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1 posted on 05/30/2003 9:55:54 PM PDT by Hugenot
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To: Hugenot
The fact is that it was Christian culture which civilized and united tribal barbarians into what was left of the declining Roman Empire, which would eventually become modern Europe. That is why every modern tyrant has seen the need to attack and suppress Christianity

And now many European countries are voluntarily reliquishing their heritage and future to the tyrant Islam.

2 posted on 05/30/2003 10:02:44 PM PDT by petuniasevan (Some folks are wise; some are otherwise)
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To: Hugenot
Europe has always had an exceedingly tumultuous experience with the imposition of Eastern dogmatic religions (Judeo-Christian-Islamic) atop its Western polyvalent spiritualism (secularist paganism). The authoritarian, ecumenical impulses of the former have been breaking down inexorably for at least four centuries now into a fractured, decentralized patchwork.
3 posted on 05/30/2003 10:08:03 PM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: Hugenot
Europe is toast.

Prepare for war.

China is on the entre menu and the Europeans are ala cart.
6 posted on 05/30/2003 10:31:46 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Hugenot
I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.

Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

I don't really mind, either. The glory of European civilization came from the pagan parts- Rome and Greece, and their rebirth and rejection of Christianity in the Renaissance and Enlightenment.
7 posted on 05/30/2003 10:32:44 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (This space for rent.)
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To: Hugenot
SITREP
8 posted on 05/30/2003 10:41:18 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Hugenot
"Sadly, the leaders of Europe lack that insight."

Even more sadly for us, the governmental and intelligentsia leaders in the U.S. lack that knowledge also.

9 posted on 05/30/2003 10:45:33 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: Hugenot
I thought Germany already tried the return-to-paganism thing in the 1930s and '40s.
12 posted on 05/30/2003 10:55:53 PM PDT by Pelham
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To: nutmeg
read later bump
18 posted on 05/30/2003 11:35:10 PM PDT by nutmeg (USA: Land of the Free - Thanks to the Brave)
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To: Hugenot
"Drawing inspiration from the cultural, religious and humanist inheritance of Europe, which, nourished first by the civilizations of Greece and Rome, characterized by spiritual impulse always present in its heritage and later by the philosophical currents of the Enlightenment, has embedded within the life of society its perception of the central role of the human person and his inviolable and inalienable rights, and of respect for law. ..."

Language is so revealing, isn't it? Compare the above monstrosity (from the preamble to the new Euro constitution) to the clear, straightforward phrasing of the United States' Declaration of Independence and Constitution.

31 posted on 05/31/2003 12:38:59 AM PDT by tictoc (On FreeRepublic, discussion is a contact sport.)
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To: Hugenot
A return to the actual pagan pantheon of Europe would bode ill for Islam. What jihadist would venture his paradise against a Nordic warrior bent on Valhalla? Or face the devotees of Apollo Far Striker again in the narrow passes of Greece? As if that were any better meeting Britons smeared with woad longing for the Far Isles.

No, the paganism that modern Europeans long for goes no further than healing crystals and aromatherapy. Europe's forgetfullness of its Christian past is misnamed. The true word is senescence.
35 posted on 05/31/2003 1:19:40 AM PDT by wretchard
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To: Hugenot
Europe going back to paganism? They are already there, and we (in the US) seem to be following close behind.
116 posted on 05/31/2003 7:18:58 AM PDT by Gal.5:1
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To: Hugenot
""It borders on the ridiculous that the Preamble should make nominal reference to the Hellenistic and Roman component and jump directly to the 'philosophers of the Enlightenment,' omitting the Christian reference without which the Enlightenment is incomprehensible," Josep Miro i Ardevol, president of the Convention of Christians for Europe, said in a statement."

And these same countries coddle a virulent strain of Islam unknown to the US. Apparently they have forgotten, purposely, the Jews and the other branches of the Monotheistic tree and therefore fail to point out the regressive ness of Islam and the progressiveness of today's Judaism and Christianity.

What Sort of Hat Are You? ."...antidemocratic sentiment was not merely an ephermeral trend, but a defining feature of 20th century French political culture."Today Heidegger Lives In France" .


145 posted on 05/31/2003 8:57:41 AM PDT by Helms (Dems Find Smoking Gun: 45-55 Loss in Senate, Bush Wins 2nd Term)
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To: Hugenot
The Eurocrats in Brussels are as allergic to Christianity as vampires are to crucifixes.
155 posted on 05/31/2003 9:24:40 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: Hugenot; AntiGuv; ffusco
As if the pagans threw out the baby with the bath water.

Let's hear it for that old pagan doctor Hypocrites whose oath banned abortions....

An examination of history will show that only the Catholics (under the Pope as a king of the Papal States or Emperor over Catholic monarchs) initiated true "theocratic" states (ruled by a religious leader). The Eastern Christians actually had a seperation of church and state but they never called it that. I think the term the Orthodox use is a "symphonic relationship". The Byzantine and Russian emperors were not heads of the church but rather protectors. This is the model that later Protestant monarchs adopted.

That is my very generalized view of things.

Our constitution does just fine without the mention of God whatsoever.

165 posted on 05/31/2003 9:50:28 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Hugenot
I hope the U.K. can find away of getting out of this thing.
216 posted on 05/31/2003 1:47:06 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: Hugenot
Bump for later
265 posted on 05/31/2003 6:54:22 PM PDT by cpprfld (Who said accountants are boring?)
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To: Cacique
How about a return to Saturnalia on the streets of Rome?
287 posted on 06/01/2003 1:38:03 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Hugenot
Bump
320 posted on 06/01/2003 9:34:16 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (http://www.ourgangnet.net)
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To: Hugenot
"Aetas parentum peior avis tulit
nos nequiores, mox daturos
progeniem vitiosiorem."


--Ovid

Our fathers, viler than our grandfathers
begat us who are even viler
and we shall bring for a progeny more degenerate still.
334 posted on 06/03/2003 6:11:15 AM PDT by TheWillardHotel
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