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NEA Teacher's union HATES tax cuts (except for them)

Posted on 05/30/2003 11:25:32 AM PDT by Gopher Broke

Education Insider A weekly review of progress on the Quality Public Schools Agenda and other legislation that impacts our students, classrooms, and public education.

May 30, 2003

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Congress Returns from the Memorial Day Recess

IDEA "On your mark?get set?the next round is about to begin!" The Senate's IDEA reauthorization bill has been in the wings since the House bill passed on April 30. The long-awaited Senate bill may be introduced in early June.

The 'highly qualified' definition: The House bill imported from the "No Child Left Behind Act' the definition that requires all teachers to have a degree or pass a subject matter test in each academic subject they teach. This definition fails totally to recognize the multiple subject matter teaching assignments of thousands of special educators. These special education teachers who competently teach core academic subjects under a student's IEP would be declared 'unqualified.'

The Senate must "fix" this definition. NEA believes teachers licensed under state law as special educators should be deemed 'highly qualified.'

Time Sensitive Urge your Senator to oppose any provision that would simply copy for special educators the NCLB "highly qualified" definition and to support defining a special education teacher with state special education certification or licensure as "highly qualified."

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Paying to Teach -- Out-of-Pocket Costs State fiscal woes and education funding shortfalls mean more frozen supply budgets and school employees digging deeper into their pockets for classroom materials.

The current deduction for out-of-pocket classroom expenses allowing educators inclusively -- teachers, counselors, principals, and education support professionals -- to recoup at least some of what they spend, expires this year.

H.R. 785 [Camp (R-MI), Pryce (R-OH) and Tanner (D-TN)] would:

Make permanent the above-the-line deduction [Above-the-line deductions apply whether or not a taxpayer itemizes.]

Increase the maximum deduction from the current $250 to $400, and

Expand allowable expenses to include professional development. The 10-year benefit to educators would total $3 billion.

Time Sensitive! To move the bill forward, we need to maximize support now. Is your Representative a cosponsor? (123 to date) If not, ask your Representative to support tax relief for teachers and education support professionals by becoming a cosponsor of HR 785.

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From an email alert to members...this is unbelievable! This union STRONGLY OPPOSED tax cuts for families..because it might hurt their wallet and prevent their automatic, annual raises.

But then they SUPPORT higher tax cuts via special deductions for teachers...and urge their members to lobby for it!!

1 posted on 05/30/2003 11:25:32 AM PDT by Gopher Broke
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To: Gopher Broke
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2 posted on 05/30/2003 11:43:37 AM PDT by lowbridge (Rob: I have a five letter word: F-R-E-E-P. Freep. Jerry: Freep? What's that? -Dick Van Dyke Show)
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To: Gopher Broke
I dislike taxes, but I HATE TEACHERS UNIONS.
every time i hear the words teachers unions, i hear my fat bitch sister in law (a local teachers union president) nasty mean screeching voice and it feels like a rusty fork splitting a dozen or so of my vertabra with no anesthetic while having teeth yanked out with a tractor trailer.
3 posted on 05/30/2003 11:45:16 AM PDT by ctlpdad ("patco" the teachers unions)
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To: Gopher Broke
The NEA and other Socialist-infested entities oppose ANY type of COMPETITION, whether from voucher initiatives or home schooling. It's the idea of competing with others that scares the Left in America. Talk about modern-day Nazism!

...Thankfully there are a few teachers out there who are not members or are independent enough not to toe the (Democratic) party line.

-Regards, T.
4 posted on 05/30/2003 11:46:25 AM PDT by T Lady (.Freed From the Dimocratic Shackles since 1992)
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To: Gopher Broke
You mean the teachers in this city?

This report provides a comprehensive overview of the educational performance of the New York City public schools over the past five years. It finds that educational performance has not improved during thatperiod. Among its specific findings are:*

Only 70 percent of students complete high school, either by obtaining a diploma (60%) or aGED (10%) within seven years of initial enrollment.

Only 50 percent complete high school,either with a diploma (46%) or GED (4%) within four years of initial enrollment.

Thesefigures are unchanged from the beginning of the 1990s.*

Only 44 percent of black students, and only 39 percent of Hispanic students, complete highschool within four years.*

While passage rates on the State's Regents exams have increased since 1995, fewer than 50 percent of City students pass even one of these challenging exams. Only a maximum of 19 percent of City students could have passed five exams last year, based on low passage ratesfor Biology (16%) and Earth Science (19%). Since students will have to pass five of these exams to graduate from high school by 2005, City high school graduation rates may dropprecipitously in the near future.*

City elementary and middle school students are also not learning what they need to. Only 41 percent of these students scored at an acceptable level on the citywide reading tests in 2000, while only 34 percent scored at an acceptable level on the citywide math tests.*

One in five City elementary and middle school students scored at the lowest level on thereading tests, and nearly one third of these students scored at the lowest level on the citywidemath tests.

Many areas of the City are virtual educational dead zones. Seven entire districts (23, 19, 12, 7, 5, 9 & 85)have fewer than 30 percent of students passing the city's English exam, and fourteen (the seven above plus17, 13, 8, 4, 6, 10 & 16) have fewer than 30 percent of student passing the city's Math exam.

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5 posted on 05/30/2003 11:46:42 AM PDT by leadpencil1
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To: Gopher Broke
If they don't want tax cuts, have them send their tax cut to me... I'll take it.
6 posted on 05/30/2003 11:56:54 AM PDT by PetroniDE (Master (Sort of) of the Kitty Threads)
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To: ctlpdad
I wish you had been with me while "debating" this on another thread. I was called all types of names by pro-teacher freepers. I am going to bookmark this thread just so
I can re-read your post whenever the "teachers are great" crowd gets me ticked off. How true it is.
7 posted on 05/30/2003 12:13:52 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: Gopher Broke
From an email alert to members...this is unbelievable!

It would be unbelievable if they were for ANYTHING BUSH is for, they are DEMONCRAT shills, just like AFSCME. Public Employee Unions shouldn't even be legal, unlike real businesses, governments have no way to resist Unions, and why should they, it's not their money, IMHO.

8 posted on 05/30/2003 12:22:30 PM PDT by Mister Baredog ((They wanted to kill 50,000 of us on 9/11, we will never forget!))
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To: Mister Baredog
If you want to help "educate" teachers, visit TEACHERS.NET and click on the TEACHER CHATBOARD or visit one of the state boards......or the POLITICS board if you like to see some serious Bush bashing.....

This board is not as good as FreeRepublic.com but please bookmark and visit often.

These teachers need some conservative opinions...after hanging out with fellow liberals and DemocRATS all the time.

Think of it as "missionary" work.

Warning...if you are TOO conservative in your posts, they will block your IP address...trust me on that!

9 posted on 05/30/2003 12:33:37 PM PDT by Gopher Broke (Boycott France and French Products)
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To: Gopher Broke
Lets see mother,2 sisters,one sister-in law and one brother-in -law all teachers none belong to the union. They hate the Union with a passion. Oh they try to get them to join with the scare tactic of what if you get sued you will need our lawyers. Some people are smarter than that. They are celebrating their tax cuts Yippee!!!!
10 posted on 05/30/2003 12:44:06 PM PDT by therut
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To: No More Gore Anymore
I have no problem with teachers, and think they deserve pay commensurate with their abilities & time they actually spend teaching.
It's the unions i really really despise.
11 posted on 05/30/2003 12:57:58 PM PDT by ctlpdad ("patco" the teachers unions)
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To: ctlpdad
same here. It is just my experience to only meet the teachers who support the unions and repeat the party line. I know there are good teachers out there who deserve to make their weight in gold. I have just never met any myself.
12 posted on 05/30/2003 2:06:42 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross ((were it not for the brave, there would be no land of the free -))
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To: ctlpdad
i hear my fat bitch sister in law (a local teachers union president) nasty mean screeching voice........

Ouch! there's a visual I could have done without! :-)~

13 posted on 05/30/2003 2:08:36 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA - Bring 'em home, or send us back! Semper Fi)
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To: Gopher Broke
The bottom line in all this crap is that schools have lost track of what the heck to teach.

Politicians want politics, unions want favors, teachers want supplies, kids want holidays, and parents want day care.

What the heck ever happened to the three R's? They became Rx. And the taxman signs the script.
14 posted on 05/30/2003 2:13:33 PM PDT by JoeSixPack1 (POW/MIA - Bring 'em home, or send us back! Semper Fi)
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To: Gopher Broke
Teachers don't need a union,they're not oppressed!
15 posted on 05/30/2003 2:52:40 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: ctlpdad
I dislike taxes, but I HATE TEACHERS UNIONS.

I despise teachers unions and all public sector unions. They are scumball parasites who manipulate the hack politicians and the political process to get their way. To get outrageous wage and benefit packages while poor mouthing themselves. Many years ago it was strictly verboten for public employees to go on strike and agitate for their self interests. My, have times changed

I respect private sector unions since they know if they push too far the company goes broke and they're unemployed. And they don't thieve from the taxpayer as do 75% of public sector employees.

16 posted on 05/30/2003 3:16:59 PM PDT by dennisw
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To: Gopher Broke
Well, if you expect to find enough math majors for the public secondary schools, you won't find them. Even in a time of relative high unemployment, they prefer something else, even food service.
17 posted on 05/30/2003 3:39:29 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Gopher Broke
On June 11, the Massachusetts Teachers Association is sponsoring a "virtual eday march" asking its legislators to raise revenues to avoid education cuts.

In the next few days, I'll post the information so we can organize a counter-protest by email on June 9 and 10 so that their emails don't even get through.

Does anyone know if there is a way to forward a posting about this to all Massachusetts freepers? I'd really like to get this going so we get as many emails (at least) as they do.

18 posted on 05/30/2003 3:43:14 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: grania
What the NEA cannnot admit is that spending money on schools is like pouring water into a bucket with no bottom. Ash what is happening to the $35 billion in federal funds now being spent. We have heard how inefficient Dod is. Compared with the public schools, the military is a model of fiscal responsibility.
19 posted on 05/30/2003 4:04:49 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Gopher Broke
NEA: Teachers' Union Dues Can go to Charities, Sample Letter
20 posted on 05/30/2003 4:37:22 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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i hear my fat bitch sister in law (a local teachers union president) nasty mean screeching voice and it feels like a rusty fork splitting a dozen or so of my vertabra with no anesthetic while having teeth yanked out with a tractor trailer

Stop beating around the Bush. Tell us what you really think of your sister-in-law and her voice.

21 posted on 05/30/2003 4:56:51 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Any government that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on Paul's vote' - G. B. Shaw (mod.))
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To: ctlpdad
TEACHERS UNIONS are part of the U.N
22 posted on 05/30/2003 5:09:36 PM PDT by certify
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To: Gopher Broke
Paying to Teach -- Out-of-Pocket Costs State fiscal woes and education funding shortfalls mean more frozen supply budgets and school employees digging deeper into their pockets for classroom materials.

Bogus, BOGUS, BOGUS!!

Case in Point:

Contra Costa County, Calif. Department of Education

My wife works for them as a Therapist for Special needs kids. Budget last year had surplus money in it and they were instructed to "spend it or lose it."

Puchases included:

3 vans to transport the kids. (not needed, ordered w/o proper restraints. Now used by teachers and others as transportation w/o kids).

Printer - sized for poster size printouts. Used by teachers and others for celebrations (showers, Welcome Homes etc.) Individuals must pay for the Ink)

10 Digital Cameras - Most cameras were taken home, by those lucky enough to be 'in the know'.

Seminar on how to use the cameras. Conducted on school time aas an "inservice".

Yes, my wife is Union, she has to be to work there. But she is not happy about it.

23 posted on 05/30/2003 5:10:04 PM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Any government that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on Paul's vote' - G. B. Shaw (mod.))
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To: Gopher Broke
Well, I got into a chat room like you suggested.

I do not ever want to go there again (and I've been to many places in my life).

Thanks for the info.

24 posted on 05/30/2003 5:31:47 PM PDT by RipeforTruth
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To: ctlpdad
The quality of public school education is inversely proportionate to the growth of the NEA.
25 posted on 05/30/2003 5:44:37 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Actually it is inversely proportionate to the amount of money that is spent on the public schools, but because less and less is spent on instruction and more and more on propogada for causes in alliance with the Unions. And remember that the unions could do nothing except that they are closely allied with administrative associations, teachers' colleges, federal and state educational agencies,and textbook companies. Collectively they are known as the educational establishment.
26 posted on 05/30/2003 6:37:01 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Gopher Broke
WEAC, the Wisconsin teacher's union, recently posted an article on their website detailing how easy it is to retire outside Wisconsin. Why would someone want to spend their golden years outside the Dairy State, you ask? Because it is a tax hell, and even WEAC admits it, encouraging their membership to retire elsewhere so their pensions won't be drained away into the state treasury. This despite WEAC never meeting a tax hike or social program they didn't LOVE.
28 posted on 05/30/2003 6:55:11 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (It's a tagline. Move on.)
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To: RobbyS
You are, of course, right. Maybe we could charge them under RICO.
29 posted on 05/30/2003 8:25:14 PM PDT by Eva
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To: RobbyS
A great part of the $35 billion goes for 'overhead', i.e. more jobs in the front office of schools. Precious little trickles down to the students needs be it supplies or just good teachers. Any school that accepts federal funding must also go by federal guide lines - of what and how to teach. Good textbooks are hard to find, ones that tell the truth in simple language without cartoons poorly drawn and spoken in 'jive' language. Deliberate dummied down and then some.
30 posted on 05/30/2003 9:09:37 PM PDT by yoe (Hillary is not a Centrist - she wants "The Third Way" with no Constitution to impede her.)
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To: PetroniDE
If they don't want tax cuts, have them send their tax cut to me... I'll take it.

What bothers me, is that while these a$$h0l3s are whining, we didn't give enough tax relief to our folks over in Iraq, the rats fought it, tooth to nail, and Frist and Hastert, for the sake of compromise, gave in, for the good of the nation ( I do understand), but damn, my blood boils that we could't extend the capital gains loophole to them, at least.

31 posted on 05/30/2003 9:24:49 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: Gopher Broke
My sister is a teacher in Calif. She likes Gray Davis because he passed some kind of bill so that she will make a couple thousand more a year. Some kind of tax break. She likes that. But she wouldn't want YOU to get a tax cut!
32 posted on 05/31/2003 4:58:56 AM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Michael.SF.
Yes, my wife is Union, she has to be to work there. But she is not happy about it.

Union membership is not a condition of employment in any state.

33 posted on 05/31/2003 5:27:03 AM PDT by flim-flam
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To: yoe
The "late" Bill Bennett (he is now throughas a moralist, so he might as well be dead) once described school administration as"the blob" because as secretary of education he saw how it absorbed up most federal monies. Conglomerates have now bought up the big textbook companies and make a ton of money each year because California and Texas adopt state-wide editions. So the choices availle to other schools is limited.

Let us not forget the scam of requiring new versions of textbooks every five years when older versions will do. Or buying expensive hardbacks when paperbacks will do.(how often do we need new calculus texts or how badly do the students in calculus classes mistreat books. (For God's sakes why NOT mark them up!and if they DO trash them, make the sob's PAY for new ones.)
34 posted on 05/31/2003 5:48:24 AM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Gopher Broke
Teacher Feature...

Millionaires Receive Tax Break While More Children Enter Poverty.

from The Children's Defense Fund

This was all I had to read from the "TEACHERS.NET" website. These are the people educating indoctrinating the future of this country.


35 posted on 05/31/2003 5:58:40 AM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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Yep, these are the kinds of things I hear all of the time from the people with whom I work!
I'm a Special Ed teacher in Washington~ can you imagine?

There is a car in my lot with several bumper stickers like "No War in Iraq", "No blood for oil" etc... Right next to the big, main bumper sticker which reads, "FREE TIBET!". Always makes me wonder...
BTW, we can opt out of being in our Union but not paying the fee. I stay in so I can vote and know what is going on. I was actually part of the Executive Union Leadership group for a year so I could see what they really do.
Most actions were really benign (SP?) but there was one meeting where they were going to address political postcards during the meeting and the President had to remind them that they couldn't do political business during the "non-political" meeting. It was kind of funny to see the reaction of people to me when they discovered I was a Conservative. They TRULY cannot believe that someone they already know and repect (and like) could be an evil Republican. I work with one man who grew up in the hick part of Nebraska. He siad he had never met a Conservative who wasn't a backwards goofball. We actually have some really great conversations.
Many of the Dems I work with are great people who make up their own minds about issues and candidates. It is the lemmings who drive me crazy! They vote for exactly who and what the Union tells them. Including I-200 which helped to stop Affirmative Action Programs and another which reduced car tabs! The Union has an opinion on everything and somehow they always figure out a way to connect to Education $$$ so they can advise the members how to vote!

BTW I LOVE MY JOB and it saves all of us money if I do it right!
It is always my goal to teach my special ed kiddos everything that they can do for themselves so we don't have to pay for someone to do it for them for the next 50 years!

36 posted on 05/31/2003 6:34:12 AM PDT by M0sby
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To: INSENSITIVE GUY
It's all about money and power and nothing else.
37 posted on 05/31/2003 6:57:18 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: flim-flam
Thanks for the informaton.

Actually, "has to" was a poor choice of words on my part and were selcted in haste. I should have said:

"Due to peer pressure she feels she has to be a member of the Union, so as to not have problems with her co-workers."

38 posted on 05/31/2003 7:56:22 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ('Any government that robs Peter to pay Paul, can always count on Paul's vote' - G. B. Shaw (mod.))
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To: Michael.SF.
I can understand the peer pressure because I'm a Beck objector myself, even though I work in the private sector. In my case, it was one union corruption scandal too many, which forced my conscience to act. Nobody at work bothers me about this and my co-workers actually respect my position. Even my steward is chummy with me. IMO, resignations serve a a useful check on union power grabs. Having said all that however, resigning may not be the best option for everybody, given individual situations. Others may wish to work within the system to effectuate positive changes.
39 posted on 05/31/2003 9:48:00 AM PDT by flim-flam
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To: dennisw
Here is an interesting story about a highly rated high school in NYC and how the teachers union almost stopped an unlicensed but highly qualified math teacher from teaching there:

http://www.educationnext.org/20033/20.html

The article is fairly long, but worth reading.
40 posted on 05/31/2003 12:01:38 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Gopher Broke; *Education News
HOPE FOR AMERICA: Growing Non-Union Teacher Associations Provide Alternatives to NEA and AFT

The Union That Killed Education ( see reply 29 )

41 posted on 05/31/2003 12:03:38 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a monthly donor)
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To: leadpencil1
The NY State Legislature has a bill (probably not going anywhere) to raise the drop-out age to 18. They could raise it to 25, and it wouldn't make a damn bit of difference.

New York City is a lost cause, and the new chancellor's reading and math curricula aren't going to help either. Nothing is going to straighten out NYC public schools. The union is too strong.
42 posted on 05/31/2003 12:16:29 PM PDT by ladylib
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To: Gopher Broke
The House bill imported from the "No Child Left Behind Act' the definition that requires all teachers to have a degree or pass a subject matter test in each academic subject they teach.

Nice-sounding idea but beside the point and in the end a waste of effort. It shouldn't be the government that decides who is qualified to teach. It should be the parents, via school choice. That's what we should hammer away every day: choice, choice, choice. There's no place for the NEA to hide when the issue is choice.

43 posted on 05/31/2003 3:49:16 PM PDT by redbaiter
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To: ladylib
The union is too strong.

I agree and I've come to the conclusion that compulsory unionism is a lost cause. The so-called "labor peace doctrine" is a hoax. At a minumum, a national right to work law should be passed. Better still, eliminate exclusive representation, which would leave unions as true voluntary associations.

44 posted on 05/31/2003 4:10:05 PM PDT by flim-flam
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To: flim-flam
Freepers....tell your teacher friends and family..there are good alternatives to the NEA Teachers Union.

These groups have lower rates, better liability insurance....WITHOUT the transfer of dues (without their permission) to the Democrat Party.

Click on the link for more information...

Christian Educators Assn.

Association of American Educators

45 posted on 05/31/2003 4:31:31 PM PDT by Gopher Broke (Abortion: Big people killing little people)
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To: Gopher Broke
I think the only way to break the Communist teachers unions is to separate school and state. We need to privatize education in America. Make education a priviledge, not a right.
46 posted on 05/31/2003 4:36:38 PM PDT by Sparta (Tagline removed by moderator)
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To: Gopher Broke
NEA is a liberal leftist POS.
47 posted on 05/31/2003 7:57:28 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Gopher Broke
Thank you for this. I've been teaching for almost 9 years now, and I never knew about these organizations. I see teachers getting sued everyday over the most benign things that they say or do in the classroom, and have a hard time not looking over my shoulder at students...or, lately, administrators. I will check these out, as I was considering joining NEA just to get the insurance, even though I loathe and detest everything that the group stands for.
48 posted on 05/31/2003 10:09:22 PM PDT by FLAMING DEATH
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To: Gopher Broke
Warning...if you are TOO conservative in your posts, they will block your IP address...trust me on that!

FE. Mine changes every time I turn my comp on. Trust me, I'm going to have some FUN!
49 posted on 06/01/2003 12:58:12 AM PDT by jwh_Denver
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To: ctlpdad
My wife is a school teacher and I personally do not like the NEA but she has to belong to it for the protection afforded over an attorney.
She also has to teach several courses in Elementary Education.
The NEA does not help with their salaries as one thinks but they take their dues and spend them on the Democrat Party to which we are opposed.
The average everyday American doesnt realize the way the political system works and how the legislators protect those who funnel campaign dollars to them.
There is an electric co-operative in my area and it gives political donations to the Democrats but none to other parties and I know all who are members are not Democrats.
There is a real need for election reform and term limits in this country. Politicians are nothing more than dictators and when it comes to looking out for the public their only interest is in their own a$$e$$ and their contributors.
Americas politics and governments have run amok and need reeling in.They all only know how to tax and add fees so they can spend with no accountability.
50 posted on 06/01/2003 4:53:50 AM PDT by gunnedah
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