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Europe Returning to Pagan Roots
NewsMax ^ | May 30, 2003 | Fr. Mike Reilly

Posted on 05/30/2003 9:55:54 PM PDT by Hugenot

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To: ffusco
Yeah, go down to any local house of worship tomorrow morning and feel the oppression and vice. He's projecting his corruption of ethos and honor outward.
101 posted on 05/31/2003 4:58:13 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Sorry, the killing scrum is moving toward the Nile Crocodile "RiverDance" meet and greet.

You could ghost write for Bob Geldoff!
"and now, South American meat-packing glitterati......"
Momentary Lapse of Reason
102 posted on 05/31/2003 4:58:56 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ArneFufkin
He is suffering all right. Just trying to understand.
103 posted on 05/31/2003 5:01:02 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
I just have this vision of Chirac and Schroeder sitting at a table with Aznar, Burlesconi, Kwasinewski and Persson saying "We have nothing if we have no trust in our motives and honor and openness. Despite the scheming of Prime Minister Blair and President Putin."
104 posted on 05/31/2003 5:08:39 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ffusco
"As Christianity was adopted by many Romans , and later made the state religeon AD300? its followers became increasingly unpatriotic and docile."

How then do you explain the culture of the Byzantines, which was entirely Christian? The truth is the decadence and decay of the west in Europe had begun long before the establishment of Christianity as the state religion. Furthermore, what we know of pagans and the prechristian era is available to us only because the early church kept learning and law alive in the face of repeated incursions by barbarian (ie pagan) hordes whose only use for books was as kindling.

Those in Europe, and here on this board, whose single creative faculty is to denegrate and misrepresent our priceless Christian hertiage resemble, more than anything else, those 4th & 5th century (pagan) Romans who had so lost faith in their own history and culture that they allowed it to whither and die.

Christ Jesus is alive today in the life and souls of BILLIONS. Today! Christ is the watershed event of human history. Modern Europe misreads its own history and in doing so jeopardizes its own future.

That's not going to happen in America.

105 posted on 05/31/2003 5:22:27 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: TheAngryClam
"I'm a young man, and it's sad to think of the state that my nation will be in within my lifetime"

Here's an idea, why don't you crawl back into your mommy's womb and leave life to those w/ the courage to confront it.

106 posted on 05/31/2003 5:27:03 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: Pietro
Our Christian heritage and spiritual power is why "Old Europeans" in and the Liberal American elite fear and hate us so. There's no powerful force of nature like Americas Christian heritage and sublime Constitutional framework. The Poles, Czechs, Baltics, Danes, Italians and Warsaw Pact liberated and loving it understand completely. They want in.
107 posted on 05/31/2003 5:31:28 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TheAngryClam
Yes, but then the bible foretells of this in it's prophecies of the end times. Europe will unite under one religion again, one presented by the anti-Christ who will worship the "god of forces" or another translation, the "god of fortresses", which turns out to be himself.

There is nothing tired about Christianity, there are just more people falling asleep and falling prey to the "strong delusion" that is already transpiring. For the Christian, observing all these things, times are just heating up and getting exciting.

108 posted on 05/31/2003 5:39:11 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: ArneFufkin
"Our Christian heritage and spiritual power...."

Agreed. The world has never seen a force like the vast American middle class rooted in liberty and wholesome Christianity.

Those who choose to disregard our powerful patrimony resemble nothing so much as the petulant chidren of rich parents intent on squandering the wealth built up by generations of their forebearers. They cannot create, they have only enough imagination to deconstruct.

Happily, out here in the fields of America, a potent spirit breates still and regenerates itself through hard work and creative energy. All of the world marvels at our accomplishments and yearns to be a part of it.

And all are welcome because our God is the God of love.

109 posted on 05/31/2003 5:49:28 AM PDT by Pietro
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To: MissAmericanPie
My brother in law teaches in a middle school, and when I join them at their Parish for mass there are dozens of his current and former students in attendance. They come with their friends, their folks aren't dragging them along.

America has never been stronger. That secular nihilist Vietnam trash are fading away. The kids don't buy their crap anymore, they saw the Towers come down, they saw young men and women their age fight and die for them. They see an honest man sitting in the Oval Office. A man who actually worships God, and understands His blessing to us. They can't be cowered by threats and lies. They want to be inspired and happy.

George W. Bush is forcing Americas vermin into the light of day. They don't survive there, Americans reject their mantra. It's coming together.

We

110 posted on 05/31/2003 5:51:35 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Pietro
The philosophical foundation that our individual rights and essence is gifted by God and protected and nurtured by our carefully designed political state is uniquely powerful, enduring and enriching. That's an operational model that is inimitably American and spectacularly human.
111 posted on 05/31/2003 6:04:16 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Pietro
I'm always jazzed about our prospects, but it's not deluded. I see what is happening here in Minnesota. Minnesotans saw the Wellstone funeral ... they didn't like what they saw. The Minnesota Independent Repbublican Party is organized, professional and winning the marketplace of ideology. The DFL plys their power ONLY in Hennepin County and the urban centers these days. And they are failing miserably there. The Star Tribune will NOT cover Hennepin County business, they know information about liberals means opposition.

This is Minnesota, home of the Socialist Ice people. Folks are seeing the Democrats for what they are ... bagmen and mobsters. The old lies and tactics are empty and transparent. Democrats have no plan of growth and prosperity. Across the board.

As we slowly defund the kickback and patronage theft ... they will have nothing to offer at all.

112 posted on 05/31/2003 6:30:06 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: The Grammarian
"What exactly is the "true" definition to which you are referring?"

This is the best that I have:

"religion" = to be bound again, from "re" - again, and "ligo" - to bind. (from the Greek, I'm told)

"Religion" has always meant "doing" stuff, whether rituals, offerings, or showing submission to some hierarchy.

Christianity is the acceptance of God doing something for us in the person of Himself becoming a man, Jesus Christ, living amongst us, and dying in our place under the curse of our sin so that he is justified in redeemning us for His own forever.

Hence, "Christianity," or "the party of Christ" is not a really reigion at all.

113 posted on 05/31/2003 6:52:46 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Pietro
Agreed. The world has never seen a force like the vast American middle class rooted in liberty and wholesome Christianity.

The mojo of the Muslim world is reeling and careening right now. Every lie they've believed, every sacrifice they've made, every despot they've endured has been revealed as a fraud.

The Muslim oppressed have been fed a story about Americas corrupt and soulless heart. Americans are weak, we are venal and we are powerful through our crimes as a group ... but as individuals, the faith and purity of the Muslim man gave him strength and power and dominance over the American man.

That little delusion was blown of the water. America IS strong, her sons and daughters are the most lethal warriors in human history, and the most feared and admired military force and entrenched strongman in the Muslim World was obliterated in three weeks.

The oppressed Arab people were enduring their lives by believing a lie. The fraud is revealed.

That level of self-denial and acceptance of injury cannot sustain itself in the absence of force or fraud. When the walls come tumblin' down ... get out of the way.

114 posted on 05/31/2003 6:53:01 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Pietro
And all are welcome because our God is the God of love.

We worship a God who came to earth as Christ his son and offered eternal life by DYING FOR US.

The Islamist element worships a God who offers eternal life to those who KILL AND DIE FOR HIM.

Nuff said. Columbo is not needed.

115 posted on 05/31/2003 7:10:08 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Hugenot
Europe going back to paganism? They are already there, and we (in the US) seem to be following close behind.
116 posted on 05/31/2003 7:18:58 AM PDT by Gal.5:1
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To: TheAngryClam
we simply need a good Cornelius Sulla to set us right

Heads on pikes on the Washington Mall.

When the proscribed lists come out, I want Ted Turner's ranches.

117 posted on 05/31/2003 7:20:52 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: petuniasevan
Europe is dead as far as Christians are concerned, They have surrendered themselves at last to the hordes of Islam.
Charles Martel would turn over in his grave if he could see the state of Europe today.
118 posted on 05/31/2003 7:22:07 AM PDT by Vote 4 Nixon
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To: TheAngryClam
I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion. Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

You must be unfamiliar with the situation in the 3rd world. See Jenkins, The Next Christendom

119 posted on 05/31/2003 7:29:07 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: tictoc
Compare the above montrosity (the preamble to the new Euro constitution) to the clear, straightforward phrasing of the United States' Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

Exactly! What a wordy, incomprehensible mess.

120 posted on 05/31/2003 7:31:09 AM PDT by Ciexyz
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