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To: ffusco
Of course there were numerous factors that led to Romes fall including: Immigration, a lazy middle class, a foreign army, high taxes, massive public asistance, and the tyranny of corrupt military leaders.

With the exception of the two allusions to the military, all the factors you list are present in our society today (of course, with generals around like Wesley Clark, you may be able to include that one too).

As for Christianity, I think the negative impact on European culture was due more to the governing buracracy that the Catholic Chruch built up around Chistianity than Christianity itself; things like promoting ignorance and illiteracy through the Latin translation of the Bible, and then only allowing the clergy to learn Latin.

33 posted on 05/31/2003 1:00:35 AM PDT by GaConfed
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To: GaConfed
I couldn't agree more.
36 posted on 05/31/2003 1:21:04 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: GaConfed
"With the exception of the two allusions to the military, all the factors you list are present in our society today"
Ominous isn't it?

I think we are in our Golden Age NOW. At the equivalent time In Rome, the satirist Juvenal compains of the corruption in Rome, the abundance of lawyers, the endless fads, the disrespect for authority and traditions, lewdness, the high rents, the noise of traffic, inflation, lying politicians, dirty foreigners..........
37 posted on 05/31/2003 1:34:24 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: GaConfed
...and then only allowing the clergy to learn Latin. Latin was the common language of the learned in both Catholic and Protestant countries until the 18th Century. Most of the teachers and students at university were laymen. For instance, Thomas More, the "man for all seasons."
183 posted on 05/31/2003 11:53:26 AM PDT by RobbyS
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