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Laci's Unborn Son Had Tape Around Neck and Large Cut on Body
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Posted on 05/29/2003 12:44:47 PM PDT by Mihalis

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:36:25 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Laci Peterson's unborn child was found with one-and-a-half loops of plastic tape wrapped around his neck and a large cut on his body, believed to have come from a knife or some sort of sharp object, an investigation source told Fox News.


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To: Howlin
According to Whorealdo, who claimed to have the Addendum to the autopsy, the baby had a "post-mortem tear". A tear is not a cut, so if he actually had the document, it would seem to limit the possibilities.

I would wonder about a baby's dead body floating around in the bay and being hit by a boat propeller.
51 posted on 05/29/2003 3:46:13 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: mass55th
Heartburn!!!! Remember when the old wives tale was that was the sign that the baby would have a lot of hair? I get heartburn every month. Doesn't matter what I ate, it's hormonal :(

Btw, all but one of the kids were born as bald as billiard balls. The youngest one had so much hair, she got a hair cut at 3 months, so we could see her face. I lived on Mylanta...
52 posted on 05/29/2003 3:47:17 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Howlin
I can't WAIT for the real autopsy to be released. NOT the 10 page Addendum that I think Geragos, bought, paid for and leaked today.

sw

53 posted on 05/29/2003 3:47:29 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Howlin
..thanks for clearing that up.
54 posted on 05/29/2003 3:48:46 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: Howlin
You're kidding, right? Who do you think is leaking all this crap? Geragos!

Ugh. Shades of the OJ trial. Everybody should be gagged, especially Geraldo. Oh boy better not go there, that guy is a pain in my rear...

55 posted on 05/29/2003 3:51:20 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Howlin
hmm..tape around Lacis torso, Scott tried to save the baby and then gave up?
56 posted on 05/29/2003 3:52:37 PM PDT by ewing
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To: spectre; Howlin
I can't WAIT for the real autopsy to be released. NOT the 10 page Addendum that I think Geragos, bought, paid for and leaked today.

Well I hate to say that I'm also extremely curious about the real autopsy report, but I am. This guy Geragos is going to end up screwing his client.

57 posted on 05/29/2003 3:56:31 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Mihalis
Now this is interesting...

Could Scott be innocent after all?

58 posted on 05/29/2003 3:56:56 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: TheSpottedOwl
IMO, they deserve each other.
59 posted on 05/29/2003 3:57:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: ewing
hmm..tape around Lacis torso, Scott tried to save the baby and then gave up?

Well now there's a thought...

60 posted on 05/29/2003 4:00:49 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Howlin
Hehee, I keep getting Geragos and Geraldo mixed up ;-)

Cut from the same cloth...grandstanding media whores.
61 posted on 05/29/2003 4:02:49 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Dan Abrams is now suggesting that it is "difficult" to positively determine if the wounds are "post mortum" or not. (WE knew that).

He also suggests that the bodies could have picked up debris that was wrapped around them.

We're almost back to square one.

Geragos doesn't usually end up getting his clients OFF, does he? :~)

sw

62 posted on 05/29/2003 4:10:59 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Jhoffa_
I may have thought he was innocent when all this info was coming out (slim), but after seeing him in court with that smug "catch me if you can" expression he kept on his face, I am sure he is not. I was aghast with this arrogant demeanor during the entire hearing. If it had been me, I think, I would have looked scared to death.
63 posted on 05/29/2003 4:19:14 PM PDT by JBCiejka
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To: Mihalis

Updated FNC article - with different/new details

Laci Peterson's unborn child was found with one-and-a-half loops of plastic tape wrapped around his neck and a large cut on his body, believed to have come from a knife or some sort of sharp object, an investigation source told Fox News.

The 25-page autopsy report on the fetus, which has been obtained by Fox News, was delivered to prosecutors and defense lawyers for Scott Peterson (search), who is charged with capital murder in the deaths of his 8-months pregnant wife and their unborn son.

Both bodies washed up along the shore of San Francisco Bay (search) in late April.

The DNA results prove conclusively that the child is that of Laci and Scott Peterson.

A source close to the investigation told Fox News that it's possible the baby may have been born before he died.

Previous news reports have said that Laci's womb was intact when her body was found.

But sources say the latest news is subject to debate, since the fetus was in good condition, and his tissue was very soft, indicating that he had been in the water for some time.

The state of the fetus also could indicate that the baby was inside the mother's womb under water and expelled naturally, but now the discovery of the plastic tape around the baby's neck raises questions as to how and why it was there. What was around the unborn child's neck could also be a combination of nylon, twine and plastic, according to the autopsy report.

Sources say it's possible the baby may have been strangled and that it's not likely the tape was placed around the neck after the body was discovered.

They did not rule out that the plastic somehow got wrapped around the baby's neck while he was under water, and that the plastic may have been debris.

The source who found Conner's body told Fox News that the baby appeared to be 33-38 weeks old, pretty close to full term, when he was found.

"The child appeared to be a few days old ... it was entangled in nylon and twine," said the first officer on the scene.

An addendum to the autopsy report says: "One and a half loops of plastic tape are around the neck of the fetus with an extension to a knot near the left shoulder ... an examination of the chest reveals an apparent post-mortem tear exposing the internal surfaces of the right shoulder and the right hemithorax. The wound margins are without evidence of chewing or scalloping."

Chewing or scalloping likely would have been evident if the tear was caused by natural causes.

While looking at a picture of what Conner looked like when found, the source said it appears the child was sliced open and that the wound does not look natural.

Stanislaus County District Attorney James Brazelton responded to the reports Thursday, saying since the autopsy results have been sealed by court order, his office could not verify the accuracy of any media statements.

Brazelton said he will file a motion to withdraw the defense's opposition to the sealing of the autopsy reports in light of the leaking of the autopsy information.

"It continues to be the view of the district attorney that the evidence in this case should be presented in court through the testimony of witnesses and not selectively leaked to the news media by unknown persons whom the press will not identify," said a statement from Brazelton.

Laci's husband, Scott Peterson, has pleaded not guilty in the slayings.

Defense sources have told Fox News they believe a satanic cult (search) may have been involved in Laci's disappearance. A mysterious brown van was seen around the Peterson residence around the time she went missing.

It's thought that the news could be used by Scott Peterson's defense team to bolster its theory that Laci and the fetus were killed in some sort of ritual.

The defense claims that prosecutors don't have any substantial evidence -- such as blood -- to link Peterson to the two deaths.

A prosecution source told Fox News that the autopsy report "has some things that are subject to interpretation, but overall there is nothing in there that triggered us to do another search warrant of Peterson's home, and nothing that shows us that Scott Peterson did not commit this crime."

The source added: "We have not shown our cards yet, there is a lot more evidence than has been reported, with all signs pointing to Scott Peterson."

Sources close to the defense believe the new information will cause the prosecution "grave hesitation" as the case goes forward, maybe even leading to "a dismissal against him."

The exact cause of Laci's and Conner's deaths has been murky thus far.

Bill Ellis, a cult expert from Pennsylvania State University, said the recent developments in the case are completely inconsistent with cult-like behavior.

Cults don't typically target pregnant women, he said, but when they have killed babies, they have never executed them by using a noose or hanging. Historically, babies killed by satanists were cannibalized.

In similar legal cases where the defense team has used a "satanic defense," signs of strangulation or a "noose" have ended up being garbage that caught on the corpse in the water or wherever the body had been left.

Peterson's defense attorney Mark Geragos would not comment on the report. He said Stanislaus County Superior Court Judge Al Girolami, during a closed meeting in his chambers Tuesday, "more than telegraphed that he does not want us commenting on the case."

Girolami had said he was considering a gag order in the case to prevent news leaks.

Fox News' Rita Cosby, Geraldo Rivera, Greta Van Susteren and Darren Mackoff and The Associated Press contributed to this report.

64 posted on 05/29/2003 4:22:45 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: JBCiejka
Same here ----I haven't watched television or seen how he acts in court but selling Laci's vehicle and buying himself a nice new truck, the hair bleaching, and preparations to get to Mexico and all make me believe he did it. He's been so intent on blaming this on satanic cults ----who is to say he didn't try to set it up to look that way from the start? I think he did it.
65 posted on 05/29/2003 4:26:17 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: TheSpottedOwl; ewing
How DOES one save a baby from a dying woman using TAPE?
66 posted on 05/29/2003 4:26:38 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: ewing; Howlin
Ping to #64

An addendum to the autopsy report says: "One and a half loops of plastic tape are around the neck of the fetus with an extension to a knot near the left shoulder ... an examination of the chest reveals an apparent post-mortem tear exposing the internal surfaces of the right shoulder and the right hemithorax. The wound margins are without evidence of chewing or scalloping."

A knot? In the plastic tape? I still say this goes with my theory that the baby could have been tangled up in whatever was holding Laci down after it had been expelled from her womb by gases, and before it was completely separated due to the placenta still being attached to the womb.

While looking at a picture of what Conner looked like when found, the source said it appears the child was sliced open and that the wound does not look natural.

And I still believe Connor could have been cut while Laci was being dismembered. It would have been post-mortem, even if the baby dies after Laci dies... killing, then dismembering isn't something that we've normally read happens as a "one step two step" event. There is normally a delay... then acceptance that eliminating the evidence is necessary. Dismemberment takes thinking about, and planning.

67 posted on 05/29/2003 4:31:28 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: cgk
I agree with your opinions.

If it is, as stated by GEraldo, nylon and twine, and not plastic, and since it was around Laci, too, I think it's all connected.

And I don't think anybody can say definitively when that that "wound" on Conner was made.
68 posted on 05/29/2003 4:34:49 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
"The child appeared to be a few days old ... it was entangled in nylon and twine," said the first officer on the scene."

This whole thing today is starting to look like a huge pile of hooey, with an MG monogram.

69 posted on 05/29/2003 4:36:59 PM PDT by EllaMinnow
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To: redlipstick
I don't know what that could mean, do you?

Note: I did hear Geraldo say today that the baby was older than they thought it was, 33 to 38 weeks.
70 posted on 05/29/2003 4:38:41 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: cgk
The ABC report says that the "tape" was around the baby and Laci.
71 posted on 05/29/2003 4:39:39 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: cgk
Could give credence to the 'fight with a knife' scenario in the kitchen..
72 posted on 05/29/2003 4:40:24 PM PDT by ewing
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To: Howlin
Perhaps they can compare the nylon/twine/plastic/tape to something they may have in those 75+ bags of evidence they took from the house. If they haven't already.

Half of me is wondering if Geragos is leaking all of this trying to push the Prosecution's hand to finally say: "Nonsense! Here is WHY we say Scott is the killer and he killed her in the home!" He still doesn't know for sure what they have on him in the way of evidence, yes? Full & Complete discovery happens at the Prelim?
73 posted on 05/29/2003 4:41:20 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: Howlin
If it is, as stated by GEraldo, nylon and twine, and not plastic, and since it was around Laci, too, I think it's all connected

Bingo. (And this would be the first time in this case I had agreed with Geraldo on something.)

74 posted on 05/29/2003 4:43:13 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: cgk
I believe so, but don't quote me on it.
75 posted on 05/29/2003 4:43:40 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: cgk
(And this would be the first time in this case I had agreed with Geraldo on something.)

We were just discussing on another thread how revolting it is to be agreeing with Jeffrey Feiger.

76 posted on 05/29/2003 4:46:01 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: FITZ; Howlin; ewing; runningbear
Has anyone else noticed that while Scott's mother, father and sister were in court for him, his brother was visibly absent?

His brother, whose passport application Scott was carrying when he was arrested, and IIRC his license as well, wasn't there when everyone else was.

Could it be because Scott's brother has blond hair and a goatee and THAT is what Scott was trying to do? Look like someone else so he could get away? That "the chlorine did it" is a joke. It dyed his goatee and not his eyebrows? Wild.
77 posted on 05/29/2003 4:46:49 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: Howlin
We were just discussing on another thread how revolting it is to be agreeing with Jeffrey Feiger

LMAO! Tell me about it! I loved it last night when he was yelling at that ex-DC cop turned Defense Attorney (Ted Williams?) - (how DOES that happen?!) last night on Greta.

He's the only balanced thing lately on her show, what with her never ending parade of defense attorneys.

78 posted on 05/29/2003 4:48:52 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: Howlin
Sounds like Scott Peterson and Mark Geragos have a fatal vision.
79 posted on 05/29/2003 4:51:25 PM PDT by Poohbah (Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
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To: Poohbah; Howlin; ewing; runningbear; FITZ
Scarborough Country tonight is going to talk to an expert on (Satanic) cults and talk about this theory tonight. (If it's the guy from Penn, it won't be good for the defense theory).

It's on at 7pm, 10pm, 1am, pacific. (So you don't have to miss Greta if you don't have TiVo.) ;)
80 posted on 05/29/2003 4:56:56 PM PDT by cgk (Bob Geldof: "President Bush is radical, in a positive sense. Clinton just screwed everybody.")
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To: mystery-ak
I need help on this, but if the fetus was born in good condition wouln't it have started to decompose if there had been a tear to the baby's skin in utero on the night of the murder(s)? I mean wouldn't it have been in worse shape if it had a stab wound?
81 posted on 05/29/2003 5:32:12 PM PDT by dagnabit
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To: dagnabit
I wish I could answer that...but Connor's body was still protected from the elements inside Laci's womb...until the coffin birth.
82 posted on 05/29/2003 5:44:57 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Well they should be gagged so that Scott gets a fair, impartial trial. I want this trial to be airtight and waterproof.

Unlike a certain other recent trial..........

83 posted on 05/29/2003 5:58:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: jackbill
Floating or not, I understand the props come close enough to the bottom to 'pull' up an object, and then slice it , as described.
84 posted on 05/29/2003 6:00:08 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
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To: Jhoffa_
Scott's behavior is unmistakeably that of a guilty person. But anything is possible in this crazy story.
85 posted on 05/29/2003 6:27:06 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: AKA Elena
I agree, nothing can be thrown out yet. But I have a feeling that it's a defense ploy and that the circumstantial evidence against Scott is too much to overcome.
86 posted on 05/29/2003 6:31:40 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: mass55th
Could it possibly be that the mother was struck by a propellor and it also slashed the baby.
87 posted on 05/29/2003 6:45:44 PM PDT by deJaz
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To: deJaz
This would explain the cuts on both bodies.
88 posted on 05/29/2003 6:53:35 PM PDT by Mihalis
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To: Mihalis
How's this for another wild theory?
The tape is debri and the cuts were caused by something like glass on the bottom of the bay that the current dragged/rolled them across?
Lots of stuff down there in the bottom that could have caused gashes on the bodies.
89 posted on 05/29/2003 6:53:43 PM PDT by MIgramma (FEAR= False Evidence Alleged Real)
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To: cgk
Gotta have my Greta...
90 posted on 05/29/2003 6:57:57 PM PDT by ewing
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To: mass55th
My youngest weighed 9 lbs. 5 ozs.

Try 10 lbs. 11 oz.....and I'm only 5'3". AND he was a week late. Longest week of my life!

91 posted on 05/29/2003 8:15:58 PM PDT by PistolPaknMama
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To: Howlin
Fox is saying, per Geraldo, that it is really nylon and twine around the neck.

Ah --- So that means it may have been part of Laci's garment and therefore of no obvious use as a link to the husband. I see.

92 posted on 05/29/2003 9:48:01 PM PDT by beckett
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To: beckett
From what he read over the phone, the detective was describing the baby being entwined in the nylon and twine when they found him.
93 posted on 05/29/2003 10:01:57 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin
Could possibly be fishing line seeing as all the people that fish there.Just another thought.
94 posted on 05/30/2003 3:55:17 AM PDT by deJaz
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To: spectre
"...how about asking your Coast Guard husband how likely it is for nylon and twine to be wrapped around a large object after months in the water?"

Late reply, so someone might have already answered this--he says it's possible that the child got tangled in some debris. But he also said it would depend on the accuracy of the report--originally they said tape. If it was, then you'd have to look at the tape: was it stuck together or to the child, or just wrapped around? I don't know if the news reports have said--and that would be important. If the tape had been in the water already, it would be highly unlikely for it to stick to the child or itself.

But the twine or nylon rope--yes, things can get tangled in these, the currents, etc. can make it wrap around things, probably including bodies. (Think about the last time you went wading at the beach--if there was seaweed, it just almost automatically wraps itself around your feet, and you have to shake it off.)

95 posted on 05/30/2003 6:27:33 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: spectre
It's a lot harder to examine a body that's been in the water, than say a shallow grave. It's perfectly plausable that any kind of debris could be attached to a body.

Geragos doesn't usually end up getting his clients OFF, does he? :~)

Nope, he just cares about being on tv :-)

96 posted on 05/30/2003 6:33:41 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: deJaz
"Could it possibly be that the mother was struck by a propellor and it also slashed the baby."

Geraldo was on Fox News this morning commenting about the information on the condition of Connor's body. He was stating that some of the comments made yesterday in the press were a little overboard, and that actual excerpts from the autoposy were in direct conflict with what was coming out yesterday. Apparently the autopsy says that the cut was actually a flap of skin and that the wound was more than likely incurred post mortem. I'm wondering if the damage couldn't have been done from the body being washed ashore. The videos of the area where it was found show alot of rocks and perhaps the skin was ripped from being tossed against the rocks. We'll probably never know though.

97 posted on 05/30/2003 6:39:05 AM PDT by mass55th
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To: Howlin
"Neither of these reports has been officially confirmed, or is likely to be..."

Yet the press is going great guns on this? That's just disturbing.

But the report you list, if true, certainly muddies the water. But I have more questions. Was a portion of the child's chest cut out or could it have been--forgive the graphic term--eaten out by one of the water scavengers? And was it a hole in the chest or was it just below the chest?

If someone from the press got a brief look at the body, they might draw conclusions that aren't necessarily accurate. I don't mean to be gross, but water critters will definitely eat portions of bodies, going for the most tender and the most nutritious first. And from what hubby has told me, it seems the scavengers will first go through the area just below the chest, to get to the organs.

Bodies that have been in the water a long time are not pleasant to look at, and although it seems horrible that they're so damaged, in a way, it's just Ma Nature going about business as she should. If it weren't for the scavengers, in the water or on the land, our planet would be a real mess with all the rotting bodies of wildlife--and occasional humans. I know this intellectually, but in my heart, I can't help but cringe at the images evoked by all this.

98 posted on 05/30/2003 6:40:38 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: UCANSEE2
Unlike a certain other recent trial..........

Hopefully police departments and courts have learned a lesson about keeping their mouths shut. It's our right as American citizens to be judge by a fair and impartial jury. In theory. The OJ jury was the low watermark, imo...

99 posted on 05/30/2003 6:44:51 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: MizSterious; TheSpottedOwl; mass55th
Thank your hubbie, Miz. Great reply. Very logical.

Amen to the seaweed, but it's those darn jellyfish that manage to wrap their long tentacles around my body I remember the most! Lots of water, but they find little ole me!

Geraldo is looking so Angelic wearing that Halo today. He's taken a defensive shot right across Dan Abram's bow. NO one steals the show from Geraldo...:~)

sw

100 posted on 05/30/2003 6:49:32 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (The only normal people are the ones we don't know)
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