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To: Hugenot
I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.

Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

I don't really mind, either. The glory of European civilization came from the pagan parts- Rome and Greece, and their rebirth and rejection of Christianity in the Renaissance and Enlightenment.
7 posted on 05/30/2003 10:32:44 PM PDT by TheAngryClam (This space for rent.)
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To: TheAngryClam
And the notion that all virtues came exclusively from Christianity is preposterous. As if the pagans threw out the baby with the bath water.
10 posted on 05/30/2003 10:48:28 PM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus, Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: TheAngryClam
Pre-Christian Europe was a patchwork of barbarian tribes, with perhaps the exception of Greece, and later on Rome. All subsequent development came from the integration of its Christian roots with its ideals, albeit in an undesirable way. For instance, pagans had no compassion whatsoever for weaklings and children who were born with any physical defects were killed at birth. War and oppression were not merely a means to an end, but were seen as the most glorious of human endevours.
Greece and Rome were not half as glorious as modern day armchair historians make them out to be.
11 posted on 05/30/2003 10:51:13 PM PDT by Dat
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To: TheAngryClam
"I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion."

More's the tragedy. The only Christianity you see may be as you describe, I can't deny that, but Christianity isn't really a "religion" at all in the true definition of the word. It has only become (falsely) represented as such in this last century.

13 posted on 05/30/2003 10:59:01 PM PDT by nightdriver
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To: TheAngryClam
I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.

For a "neutered, tired religion", it sure seems to be breeding prolifically. It is the fastest growing religion on earth currently and is taking China and Russia by storm.

Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

You mistake Government with Religion. The conquest of Christianity you refer to was the use of the religion as a shield for mans conquest. When the Bible was printed for all to read, that put a stop to it.

I don't really mind, either. The glory of European civilization came from the pagan parts- Rome and Greece, and their rebirth and rejection of Christianity in the Renaissance and Enlightenment .

Perhaps Christianity has been neutered in your heart, but as Aristotle said, "The function of the brain is to lubricate the nose." Romanticizing the past has it’s place, but reality is a concept too. I kinda think America and Modern Europe, built on the foundation of Christianity has surpassed the toga party and the mad max entertainment business of the ancient world.

What is actually going on is the drawing up of the sides of the battle of Armageddon. You wish to hang with the tree worshipers and the child sacrifice types, I want to hang with the Almighty God. So be it. A man has to do what a man has to do, and eat the consequences of his choices.

50 posted on 05/31/2003 2:32:26 AM PDT by American in Israel (Right beats wrong)
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To: TheAngryClam
"Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion."

It appears you are a NON-Christian?

70 posted on 05/31/2003 3:27:31 AM PDT by EverOnward
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To: TheAngryClam
Re your # 7...I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.

All....repeat ALL.. religions eventually fade into obscurity and impotence.....Two or five thousand years is just a blip in time for any given religion ....They all eventually go.


98 posted on 05/31/2003 4:48:28 AM PDT by rmvh
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To: TheAngryClam
Yes, but then the bible foretells of this in it's prophecies of the end times. Europe will unite under one religion again, one presented by the anti-Christ who will worship the "god of forces" or another translation, the "god of fortresses", which turns out to be himself.

There is nothing tired about Christianity, there are just more people falling asleep and falling prey to the "strong delusion" that is already transpiring. For the Christian, observing all these things, times are just heating up and getting exciting.

108 posted on 05/31/2003 5:39:11 AM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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To: TheAngryClam
I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion. Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

You must be unfamiliar with the situation in the 3rd world. See Jenkins, The Next Christendom

119 posted on 05/31/2003 7:29:07 AM PDT by Stefan Stackhouse
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To: TheAngryClam
I don't really see the problem- Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.
Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

Well Christianity is the fastest growing religion in Asia, Africa and South America. Third world Christians are much more conservative than their European and North American Counter parts. In 20 years there will be an african or Asian pope since the majority of the Cardinals will be from third world counties.

This is all common knowledge among those who are keeping an eye on things.

Liberals, secularists and the unimformed are in for a real shock, shortly.

Moreover, liberal protestants, secular humanists and pagan agnostic Europeans are in for the rudest awakening of all. They will all be consigned to the ash heeps and foot notes of history by the fundamentalist Christian civilization that is coming to supercede them. They don't have the will to survive and fight Islam. The third world Christian wave is ready and willing to take on Islam. Look at the Sudan, all Islam sponsored war in Africa, the Phillipines etc.

Get ready for the real thing. The new world order will be the domination of populations belonging to third world Christianity.

150 posted on 05/31/2003 9:16:31 AM PDT by Podkayne
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To: TheAngryClam
Once, it was like Islam is now, full of fire and passion and global conquest, but now is nothing more than memories.

Don't know many Christians, do you? The fire among many young Catholics in this Country is palpable. And we're having lots of kids, while our secular brethren are wasting away...

I don't really mind, either. The glory of European civilization came from the pagan parts- Rome and Greece, and their rebirth and rejection of Christianity in the Renaissance and Enlightenment.

Boy, you bought the academic "Western Civ" view of history hook, line, and sinker, didn't you? If not for Christianity, there would have been no Renaissance, no "Enlightenment." If not for Christians, the works of classical Greece and Rome would have been lost to us. If not for valiant Christians at Tours, at Constantinople, at Jerusalem, on Malta, at Lepanto, at Vienna, etc., Europe may have been overrun by Islam on any number of occasions. Any guesses as to what an Islamic Europe would have meant to the "Renaissance" and "Enlightenment?" And certainly, without Christianity, there could not have been a United States.

You want to talk about "tired", try studying the later Roman/Byzantine Empire period. False dead-end that it was, paganism was recognized as a fraud by most Romans as early as late Republican Roman times. It wasn't paganism that led to the greatness of Rome and Greece. Both cultures possessed an inherent longing for the truth--both in terms of science and religion. It was this inherent virtue that allowed Greco-Roman civilization to create an educational system without equal in the ancient world. It was this same inherent virtue that caused them to eventually reject paganism and accept Christianity (with a little help from the Holy Spirit, no doubt!)

Another example of "tired" would be our current anti-Christian postmodern culture. It is moribund; its advocates are aging and those replacing them aren't nearly as convincing charlatans as they were. While you may not realize it yet, the zeitgeist is moving again...
158 posted on 05/31/2003 9:31:00 AM PDT by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces )
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To: TheAngryClam
}Christianity is just a neutered, tired religion.

No, not the religion. Only the pathetic leaders.

163 posted on 05/31/2003 9:44:23 AM PDT by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls History. He who controls History controls the future.)
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