' - G. B. Shaw (mod.))
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"We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council.

I wonder what Mr. Lipson will say when a rash of predators strike in his council. I see the death of the council in this action.
11 posted on 05/29/2003 6:51:50 AM PDT by Frumious Bandersnatch
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To: Owl_Eagle
They will be sorry!
17 posted on 05/29/2003 7:09:49 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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The 'Cradle of Liberty Council' had better keep its eye on the 'cradle-robbers'.

What nutless wankers these Philadelphia 'Scout Leaders' must be!
18 posted on 05/29/2003 7:13:41 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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Time for a PA FREEP as that would do the best at national headquarters level.

This Council is out of control and their executive board is worse. For all of you PA FR each council has a web page and on that you can find the contact information for the paid scouters at council. It would be well worth your effort to send them email or snail-mail to express your disgust and at the same time send snail-mail to the national headquarters expressing your disgust at this council's behavior. Just might get them taken to the wood-shed by national headquarters. The national headquarters has a web site with contact information for sanil-mail but I don't remember it.

19 posted on 05/29/2003 7:19:08 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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I must be some kind of a horrible gay hating bigot that I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a sodomite taking my son out on an overnight camping trip.

Didn't the Catholic Church adopt a policy similar to the Valley Forge Council's a few years back? Wonder how that worked out?

20 posted on 05/29/2003 7:23:15 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Owl_Eagle
"... and this, Billy, is how we start a fire by rubbing two Cub Scouts together..."
25 posted on 05/29/2003 8:22:23 AM PDT by KentTrappedInLiberalSeattle ("This is how six-year-olds argue: they call everything 'stupid'." --Coulter, on liberals)
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Good Afternoon, Owl_Eagle,

No you're not alone. I earned my Eagle and 2 palms back in the late 50's early 60's. This was back when we actually had a Valley Forge Council.

Now, here's the problem. How can the Philadelphia Council take a non-discriminatory policy against homosexuals considering first and foremost, the Scout Oath???

Unless they have removed the phrase "Morally Straight", it flies in the face of reason.

Keep the Faith for Freedom

Greg

26 posted on 05/29/2003 10:28:05 AM PDT by gwmoore (As the Russian manual for the Nagant Revolver states: "Target Practice: "at the deserter, FIRE")
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So it really is the city of brotherly love.
27 posted on 05/29/2003 1:56:46 PM PDT by AdamSelene235 (Like all the jolly good fellows, I drink my whiskey clear....)
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Thanks for this info Owl_Eagle.
30 posted on 05/29/2003 5:10:28 PM PDT by fatima (Go Karen,Look at all these's prayers.For all our troops,we love you.)
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To: RonF; Coleus
Back Sliding Ping!
31 posted on 05/29/2003 5:12:47 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Owl_Eagle
"We were not prepared to allow our kids to be casualties on the battlefield of adults who should know better," Cohen said.

"I am not prepared to allow my child to be a casualty to a buttshark leader in your council, Mr. Cohen," Mr. Tull said.

37 posted on 05/29/2003 6:39:17 PM PDT by j_tull (Keep the Shiny Side UP!)
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I don't get a warm and fuzzy feeling about a sodomite taking my son out on an overnight camping trip.

It's really sad. Hopefully, parents can take turns chaperoning all Boy Scout activities.

38 posted on 05/29/2003 7:54:20 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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Wel, this is a bit of a sidebar, but it goes to the reliability of the reporter:

In July 2001, the Boston Minuteman Council approved a bylaw that challenged the national council's policy. The rule effectively allows gay youths to be scouts and gay men to serve as scout leaders as long as they do not openly reveal or discuss their sexual orientation.

Ahh, no, in fact this is "Don't ask, don't tell", and it's precisely in line with National policy. You can be gay and a Scout or Scouter, as long as you don't discuss your orientation.

39 posted on 05/29/2003 8:17:12 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Owl_Eagle; whereasandsoforth; FLAUSA; gwmoore; Mears; Coleus; THUNDER ROAD; Dr. Scarpetta; ...
A little review for those of you who may not be totally aware of how the BSA is organized:

A local BSA Council is run by the Council's Executive Board. The Board is made up of local businesspeople, community leaders, and usually a few Scouters. Representatives of each organization (churches, VFW Posts, PTA/PTOs, etc.) that sponsors Scout units (Packs, Troops, Crews, Ships) elect the Board members at the Council's annual meeting. These elections are rarely contested; they're usually a slate presented by the previous Board that's elected unanimously. The sponsoring organization representatives are generally not too attentive to this process.

The Council is a not-for-profit corporation; the Executive Board is it's Board of Directors. It's granted a charter (renewable annually) by National Council to operate the BSA program in a particular geographic area. The Council is repsonsible for supporting the sponsoring organizations, signing up new ones, raising money for and supporting Council-wide programs and properties (like the Council's summer camp and headquarters building), etc. To this end the board hires a Council (or Scout) Executive (think Council CEO) and various executive and support staff under him or her. The executives are trained and approved by National, but they are hired and paid by the local Councils.

Units (and their sponsoring organizations) recruit unit leaders. As of April, National conducts a simple background check, to see if you've got any felonies or child-abuse related offenses on your record. But it's the sponsoring organizations who are responsible for determining that a unit leader has the proper character, morality, and patience to work with children, parents, and the unit's other Scouters. The local Council will only get involved if the Scouter becomes publicly infamous for some reason.

A unit and it's sponsor can refuse to register either a Scout or a Scouter for any reason it chooses. A church can require that a Scouter be of it's faith. A VFW Post can decide that it's Troop is getting too big. A PTA can decide that if the parent won't get involved as a volunteer, the kid can't join. Personal hygeine can figure in. A divorced person, or someone living with someone they're not married to, can be judged as being immoral and unfit. A gay or lesbian can only become a unit leader if the sponsor allows it. And if they're not publicly out and make no reference or act to reveal it, especially in a Scouting setting, the Council is unlikely to know, or to do anything about it, given "Don't ask, don't tell".

Regardless of either the morality or fitness of the person who's the unit leader or the tenets of the sponsoring organization, parents would be well advised to get personally involved with their son or daughter's BSA unit. I don't care what you think you know. You never know.

As far as "morally straight" goes, there are numerous sponsoring organizations of units in the BSA that believe that homosexuality per se is not in and of itself immoral. That would include some churches, and numerous secular organizations (who sponsor units containing roughly about half of all Scouts).

What's likely to happen here is that National will ask the Executive Board President (notice that the Scout Executive is nowhere to be heard from; I seriously doubt if he or she asked for this) to explain himself. They'll want to know if this is another variant of "Don't ask, don't tell", or if this means that the Council will accept out homosexuals who will make their orientation and their connection to Scouting public. If that's so, National will look to see if the whole Board agrees with this. If the Board persists, National will threaten to refuse to renew their charter.

What happens next is theoretical, as it hasn't gotten beyond that yet. But they may well solicit another group of concerned citizens, one that will uphold National policy, to apply for a charter and award it to them. Either that, or merge the Council to one that's contiguous to it that is orthodox.

41 posted on 05/29/2003 9:07:05 PM PDT by RonF
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"We disagree with the national stance, and we're not comfortable with the stated national policy," said David H. Lipson Jr., board chairman of the Cradle of Liberty Council. "That's why we're working on a solution that works for everyone."

No, you are working on a solution that works only for a small amount of people, at the expense of the kids. Sick bastrads.

Anybody by chance have some contact info so we could follow Congressman Billybob's suggestion of Freeping the National Boy Scouts and asking them to revoke these sickos' charter?

48 posted on 05/30/2003 3:13:07 AM PDT by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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