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Europe Returning to Pagan Roots
NewsMax ^ | May 30, 2003 | Fr. Mike Reilly

Posted on 05/30/2003 9:55:54 PM PDT by Hugenot

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To: nopardons
Dear Ovid,
I never thought I'd be scribing this. I was at the games when........; )
51 posted on 05/31/2003 2:32:40 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
I disagree.

I believe that we're in the Silver Age or possibly slightly later. Bush would be a good Vespasian (although hopefully, Bush's plan for Palestine will go over a lot more smoothly than the supression of the Jewish Revolt) after Clinton's Nero, or possibly Trajan.

Our greatest days are behind us, but we don't know it yet, and our arts are in decline. For example, take the Moon landing. It is beyond our capability to repeat without starting from scratch on rocket and craft designs. Have we produced any "Citizen Kane" caliber films lately, or only moody, not-quite works?

I'm a young man, and it's sad to think of the state that my nation will be in within my lifetime. I should probably start learning Chinese, since the Indians speak English anyway.
52 posted on 05/31/2003 2:41:30 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (This space for rent.)
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To: ffusco
Dear suplicant ... I see that you have neglected to reaqd the chapter in my latest book, re : What to do and what NOT to do at the Circus Maximus. When that pretty woman dropped her fan... and you did WHAT ? Oh, and heavily breathing garlic fumes into her face, does NOT an erotic afternoon lead too.Remeber, always chew on some fresh parsley, after your repast, before attempting to seduce.
53 posted on 05/31/2003 2:42:03 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: GaConfed
The great days of Athens were long gone before Alexander. They ended with the city's utter defeat in the Peloponnesian War.

After that, it was doomed to be the Boston of the ancient world- full of history, museums, and universities, and little more.
54 posted on 05/31/2003 2:43:27 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (This space for rent.)
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To: nopardons
"Great minds...."
55 posted on 05/31/2003 2:47:53 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
Yes. LOL

Actually, I really WAS paraphrasing Ovid, as I nadly translated the Latin, from bits of his " THE ART OF LOVE ". His advice to women, from a man's point of view, naturally, is funny as all get out.

56 posted on 05/31/2003 2:52:30 AM PDT by nopardons
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To: TheAngryClam
Holy cow...I nearly wrote Vespasian was Bush in post 37. Clinton was Nero with a sax. And I was thinking earlier this week that The Lunar Landing was a good date for the height of our golden age, after our Punic Wars (ww1-2) and our Bellum Socius (civil war).

57 posted on 05/31/2003 2:55:58 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: American in Israel
We'll see. I suspect the world will continue long after you and I have left it.

Of course, we could split the difference and have me look forward to Ragnarok, but that's a bit too northern for my tastes.

58 posted on 05/31/2003 2:58:52 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ffusco
So all the talk of Jeb Bush in '08 would be appropriate?

Actually, I somewhat like to hope that we simply need a good Cornelius Sulla to set us right.

Too bad that didn't work so well the first time around.
59 posted on 05/31/2003 3:01:09 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: nopardons
Well, let's keep an eye open to welcome scurvy, leprocy and the plague back to the 'hood!

You know ... they've always been messed up over there.

The United Kingdom should become part of our United States. They'd get 10 senators, 50 House Reps, 50 electoral votes. We'd have a combined GDP of $15 billion, we'd have common language, currency, national defense, resource blessings, geographic width, common legal tradition and a legacy of freedom and courage.

Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, England and all of Canada west of Quebec. The Maritimes are welcome but the Francophiles can go continental. And we will use the St. Lawrence seaway without tribute.

That's the route the Brits should travel. They can't trust ANY of their "partners" in the EU. The only thing that links the Germans and French is their desire to destroy the UK.

60 posted on 05/31/2003 3:03:17 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TheAngryClam
See you in Ellysium.

; )
61 posted on 05/31/2003 3:04:12 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ArneFufkin
Ooooops ... $15 TRILLION. That's a lot of cabbage.

62 posted on 05/31/2003 3:09:16 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: nightdriver
...Christianity isn't really a "religion" at all in the true definition of the word.

What exactly is the "true" definition to which you are referring?

63 posted on 05/31/2003 3:10:36 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: nightdriver
"I can't deny that, but Christianity isn't really a "religion" at all in the true definition of the word. It has only become (falsely) represented as such in this last century."

Finally someone notices! Let's count how many times the Bible mentions religion... and what is the Bible calling religion? Ha!

Years, decades ago when I would see or hear the word religion, thoughts like "nobel cause" might flash upon my brain.

All religion is Evil. Always has been, always will be.
64 posted on 05/31/2003 3:10:51 AM PDT by Joined2Justify (Smoke screens were/are bought by the Oil Pumpers)
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To: ArneFufkin
Welcome Airstrip One!
65 posted on 05/31/2003 3:11:29 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ffusco
Thanks for you gobbledygook shout out.
66 posted on 05/31/2003 3:16:24 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: philetus
Phoenicians and Carthaginians were not Europeans.
67 posted on 05/31/2003 3:16:37 AM PDT by metesky (My retirement fund is holding steady @ $.05 a can)
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To: ArneFufkin
Who pissed in your tea?
68 posted on 05/31/2003 3:21:23 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Joined2Justify; nightdriver
To clarify my previous post, and to answer yours, Joined: The Bible does mention religion several times (James 1:27, for example, which states that "true religion and undefiled is this"). Also, define religion for me.

Taking my cue from theologian Richard Watson, no one is exactly sure what the etymology of "religion" is. It could be from "religare," how we are bound to God, or "relegare," how we relate to God. Either way, it does not have the modern connotations that many Americans give it.

Therefore, "religion" is not evil, "false" religion is evil.

69 posted on 05/31/2003 3:22:47 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: TheAngryClam
"Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion."

It appears you are a NON-Christian?

70 posted on 05/31/2003 3:27:31 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: ffusco
Some guy at a soccer riot.

I missed the gist of your Airstrip reference in the previous post.

My apologies. I should have called it mumbo jumbo, rigamaroll, hoohah, mushmouthing or jibbajabba.

71 posted on 05/31/2003 3:28:07 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ffusco
No way- apotheosis or bust!
72 posted on 05/31/2003 3:30:22 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: The Grammarian
it's from religare, but not about being joined to God. Religio, religionis means "a duty" or "an obligation" - in the context of the Roman religion this describes, it's something like "Go make sacrifice X on the third day before the Kalends of March" or "Don't eat that. Ever."
73 posted on 05/31/2003 3:32:13 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ArneFufkin
What about claptrap, yada yada, baloon juice and hot air?
74 posted on 05/31/2003 3:33:27 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: EverOnward
Right.

Which is humorous, when I think about a very different path I might have taken not too long ago.
75 posted on 05/31/2003 3:34:44 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: EverOnward
Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion

Christianity is the greatest inspirational movement in human history.

76 posted on 05/31/2003 3:35:00 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
Check out Orwell's "1984" to get it.
77 posted on 05/31/2003 3:35:22 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ffusco
I like claptrap! Gumflappin' claptrap!

What was the Airstrip reference?

78 posted on 05/31/2003 3:35:56 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TheAngryClam
Orwell seems to be 19 years late.

Christianity had their painful reformation. Islam is a 7th Century Juggernaut of violence and chaos. The Scientologists have great gizmos.

79 posted on 05/31/2003 3:40:37 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
From 1984. The name used for England. Just as you proposed there wasThe Angloshere (Oceania?) Britain was named Airstrip One presumably due to US forward bases there. Cynical but true.


Cheers.

80 posted on 05/31/2003 3:42:03 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: TheAngryClam
Well, the end of the Peloponesian War certainly did seal the fate of Athens, but it took a few coups and counter coups to bring it down to the backwater that it was when Alexander's boys showed up. It was kind of like a grand old hotel that had become a flop house, with some of the old girl's former beauty showing through if she smiled the right way.
81 posted on 05/31/2003 3:42:20 AM PDT by GaConfed
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To: ffusco
And I do recognize the irony of my apotheosis statement while I have the quote from De Rerum Natura as my signature.
82 posted on 05/31/2003 3:43:48 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ffusco
George carried a grudge!
83 posted on 05/31/2003 3:44:03 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
I have soupcans and wires too.

Maybe I should sell my "E-Meter Mark II" in the back of comic books and Boy's Life next to the hovercraft plans.
84 posted on 05/31/2003 3:44:41 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: TheAngryClam
I prefer carrier pigeons jammed into floating bottles.
85 posted on 05/31/2003 3:47:59 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TheAngryClam
Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur

That's my favorite Julio Iglesias song too.

86 posted on 05/31/2003 3:51:36 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TheAngryClam
Scientologists tried to measure my aura with a voltmeter in LA. Better living through Radio Shack, the meter measures skin conductivity via perspiration. When I touched the 2 cans together and the buried the needle. My reading was over and I was asked to leave!


Not to worry, I think Apotheosis is pretty close to Valhalla and Ellysium, perhaps distinguished suburbs of Heaven? I'd better put on my asbestos now.
87 posted on 05/31/2003 3:51:43 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: ArneFufkin
; )
88 posted on 05/31/2003 3:52:38 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Pelham
I thought Germany already tried the return-to-paganism thing in the 1930s and '40s.

They did, and as the EU was the idea of the Man from Linz, perhaps it represents Germany's final victory.

89 posted on 05/31/2003 3:56:30 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: TheAngryClam
Actually, according to many theologians, no one is certain what the origins of it are. It's surmised that it comes from either religare or relegare, the one dealing with bonds/obligations and the other relationships.

Some suppose the term Religion to be derived from religando (Lactantius), others from relegendo (Cicero). According to the former derivation, religion signified the obligation rightly to worship God, or, that which imposes upon man obligations and duties. According to the latter etymology, religion is diligent attention to those things which pertain to the worship of God. (The Doctrinal Theology of the Evangelical Lutheran Church by Heinrich Schmid, D.D.)

90 posted on 05/31/2003 3:58:31 AM PDT by The Grammarian
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To: Jim Noble
And yet the document creating the common market in 1957, the pre-cursor of the EU, is called the Treaty of Rome. Hmmmm.
91 posted on 05/31/2003 4:00:06 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: The Grammarian
There's the matter of the word religio, religionis more than the verbs, and that has a definite, and separate, meaning from them, and is the source of the modern word "religion."
92 posted on 05/31/2003 4:04:17 AM PDT by TheAngryClam (Nil igitur mors est ad nos neque pertinet hilum/quandoquidem natura animi mortalis habetur)
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To: ffusco
Tom Cruise has some really disturbing audio requirements in every movie and promotional appearance. The Scientologists have an annual Radio Shack gizmo maintenance contract with Tom that fetches $10 million or so a year.

Illuminati, Trilaterals and Bildebergers my ass ... the Scientologists are even creepier than the Kennedys.

93 posted on 05/31/2003 4:06:57 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: Jim Noble
The EU as an economic alliance is understandable. As a political and legal umbrella ... Hyenas, meet your new friends the Three misunderstood Brothers from Lion Pride North. You all get to know each other. No spine crushing or throat tearing you guys!
94 posted on 05/31/2003 4:16:44 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ArneFufkin
"Three misunderstood Brothers from Lion Pride North"

Please expound!
95 posted on 05/31/2003 4:38:04 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: Joined2Justify
All religion is Evil

Religion is a profoundly human necessity. Everywhere on Earth from the day we found self-awareness of our life and mortality.

Religion is as vital to our species as water, food, oxygen and reproduction.

You keep it real simple like.

96 posted on 05/31/2003 4:43:55 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: ffusco
Sorry, the killing scrum is moving toward the Nile Crocodile "RiverDance" meet and greet. The big cats are rockin and rollin.

It's so wonderful watching Europe recreate themselves into a 200 million person Yugoslavian brotherhood.

97 posted on 05/31/2003 4:47:46 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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To: TheAngryClam
Re your # 7...I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.

All....repeat ALL.. religions eventually fade into obscurity and impotence.....Two or five thousand years is just a blip in time for any given religion ....They all eventually go.


98 posted on 05/31/2003 4:48:28 AM PDT by rmvh
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To: ArneFufkin
I think he means oppressive organized religeous institutions which have the same vices as any beuracracy and not true religeuos piety.
99 posted on 05/31/2003 4:52:20 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: rmvh
All....repeat ALL.. religions eventually fade into obscurity and impotence.....Two or five thousand years is just a blip in time for any given religion ....They all eventually go.

Thanks for narrowing that lifespan. You've put a lot of time and thought into this revelation. So, Christianity either disappeared into Jethro Tulls Y2K bunker or its going to expire sometime in 5000 A.D. I told my Pastor not to sign that lease until 5003.

100 posted on 05/31/2003 4:55:39 AM PDT by ArneFufkin
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