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MR MATRIX AND HIS DOMINATRIX (ick!)
Mirror UK ^ | 5/20/03 | David Edwards

Posted on 05/31/2003 7:54:16 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband

MR MATRIX AND HIS DOMINATRIX

May 23 2003

By David Edwards

 

EVEN by Hollywood's bizarre standards, it's a tale that for sheer weirdness, is right off the scale.

The Matrix Reloaded may be wowing audiences with its spectacular special effects and technology but its director and mastermind is busy creating another set of fireworks.

Larry Wachowski has abandoned his wife of nine years - childhood sweetheart Thea - to pursue a sado-masochistic relationship with a dominatrix.

Now he's being sued by his estranged wife, who is furious after she was asked to help pay for a luxury lovenest for the couple.

BESOTTED: Larry Wachowski with Karin in Los Angeles

Thea Bloom has already convinced a Los Angeles judge to sign an order which means Wachowski won't earn another penny from the film - which has grossed $134million in the first week of its US release - and its sequel until he comes clean about his finances.

"Larry has been extremely dishonest with me in our personal life," she says, "and I believe he is hiding information from me regarding our financial affairs.

"I confronted him about the companies having received almost $16million (£10m) which I didn't know about. He admitted they'd received large amounts but that there was hardly any left.

"He has no understanding of his legal obligations to me and now wants me to co-operate in his purchase of a $2.7million (£1.6m) home in San Francisco."

The order was made a day before Wachowski attended Reloaded's premiere at the Cannes Film Festival last week.

Sporting dangly earrings and a knitted cap, he was accompanied by 36-year-old Karin Winslow - a well-known sado-masochistic dominatrix, who had just left her trans-sexual husband and taken on Wachowski as her "slave".

WATCHING the Cannes highlights at his flat in New Orleans was her estranged husband, Jake Miller.

"I want people to know the truth," he says. "When Larry walked down that red carpet with my wife he was probably wearing a bra and panties under his suit.

"He's been cross-dressing for years and everybody knows it. But in Hollywood, money talks. And if you are a director of a hit like The Matrix, you can get away with anything. I hope Larry is man enough to admit who - or what - he is."

Jake's claims might go some way to explaining the secrecy which Wachowski - and his brother Andy - have always cloaked themselves in.

"We don't like the idea of selling ourselves," says Andy, 35, who co-directed the films, which star Keanu Reeves, Laurence Fishburne and Carrie-Anne Moss.

Even growing up, the brothers made little impression on teachers at the Whitney Young High School in Chicago. Physics teacher Michael McIntosh says: "Nobody really has any specific memories of them - they seemed to keep themselves to themselves."

Born to a businessman father and a mother who worked as a nurse, the brothers went to university but dropped out to work in housepainting, carpentry, construction and comic-book writing.

Then, in 1984, Larry fell for Thea, finally marrying her nine years later.

The brothers eventually hit paydirt with Assassins, which was made into a film starring Sylvester Stallone, and later with Bound.

In 1998, the studios gave them the green light to create The Matrix. Set in a future where machines have enslaved humans in a virtual reality, the film easily overshadowed the Star Wars prequel, The Phantom Menace and made the brothers "players" overnight. In 2000, Wachowski and Thea bought a £1.1million house in Venice, LA.

It might have seemed an extravagance but Wachowski was about to become very rich.

For the two Matrix sequels, the brothers were promised £10million which they would split 50-50. They also earned an advance of £1.5million for the video game and got a cut of the box-office receipts. It was a year after moving to LA that Wachowski first walked into The Dungeon fetish club. It was there he met Karin, who was earning £156 an hour whipping and beating clients.

Karin first experimented with S&M after leaving school and by then had become one of the most famous dominatrixes in the city.

In one interview, she said: "My favourite activities range from worshipping my stiletto heel to piercing, rope-suspension bondage and bullwhipping."

At the time, she was happily married to Jake, who, although born a girl, underwent a sex-change operation in 1995, three years before he married Karin.

JAKE, now 40, stresses: "What she did was not prostitution. There were three rooms set up to cater for every fetish. They were filled with whips and chains and sex toys.

"Karin had never appeared starstruck before but she told me: 'The director of The Matrix came to see me today!'

"A few days later, Karin told me she had a special client and we went into the bondage room and there was this man lying there in a dress, no panties and blonde wig.

"Karin said: 'That's Larry Wachowski.' I said hello and told him he looked pretty. Karin said Larry wanted to be called Lana and, from then on, that was his name." Unknown to Jake, Karin became infatuated with her client and when Wachowski left for Australia in August 2001, he begged her to go with him. "By this stage, I knew she was falling in love with him," says Jake. "I let her go to Australia because I was scared of losing her. When she got back, things had changed. She told me Larry worshipped her.

"She said Larry's favourite colour is pink and that he loves wearing leather skirts. He is also obsessed with Marilyn Monroe and spiky heels."

The trio met up at a nightclub to try to resolve the situation but, recalls Jake, it ended in failure. "They walked in looking like giant drag queens. Larry could barely look me in the eye. Karin said, 'Lana's feeling very shy tonight'. It was a disaster and I left. That's when I realised my marriage was over."

Karin last spoke to Jake a week ago, when she told him of their plans to buy a home in San Francisco - the plan which finally made Thea snap. Jake says: "Karin also told me Larry was taking hormone pills. When you look at the picture of them on the red carpet, he looks feminine."

Today, Larry and Karin share a mansion in Venice, yards from the home he had with Thea, and he isn't getting any more out-going.

"I didn't know he had anything to do with The Matrix," says one neighbour. "I don't see them that much as they stay indoors." The Wachowskis have always shunned the limelight, insisting on a no-publicity clause in contracts.

But as lawyers prepare for Larry's showdown with Thea, he's now learning that there is no such thing as a Hollywood life out of the spotlight.



TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: barfalert; creepy; transexual
Too creepy. Glad I haven't seen the flix. I've heard Matrix is terrible too. Now we know why. A Sick Kinky Gross Person is the director.
1 posted on 05/31/2003 7:54:16 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Forgot to add, CLICK THE LINK for the PIC of Larry as Trannie, I didn't want to gross you all out.
2 posted on 05/31/2003 7:55:14 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (ick)
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To: scripter; Remedy
Scripter, I don't think people like this should be allowed to make movies or get budgets.

The latest on Larry W. is that he wants to be referred to as Laura!

EWWWWWWWW!
3 posted on 05/31/2003 7:56:32 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband (ick)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Hollyweird.

Both Matrices were great, btw.
4 posted on 05/31/2003 7:56:34 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: Thane_Banquo
Why? Because of the special effects? That's what my husband does for a living. It's just CG. No big deal.
5 posted on 05/31/2003 7:58:25 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Bevare the big green dragon that sits on the doorstep!
6 posted on 05/31/2003 7:59:07 AM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood (Just wondering if anyone will get that reference....)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
"Sporting dangly earrings and a knitted cap, he was accompanied by 36-year-old Karin Winslow - a well-known sado-masochistic dominatrix, who had just left her trans-sexual husband and taken on Wachowski as her "slave"."

If true, here is Exhibit A as to why Hollywierd needs to be pout out of business. The dementia of the producers. writers and actors inevitably bleeds through into what they produce, write and act in. That in turn has had and will conitnue to have an increasingly detrimental effect on society.

It is shameful that this puke is what America exports to the world.

7 posted on 05/31/2003 7:59:53 AM PDT by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Yeah, the special effects made the movie cool. I agree. It surely wasn't the acting, because Keanu Reeves is no Mel Gibson or Tom Hanks. That said, the guy who plays Morpheus is pretty good.
8 posted on 05/31/2003 8:10:08 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Both Matrix movies were really good. Just saw Reloaded again yesterday. Really enjoyed it even though I went to a morning showing and the theatre was full of kids.
9 posted on 05/31/2003 8:10:16 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: BenLurkin
What about the politicians and people like Dick Morris?
10 posted on 05/31/2003 8:10:25 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: BenLurkin
1TI 6:[9] People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. [10] For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil.

Note: Not money itself or even having it but the Love of it.

11 posted on 05/31/2003 8:16:56 AM PDT by apackof2 (If posted my comment would look like this)
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To: Nita Nupress
CLICK THE LINK for the PIC of Larry as Trannie...

Hmmmm...

12 posted on 05/31/2003 8:17:25 AM PDT by jellybean
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To: Thane_Banquo
What I do like is that the star (Keanu) is going to give about $1 million to EACH special effects person!

I said to hubby "Honey, try to get work on the NEXT Keanu Reeves special effects project!"
13 posted on 05/31/2003 8:17:45 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: BenLurkin
For the two Matrix sequels, the brothers were promised £10million which they would split 50-50. They also earned an advance of £1.5million for the video game and got a cut of the box-office receipts. It was a year after moving to LA that Wachowski first walked into The Dungeon fetish club. It was there he met Karin, who was earning £156 an hour whipping and beating clients.

I see this paragraph as a summary of what happened in the beginning to bring this all about.

The whole story sounds to me like an example of what can happen when someone who is intelligent and creative, but not too well grounded in reality and without a lot of self-control, runs into a lot of money...

14 posted on 05/31/2003 8:18:41 AM PDT by Screaming_Gerbil (Let's Roll...)
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Reads like a Penthouse letter.
15 posted on 05/31/2003 8:20:17 AM PDT by razorback-bert
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
This certainly makes, "whiskey for me and beer for my horses" seem tame.


Eaker

16 posted on 05/31/2003 8:22:23 AM PDT by Eaker (84,999,987 firearm owners killed no one yesterday. Somehow, it didn't make the news.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Just saw Matrix II--It was about a half-hour too long. Every fight and chase sequence was beautifully done, but also way overdone and way too long. And I can't take my kids to it, though they watched the first version. What was the deal with that huge dance sequence that went on forever? Like, so boring.

And all that silly philobabble.

17 posted on 05/31/2003 8:24:04 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Thane_Banquo
It sounds like the new girl friend will get him whipped into shape.
18 posted on 05/31/2003 8:57:38 AM PDT by punster
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To: Mamzelle
I'm starting to believe the dance scene was a device to get the viewing audience to believe the people in Zion are real. I'm not so sure they are- or rather, I'm not so sure they have ever been uplugged from the Matrix (or indeed whether the Matrix ever existed).

The dance scene didn't disturb me. I've been on dance floors that looked similar. I had occasion to contrast the film yesterday with another brand of stage performance- the ballet. Went to see Reloaded in the morning, went to the ballet in the evening. I didn't see anything in the Matrix dance scene that I did not also see at the ballet, but the ballet went on for considerably longer. There was also more nudity at the ballet. In one vignette the female dancer was topless and the way she and the male dancer writhed their bodies against one another wasn't that much different than what I saw in the film. LOL! I even saw dreadlocks at the ballet- 'Ghost Dances'.

At least at the Matrix I didn't have an oppressively snobbish English woman sitting next to me asking me why I didn't like the Rambert company's 'Living Toys' ;-)

19 posted on 05/31/2003 9:17:13 AM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Mamzelle
I saw it with my son. Totaly agree with your analysis. Poorly edited. Twisted story line. Second rate acting. Poor premise continuity.

Oh well, I am waiting for the remake of When Worlds Collide".

20 posted on 05/31/2003 10:08:55 AM PDT by stubernx98
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To: The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
What does the dragon eat? Puppy dog tails, and BIG FAT SNAILS!

Pull the string! Pull the string!
21 posted on 05/31/2003 10:15:15 AM PDT by Billy_bob_bob ("He who will not reason is a bigot;He who cannot is a fool;He who dares not is a slave." W. Drummond)
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To: Billy_bob_bob

I knew there must be at least one other Ed Wood fan around here.

22 posted on 05/31/2003 11:09:49 AM PDT by The Hon. Galahad Threepwood
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
This whole story falls into the 'things I could do without knowing' category.

I appreciate the contribution that the Wachowski brothers have made to film making. The craft and artistry represented in the Matrix movies is truly superlative. I'm never surprised to find eccentricities in talented, driven people. Stories of adultery, freaky fetish sex, and high-profile litigation don't especially enhance the thought provoking nature of the films, but it ultimately doesn't matter one way or the other.

Since Larry isn't taking my kids out on Scouting missions, nor occupying a position of political or corporate responsibility, what he does in his bedroom, while kooky, doesn't matter.
23 posted on 05/31/2003 11:16:36 AM PDT by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Sick kinky gross people can direct great films, write great poetry, compose great music.

(I think Chaucer made that point in the Canterbury Tales. Or maybe you remember Amadeus?)

They're still sick, kinky, gross people. But if you want to track the facts you might consider a more fine grained approach to you evaluation of people.

Kind regards,
24 posted on 05/31/2003 11:22:07 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I lament that a sanctified covenent between man and wife has been breached in this way.

But maybe there's a lesson here. I've never been married and I'm too young to think about it seriously, and I take it you are married, so I offer the following observation with some humility.

But it seems to me that If one wants to do everything possible to make a marriage (or any intimate relationship) work, one has to make it safe for one's partner to talk about their deepest, kinkiest, wildest sexual desires and fantasies. People aren't often good at even KNOWING these things, so it's not as easy as saying "hey, you can tell me". One has to probe, experiment, be open and emotionally available, and always, always, always, communicate.

It sounds easier than it is, especially when we're talking about non-vanilla sex. But it might make the marriage better, and it would certainly make the sex much better.

Maybe if his wife had brought the kink out of him, they'd still be together, maybe even feeling a deeper emotional bond by having shared these sorts of deep, dark, scary desires with each other.

All I can say is, I've had kinky friends in my life (there are all kinds of ways to be kinky) and I've been richly rewarded for having understood them and having shared that understanding with them.

Peace,
25 posted on 05/31/2003 11:34:20 AM PDT by ConsistentLibertarian
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To: Prodigal Son
I also disagree with the charactarization that the dance sequence was an orgy--unless orgies are really boring. It was a neat shot at the beginning, but got tired of looking at closeups of muddy feet. And I'm not up for taking my kids to see any movie with simulated sex (not the dance sequence, but Trinity and Neo). What's the deal? Are they trying to do themselves out of a market? The trend is away from that stuff.
26 posted on 05/31/2003 11:43:47 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: spodefly
re: This whole story falls into the 'things I could do without knowing' category. )))

(g) My kids have a new expression, they kind of squeak "Thanks for sharing" in a singsong voice. Picked it up from some cartoon--It's always good for a laugh.

27 posted on 05/31/2003 11:45:59 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: stubernx98
MATRIX SPOILER ALERT--The movie also had some frustrations--I was filled with "what I would have done differently." Morpheus lost his faith, which should have been a moment of high drama. Then Neo suddenly has unexplained powers IRL, also without drama or explanation. I detested that long, confusing final episode with the Architect spouting endlessly.

I did really like that rescue of the Keymaker, with that French guy being so disgusting...was he the program for Jaques Chirac? Would like to see Persephone developed as a character.

28 posted on 05/31/2003 11:59:09 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
It was a neat shot at the beginning, but got tired of looking at closeups of muddy feet.

The bare feet have some sort of significance that I haven't figured out yet. If you'll remember, when the kid that sort of worships Neo was running to the huge cavern where Morpheus was about to give his speech, he hurriedly took off his shoes for some reason. I'm still puzzling over that one.

Yeah, I never saw it as an orgy either. I couldn't figure out why people were describing it as such. But at any rate, I noted the directors focused on the sweat, bare feet and mud. Maybe something symbolic in there- who knows. Maybe it'll turn up in the next movie.

I didn't think that scene was that long personally. It seemed like it lasted about 15 or 20 seconds- it was over before I knew it at any rate. The freeway chase scene was a little long for my tastes but I guess that's what it's all about isn't it? Personal taste.

I don't have a television and it's been over a decade since I saw any American television but over here, you would see much more graphic sex scenes on normal television (than in the Matrix)- I mean much more graphic. Nudity is common on British television. Is it that way on American television? Do the daytime soaps not have sex scenes? Just curious. And like I mentioned about the ballet earlier- there was nudity on the stage and many small children in the audience. How does that work in the States? Or would that ballet be banned?

(I thought Trinity and Neo were wrestling. Looked like he had her pinned...) ;-)

29 posted on 05/31/2003 12:04:40 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Prodigal Son
Since you are talking to an unrepentant prude, I'd say MatrixII was racy for my taste, certainly I wouldn't take a kid not a highschool grad. I have a monster TV that I bought just to watch LOTRings...but I seldom watch network TV. I do like movies.

Regular cable offerings do not have nudity, that I'm aware of...but so many new stations enter the picture that I can't keep track of them. I filter out network TV, and put up with some rather vulgar cartoons that my kids like.

"Spirited Away" was truly excellent.

30 posted on 05/31/2003 12:15:56 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Prodigal Son
Classical ballet in America does NOT have nudity. I've seen CLASSICAL ballet from the UK/Russia/etc and I've NEVER seen nudity.

I've also taken ballet for years, and I will tell you as a ballet dancer that ONE of the reasons a girl will be in ballet is BECAUSE of the costumes.

Balanchine (and post-) and others do NOT do Classical Ballet unclothed.

Ballet is STILL a CLASSICAL CONSERVATIVE art.

There are however those that call their MODERN crap "ballet", and it's not.
31 posted on 05/31/2003 12:24:45 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
I'm such a conservative ballet fan, I think Balanchine is/was crap...didn't quite understand PSon's description of ballet in England, which I took to be where he's posting from.
32 posted on 05/31/2003 12:30:51 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: I_Love_My_Husband; All
It's interesting that Matrix I had Judeo-Christian underpinnings, i.e. Trinity, Zion, love gives rebirth, etc.

However, Matrix II is dark, pagan and depressing.

We should remember there are forces in the entertainment industry, as elsewhere, who benefit from destroying people publicly as well as obliterating any lingering trace of morality.

Mike Ovitz said the gay mafia was out to get him, his wife and his children.

I believe him. It happens daily, and nowhere more successfully than in Hollywood.

Pod People live, and they're often dressed in lavender.

33 posted on 05/31/2003 12:37:46 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
There are however those that call their MODERN crap "ballet", and it's not.

That is a matter of opinion though, isn't it?
We've all got our opinions and they all stink- yours included ;-)
It's all about perspective.

Some modern dance is really nice. I wouldn't want to live in a world where all dance had to be in the classical form. I like classical as well but I certainly wouldn't want my choices limited to it. I like a few options myself. A little room for interpretation.

I don't know how far I'd go in describing all forms of modern dance as 'ballet' per se, but clearly, much of it is. Last night's ballet opened with a bit called 'Hurricane'. Set to Bob Dylan's song of the same title. Overtly political. The perfomance could just as well have been done in a city square by a street performer- it carried the same effect. The dancer's interpretation was interesting but it wouldn't have ever occurred to me to label it ballet and it wasn't what I paid to see (which was Ghost Dances- which was ballet).

34 posted on 05/31/2003 12:49:54 PM PDT by Prodigal Son
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To: Mamzelle
Ahh. Well I'm with you except I love Balanchine. In the ballet world he is considered god-like. We read tons of books about him borrowing each others books and recommending them.

35 posted on 05/31/2003 12:55:43 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I agree with you, and as terrible as Ovitz was I do believe him about the "Velvet Mafia".

You know in the new movie Finding Nemo, the lead female part is none other than Ellen DeGeneres. She does a great job BUT this is once again part of the Velvet Mafia putting one of their OWN in a kid's movie.
36 posted on 05/31/2003 12:58:18 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Ellen

Pathetic as ever.

What's your take on "Bruce Almighty?" I haven't seen it yet.

37 posted on 05/31/2003 1:01:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
I haven't seen Bruce Almighty yet but I think Jim Carrey is pretty hilarious. I'll never forget Liar Liar, which was funny! I'm hoping to see Bruce Almighty soon :)

Do you know the site http://www.rottentomatoes.com ? It's a great site and gives ALL the reviews.
38 posted on 05/31/2003 1:12:38 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Yes, that site is great.

Carrey amazes me with his ability to turn ridiculous plots into hilarity.

When he's good, he's wonderful. But when he's bad, he's terrible, like in "Cable Guy" and anything with Rene Zellweger.

39 posted on 05/31/2003 1:18:38 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Thane_Banquo
This cutie is pretty cool too. Carrie Ann.....Trinity
40 posted on 05/31/2003 1:56:24 PM PDT by Moosefart
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
Sniff! One of the great love triangles of our time. And who says Romance is dead?
41 posted on 05/31/2003 2:08:17 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (He Who Laughs Last Was Too Dumb To Figure out the Joke First)
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To: PJ-Comix
PJ when are you updating your comics page?

Also, I used to see you arguing with that wingnut Janice *ew*, but you were always calm. *IT* would would always go off the deep end.

I used to post to agc, I've seen Maryane Kehoe there, and I know someone else from here goes there too.
42 posted on 06/01/2003 1:20:27 AM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
pagan? I believe Matrix 2 and 3 are for the hardcore fans of the Matrix. It is not a film to be understood, but felt. The belief system (I hesitate to use the term religion) corollaries abound. Merely the use of a name for "God" diminishes the being, who repeatedly insists that he/she/it be referred to as "I am". The paradox I find intriguing is that we have freedom of choice, but individuals *will* make the choices that implement a destiny that is pre-ordained.
43 posted on 06/01/2003 1:49:27 AM PDT by I_dmc
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To: ConsistentLibertarian
But it seems to me that If one wants to do everything possible to make a marriage (or any intimate relationship) work, one has to make it safe for one's partner to talk about their deepest, kinkiest, wildest sexual desires and fantasies. People aren't often good at even KNOWING these things, so it's not as easy as saying "hey, you can tell me". One has to probe, experiment, be open and emotionally available, and always, always, always, communicate.

Very well said.......

Bravo!

44 posted on 06/01/2003 12:15:55 PM PDT by SeaDragon
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To: I_dmc
The paradox I find intriguing is that we have freedom of choice, but individuals *will* makes the choices that implement a destiny that is preordained.

The paradox you speak of is the core of my orthodox Presbyterian belief in the totality of God's sovereignty. There's either a God who is omnipotent and all-knowing of past, present and future as its Creator, or there is no God. Seems like no middle ground exists.

I thought I saw that thread in Matrix I, but so far, have found it lacking in Matrix II.

I guess the answer lies in Matrix III and how much the Hollywood/pagan/lavender mob/we're-all-just-sparks-of-the-same-flame mentality has paid for the brothers' vision.

45 posted on 06/01/2003 12:45:10 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
PJ when are you updating your comics page?

When I can get some $$$$$$ to do so. At one time ad revenue was easy to obtain. No longer.

Also, I used to see you arguing with that wingnut Janice *ew*, but you were always calm.

Do you mean Peeps? If so, she is okay.

46 posted on 06/01/2003 2:21:53 PM PDT by PJ-Comix (He Who Laughs Last Was Too Dumb To Figure out the Joke First)
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To: I_Love_My_Husband
This one is a little more gray for me. While I think this guy is in some way mentally sick or confused, I think folks should remove his funding or budgets by refusing to see his work. That's not always easy to do and it might not make a difference, at least for some, but it makes a difference for me.
47 posted on 06/01/2003 2:34:46 PM PDT by scripter
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