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Laci's things in tug of war
The Modesto Bee ^ | May 31, 2003 | Garth Stapely and John Cote'

Posted on 05/31/2003 8:41:50 AM PDT by runningbear

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To: justshe
You know I want to say that I heard it either on Greta or LKL and I think it was a neighbor that said they saw them using the pool..and then I saw a post on last night's thread that said they heard Jackie P saying that the pool was dirty and green..
101 posted on 05/31/2003 10:11:30 AM PDT by Jackie-O (Duct tape is my friend...multi purpose!)
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To: spoiler2
and she hopes for full closure in Laci to lay in peace... But as I hear in all murder victim cases, the pain never ceases... ;o(
102 posted on 05/31/2003 10:11:42 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Lanza
That could be, but using the wedding dress as an example, I hear it was recovered from whomever took it, and scott had it drycleaned and boxed up for the family - maybe I read that wrong?

What it looks like, from all that I've seen, The Rochas wanted some stuff that Scott didn't want them to have, such as a glass memento box, so they got mad and took it all anyway...
103 posted on 05/31/2003 10:12:16 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Lanza
That was a crappy thing for Geragos to do - The Rochas could have then gone to court to deal with that, but they chose the wrong way to handle it, imho... too bad, too, because they had seemed to be dealing with this whole thing exceptionally well up to this point...
104 posted on 05/31/2003 10:13:29 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
It will be all ironed out in the end in the probate court, and most likely a civil court... besides the criminal actions on scaughty.. ;o)

My bet is that once the dust settles the Peterson's will move on to other battles. In the meantime Geragos is sitting back and smiling at all the zero's being added to his paycheck.

105 posted on 05/31/2003 10:14:20 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Chad Fairbanks
LOL.. .
106 posted on 05/31/2003 10:17:22 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
your good! ...lol...
107 posted on 05/31/2003 10:18:39 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: clouda
This makes me sick when people pass and there is a tug of war over things...you would not believe the 3yr $16,000.00 battle I had to go thru to recover my late ex-husband's estate for my young children! Ugliness, and not nessesary.
Jackie is cold blooded.
108 posted on 05/31/2003 10:19:54 AM PDT by Jackie-O (Duct tape is my friend...multi purpose!)
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To: runningbear
Thanks. I'm just trying to be reasonable and logical, that's all... ;0)
109 posted on 05/31/2003 10:19:58 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: MaggieMay
My only concern is the Peterson's are going to try to use this a an appeal down the road,they have already said that they "suspect" the Rocha's could plant evidence against Scott.

Except that if it were still a crime scene than the police would not have released it, the Peterson's should not have been in it (Prosecutors will bring up this inconsistency) and as another poster stated "Geragos is lazy" if he hadn't already gone through the house asap when he took the case. My feeling is that this will soon be a non-issue for the Peterson's, especially if the prosecutors get the autopsy reports unsealed.

110 posted on 05/31/2003 10:21:27 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Jackie-O
Thanks, Jackie.

Interesting the difference in reports. A pool WOULD go stagnant and water quality would start to decay if not properly maintained on a regular basis (dirty and green).

And it happens, IIRC from my days of pool ownership, quite quickly (dependent of course on the amt of chlorine etc. in the pool to begin with).

If I had been the neighbor observing the defense team using the pool...you can bet I would have taped/photographed such antics!
111 posted on 05/31/2003 10:21:28 AM PDT by justshe
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To: runningbear
I think it is good that Laci's family got in there to grab what they could of their daughter's family stuff.
Let's face it, if it was left there, it would be sold at auction or garage sale for the defense of her husband and that would put all of furnishings and little things in the hands of strangers instead of her family.
112 posted on 05/31/2003 10:24:11 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: BonnieJ
Not sure on the jewelry. Most likely, my first impression is that Jackie has it! Just a hunch. From all her actions, and trying to save ol scaughty boy, she is going for broke.

Every married couple's nightmare of a mother-inlaw. ;o)

I have only heard of one other murder case, not capitol that geragos is taking in LA, not sure of his win or loss stats. But I am sure if there are some legal minds here, please post it!

Yes, and I found listening to the KTVU clips on yesterday's stories, is telling on the actions Geragos is doing.

Only time will tell.

113 posted on 05/31/2003 10:24:14 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Well, I don't believe for one minute if he got that dress cleaned it was to give to the Rochas. Why would anyone believe a word from SP at this point? He lied repeatedly from the moment he told the Rocha's Laci was missing.

There has not been one documented lie come out of the Rocha family camp. Scott's very demented mother on the other hand, calls up shows and repeatedly tells false hoods. My favorite was even AFTER the Rocha's were shown the pics of Amber, Jackie Peterson told Dan Abrams SP was not having an affair and the pictures were probably just anyone taken at a party. No matter how many lies her son tells, she's willing to go along for the ride and cover for him. I heard Jackie tell Dan Abrams they were lending SP the car he was driving when arrested. Hmm.. a report came out later that SP had bought that car with cash from some guy in the auto trader mag. Lies, lies and more lies.

How's this one from Jackie; she told Greta THIS WEEK that there was NOTHING left of Laci's in that house anyway after the police went through it. I would be curious as to what personal items the Rochas retrieved. Obviously, now that Laci is gone Jackie doesn't consider any of the things Laci and Scott had together as Laci's.

Is it true that in a court of law if a person has been proven to have given untruthful testimony you can discount their entire testimony as a juror? Well, I go by that rule in the court of public opinion too. The Petersons are a big fat bunch of liars and the Rochas are not.
114 posted on 05/31/2003 10:24:30 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: runningbear
Hi rb, and thanks for the ping! I running late (as usual). Have a nice weekend!
115 posted on 05/31/2003 10:24:32 AM PDT by Sandylapper
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To: clouda
About Laci's wedding rings:

Please forgive me, I haven't read all the posts here (or all the threads or all the news), but why are the rings being spoken of as though Laci was not wearing them when she disappeared? Did she not wear them ALL THE TIME?

Or is it that were they still on her fingers when her body was recovered?
116 posted on 05/31/2003 10:25:12 AM PDT by exlibris
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To: runningbear
Ah probate court...I spent 3 years there....
And yes the other side got real ugly and in the end the judge told them they were bad people to keep continuting a case that they will surely loose in the end..only thing they were doing was costing me more money and litterly hurting their own grandchildren.
Judge was a wise man!
117 posted on 05/31/2003 10:25:34 AM PDT by Jackie-O (Duct tape is my friend...multi purpose!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I agree the Rochas have handled themselves so classy through all of this, but a person can only take so much. Laci was Sharon's baby and always will be. Jackie Peterson's child is alive, and she acts like she is in more pain than the Rochas. That would be impossible.

118 posted on 05/31/2003 10:27:20 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: justshe
I think from LKL.....
119 posted on 05/31/2003 10:29:26 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: justshe
Pics would have brought some $ from NE, for sure!! ;0)
120 posted on 05/31/2003 10:29:54 AM PDT by Jackie-O (Duct tape is my friend...multi purpose!)
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To: Lanza
Well, unlike everyone else, I'm not willing to try cases in the media - I'll wait for the evidence showing Scot guilty of murder - until then, he's just an unfaithful liar, which is bad, but doesn't make him automatically guilty of murder...

That being said, The Rochas broke ito a home and removed stuff that did not belong to them. So, on one side we have liars, and on another side we have thieves... That much is fact - the rest can wait until trial...
121 posted on 05/31/2003 10:29:55 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: jdontom
sure do!... A top of the morning to ya....;o)
122 posted on 05/31/2003 10:30:04 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Not really, I think her family realized the stuff she had or was given her by her side of the family which were memories for them would have been sold to strangers cheap for defense change.
That would leave their daughter's possessions in the hands of strangers and not her own families that would treasure them.
I really don't blame them at all.
I have also read his side of the family had access all the time there. So there was some cruel games being played here against Laci's family.
123 posted on 05/31/2003 10:30:05 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: exlibris
That's a question we would all like answered. however, I imagine SP will say her fingers were swollen and she didn't wear them, but I want to know if Amy Rocha saw her wearing them on the 23rd.
124 posted on 05/31/2003 10:30:14 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: exlibris; All
Laci's girlfriends, in the Dec. 11th timeframe, stated Laci was complaining of shortness of breath and ankles swelling. I would suspect, she had stopped wearing her rings because of fluid retention.
125 posted on 05/31/2003 10:30:44 AM PDT by MaggieMay (A blank tag is a terrible thing to waste)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I'm still not totally convinced of his guilt. It's unfortunate that case like this get tried in the media long before they reach a courtroom. Quitre frankly, I'm beginnig to dislike Laci's family as much as I dislike Scott's - it's tragic under the circumstances, that what we are seeing is the worst coming out in everyone involved... not just one side...

I think the Modesto Police have seized everything that could be used as evidence, so I don't think The Rochas took anything that could be used to help either side. The Rochas are human, if they went ballistic over the leaked autopsy findings then I can't blame them. It is in their best interests as well for this case not to be undermined by crooked attorneys and the media.

I don't know about all the baby furniture, but the Rochas have a right to request and receive family heirlooms and jewelry. Jackie Peterson and the defense team could have been gracious about the request, but I don't think that would have occured to them : (

126 posted on 05/31/2003 10:31:36 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: clouda
"That's a 'no-way,'" Peterson said about giving the box to the Rochas.

It is not known where the box is today.

so telling of Jackie....although I could go to other names....lol.. ;o)

127 posted on 05/31/2003 10:31:39 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Lanza
Is it true that in a court of law if a person has been proven to have given untruthful testimony you can discount their entire testimony as a juror? Well, I go by that rule in the court of public opinion too. The Petersons are a big fat bunch of liars and the Rochas are not.

I agree with you. (I think you mean witness and not juror though).

128 posted on 05/31/2003 10:31:54 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: A CA Guy
AGREE!!
129 posted on 05/31/2003 10:32:11 AM PDT by Jackie-O (Duct tape is my friend...multi purpose!)
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To: A CA Guy
You raise good points - I still think the Rochas could have handled it differently in this instance to - they had the moral high ground up to now, but lost it as far as I'm concerned. Maybe if I hadn't had someone break into my car this week and take stuff that didn't belong to them, I'd have more sympathy for them, but I can't abide liars (the Peterson's) and I certainly can't abide thieves (The Rochas)...

130 posted on 05/31/2003 10:32:41 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: WellsFargo94
I agree the Rochas are not liars. They are thieves, though, which is just as bad...
131 posted on 05/31/2003 10:33:44 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Lanza
Thanks for the response, Lanza!

I'll try to keep my ears tuned to the subject from now on. I find it a compelling question.
132 posted on 05/31/2003 10:33:45 AM PDT by exlibris
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To: exlibris
...the rings being spoken of as though Laci was not wearing them when she disappeared? Did she not wear them ALL THE TIME? Or is it that were they still on her fingers when her body was recovered?

That is the million dollar question isn't it? My thinking is that she had no hands when body was recovered, so just how did Scaughty come by these? This is another reason that Geragos and the Peterson's are just STUPID with trying to sway public opionion, because it always has come back to bite them in the butt.

133 posted on 05/31/2003 10:36:15 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Chad Fairbanks
No, I don't think so. Seems Jackie and clan are into games of possessions. If the Rocha's waited, what would be left, and would they really be able to get it back, even if the courts ruled in their behalf?

Frankly, a blessing they did what they had to do. Peterson's were of no help to remain 'friends' to the Rocha's, so you got yesterday's events.

I think, which I would know better, just might have gotten as emotional as the Rocha's to salvage what was left of my sibling. It is a life long mother protection aspect here.

134 posted on 05/31/2003 10:36:26 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: RGSpincich
heeheee... good morning RG.. ;o)
135 posted on 05/31/2003 10:37:31 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: MizSterious
I think this entire thing was just a psyche war against the Rochas. The police have removed all evidence; if Geragos hadn't gotten it all by now, he's just plain lazy or careless. In my opinion, the Petersons and their legal team knew they could hurt the Rochas, so they kept them out. I know the Petersons are fighting for their son's life, but shame on 'em for this.

Imagine deliberately trying to hurt people in this situation. Unbelievable. Let's see them try and clean up this PR nightmare, because the Petersons have really stepped in it this time. I started out having sympathy but not anymore, and I certainly have no respect for them either.

136 posted on 05/31/2003 10:38:47 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: WellsFargo94
When my wife was preggers, both times she could not wear her rings because her fingers got fat...

I mean, they make maternity clothes for a reason - when people are pregnant, they gain weight. One could logically conclude that their fingers might ALSO get bigger...

but that's too easy - It's more likely that she was pregnant, but kept the same ring size and Scott cut off her hands when he killed her and took the rings...
137 posted on 05/31/2003 10:39:05 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Lanza; runningbear
That's a question we would all like answered. however, I imagine SP will say her fingers were swollen and she didn't wear them, but I want to know if Amy Rocha saw her wearing them on the 23rd.

Can someone post the pic of Laci in her red pant suit to see if her rings were on her? Or any other Christmas time photos where her hands might be visible?

138 posted on 05/31/2003 10:39:05 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: runningbear
In all reality the house belongs to the lender. If the Peterson's don't make the mortgage payments the house goes to the lender and I don't know how they could afford to pay the payments with their rising attorney costs. Maybe they were planning on defraying those cost's allowing the defense team to stay there. I heard they were using the pool! The Peterson's are PO'd because furniture was taken and Geragos will have to sleep on the floor instead of the crib!
139 posted on 05/31/2003 10:39:34 AM PDT by fxrdeb
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To: RGSpincich
and I thank you...;o)

I see we are going to have a wonderful day in Mr. Rogers neighborhood!...lol...

140 posted on 05/31/2003 10:40:20 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
Morally., maybe they were in the right. Legally, that's anothe rcan of worms - and, since this is a nation of laws, I have to go with the law on this, regardless of personal feelings and emotions. Legally, they committed Theft. I wish they hadn't...
141 posted on 05/31/2003 10:41:12 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Jackie-O
Makes you wonder.....IF PICS EXISTED (which they don't)....just WHO would have paid more, NE or Geragos, as I would imagine he would NOT be happy to have such unseemly behavior exposed.
142 posted on 05/31/2003 10:41:40 AM PDT by justshe
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Apparently law enforcement didn't consider them thieves. They watched the whole thing, and they were not arrested.

SP is not just an unfaithful liar. He's a very cruel human being that was selling off Laci's things before she was found without any consideration for her family (think her car). The Rocha's were out there defending him the first few weeks, and look how he has treated them. Very cold indeed. I think that type of selfish cruel behavior says a lot about a person.

However, just because he's a jerk I wouldn't convict the guy. Unfortunately, there's a whole bunch of other things out there that points to guilt. He couldn't prove where he was that day he went fishing. He can't even remember the bait he used to go fishing. That's just one of MANY things that don't look to hot for Scott (we won't even get into unexplained cement bags, receipts for ankle weights that can't be found etc..)

143 posted on 05/31/2003 10:42:42 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: runningbear
"He (Geragos) called us in a very loud, very boisterous manner (on Thursday) and said he's not going to allow anyone in the house...I called Sharon and this is right after she heard about the autopsy report and she was very emotional as you can understand and she just said 'I've got to do something.'"

Maybe Sharon Rocha had a feeling that Jackie Peterson was planning on taking all the items beforehand, and decided to beat her to it. After all, Jackie's behavior this far has been pretty nasty, so I wouldn't put it past her to snatch the wedding dress etc out of spite.

144 posted on 05/31/2003 10:42:42 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: WellsFargo94
that is why Jackie and Petersons, are collecting as much valuables as they can to pay for sp's costs...

Wonder if any of the Peterson's refied their homes yet? ;o)

145 posted on 05/31/2003 10:43:57 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I mean, they make maternity clothes for a reason - when people are pregnant, they gain weight. One could logically conclude that their fingers might ALSO get bigger...

When pregnant with all of my children I could still take my rings on and off. Don't know if this is the case with Laci or not. I'm going to check out some of the pictures at her website and see what I can find.

146 posted on 05/31/2003 10:44:17 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: Chad Fairbanks
you'd be good either side at this point on the jury....lol...
147 posted on 05/31/2003 10:44:51 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: WellsFargo94
Yep, I meant witness tells untruth, but the jury is instructed they can discount the entire testimony of that person. Thanks for correcting me.
148 posted on 05/31/2003 10:44:54 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I don't think they lost the high ground at all, just think about it:
#1 She dies and before the body is discovered, he sells her car and other stuff.
#2 Dad gets a hoity toity expensive lawyer who will no doubt be looking to take the home and stuff inside for pay, maybe soon.

So if they didn't act now, then they would be never able to have their daughter's and sister's stuff which is precious to the family.
It would go to strangers for the lawyers money.

Lawyers or her family, who should get stuff?
You don't know lawyers maybe, but if they didn't do this now, the stuff wouldn't be there later to take.

It was now or never, and with the other side in there constantly, you want to bet the neighbors had a part in telling them when to come in there?
149 posted on 05/31/2003 10:45:05 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Lanza
I still see no evidence that is a slam-dunk to convict - unless you know something the rest of us don't, and if THAT is case, where were YOU on Christmas Eve???? ;0)

As I've stated, early and often, I really hate Trial By Media - I've never claimed Scott Peterson to be a good person (it's obvious he isn't), but this latest incident doesn't show anyone involved in a good light...
150 posted on 05/31/2003 10:45:08 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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