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Laci's things in tug of war
The Modesto Bee ^ | May 31, 2003 | Garth Stapely and John Cote'

Posted on 05/31/2003 8:41:50 AM PDT by runningbear

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To: RGSpincich; Defiant; Chad Fairbanks
Scroll down, three page document. : )

Oh, they had a POA. That shoots down the "the Petersons did it so the Rocha's should be able to".

The Rochas just threw the law aside and entered someone else's house and stole things. What a dumb thing to do.

151 posted on 05/31/2003 10:45:22 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (This tag line may be closer than it appears in the mirror.)
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To: A CA Guy
I totally agree.

can you say, Ebay?

152 posted on 05/31/2003 10:45:57 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Sandylapper
good morning..
153 posted on 05/31/2003 10:47:26 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: A CA Guy
Well, if they had taken it to court, and contested the property, isn't it possible that the property could have then been in legal limbo until it was all sorted out, emaning that no one could take the property, or claim ownership, until it was concluded?

It may not grant immediate results, but I'm assuming that there had to have been a LEGAL way for them to deal with this... if not, then I stand corrected...
154 posted on 05/31/2003 10:47:33 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
By the way, the pictures show from what I can see a $59 chair and the boxspring for a crib, how horrible must that be for the family?
They are thinking of both the child still as well as their daughter.
155 posted on 05/31/2003 10:47:51 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: WellsFargo94
Good idea wells!

Even better is if Laci had her rings widen (like I did in pregnancy) and there is a jeweler out there that did it.
156 posted on 05/31/2003 10:48:16 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: WellsFargo94
When pregnant with all of my children I could still take my rings on and off.

Wow... you must be a lucky woman LOL (I bet other women here read that and got jealous ;0) )

157 posted on 05/31/2003 10:48:26 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: exlibris
in answering on Clouda's post, good point!

Laci could have, and listed in the coroner's report of CoCo County...Haven't heard otherwise. So, MIA?

158 posted on 05/31/2003 10:48:59 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
The stuff inside was smatta, so not EBAY, I think the stuff would have been spirited to his side of the family who had access all the time to that home.
159 posted on 05/31/2003 10:49:13 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Jackie-O
I know how it is, my grandmother, and seen the stuff my neighbor's sister put her brother thru... not a pretty sight!

Stinks if you ask me.

What they say, a will is crap, must have a living trust... ;o)

160 posted on 05/31/2003 10:50:45 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
For the record, I don't like the concept of trial by media either. If you noticed, on this thread, I'm mostly expressing opinions (and that's all that they are) about the behavior of the lawyers and the family. I'm leaning towards the "he's guilty" side, but we haven't seen much actual evidence (just spin). I have no idea what the State's case will look like.

But Geragos' tactics are kind of slimy, from the "declaration of war" against the grieving parents, all the way to the leaks. And I have to say, the satanic cult defense just really sounds hokey--almost as hokey as "we know who did it and we will prove it" sounds. If they already know, they should turn it over to the police--several attorneys have said that as officers of the court, it's their duty to turn it over to the police. They haven't, which makes it look pretty bogus. My opinion--Geragos and company are making Peterson look really, really guilty.

161 posted on 05/31/2003 10:51:01 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I think if they wanted this stuff they did the only and right thing.
Are they going to spend $10,000 contesting maybe $2,000 in stuff in court.

This for them puts some stuff to rest. It was closure in part and they deserved that.
162 posted on 05/31/2003 10:51:43 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
I heard that most of the furniture taken (wicker chair set, stained glass lamp) was given to Laci from her grandmother. They also took unopened Christmas gifts, and stuff like diplomas, pictures. That's all they have left of Laci, so I can understand their desperation.
163 posted on 05/31/2003 10:53:02 AM PDT by arichtaxpayer (We will not tire. We will not falter. And we will not fail.)
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To: MizSterious
His lawyers certainly don't appear to be helping. True enough... Still doesn't negate what the Rochas did though... We can't just give them a pass on this because they had their feelings hurt by leaked reports, and we can't just give them a pass because the Peterson Family is a pack of scumbags...

Well, maybe everyone else can, but I can't...
164 posted on 05/31/2003 10:53:44 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
You don't know lawyers, when you contest items in court, only the lawyers get the items.

Had one friend decades ago left with a $250,000 lawyer bill from his divorce and my own sister had a $60,000 bill over nothing, so if you are smart, you take what you want and later let the other side decide if they want to spend $20,000 trying to get back $500.
165 posted on 05/31/2003 10:55:30 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
Are they going to spend $10,000 contesting maybe $2,000 in stuff in court.

This for them puts some stuff to rest. It was closure in part and they deserved that.

Oh, well, ok. You convinced me. SInce they did it for 'Closure', then let's give them a pass on their actions. After all, everyone knows that the most important thing in life is 'closure'...

If they really wanted 'closure', then $10,000 dollars in legal fees is chump change - can one put a price on 'closure'?

166 posted on 05/31/2003 10:56:01 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: A CA Guy
Oh, ok. Good advice. SInce laywers will screw us, let's break the law...

Ok, I'm in!!!!
167 posted on 05/31/2003 10:56:52 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
I hadn't heard that about the house--now if cleaning the house isn't changing a "crime scene," I don't know what is!
168 posted on 05/31/2003 10:57:26 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I think this is a little bit too strong

" certainly can't abide thieves (The Rochas)... "

I understand what your saying, but as RG stated, the house is still currently 50/50 of Laci and Scott. Until Probate! And since that is the case, anything of Laci's values from Laci's parents would be, in my humble opinion, theirs, NOT scott's nor the Lee and Jackie peterson's show!

This is civil, and that is why the police were on 'stand-by'..... If criminal, they, Rocha's would of been arrested on the spot.

okay, bookmarking... have errands to take care of today...

Oh, scroll down to the power of attorney docs

Sailingacross

Might help ya some in this civil matter, not criminal matter.

169 posted on 05/31/2003 10:59:22 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Absolutly they get a pass. Why let the lawyers end up with her stuff?
Why go to court and pay $10,000 to get possessions valued at $1000. Let the other side spend $20,000 chasing the issue in court instead.

This issue is over. The expense of chasing this isn't worth it.
That is why it would have been prohibitive for Laci's family to act through the court. That would be INSANE cost wise!

Would you through away $25,000 in court or just go get your sister's belongings for your mother yourself as well? I would.
170 posted on 05/31/2003 10:59:42 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Defiant
"If the wife dies, it belongs to the husband 100 percent, including the right to determine who goes in there."

Are you speaking for your state, or the state of California? And if the latter, are you an attorney? I ask because some California attorneys on FNC insisted otherwise--that the house is not in fact owned by Scott until this case is decided one way or the other. If he is found guilty, they say, the house will go to Laci's heirs, probably her parents.

171 posted on 05/31/2003 10:59:50 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: MizSterious
The Petersons have been moving stuff out of the house, staying there, swimming in the pool.

Trashy.
172 posted on 05/31/2003 11:01:20 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: runningbear
Did they, or did they not go into a home (which did not belong to them) and remove truckloads of items (which did not belong to them)?

A simple yes or no will suffice. No need for, "Well yes, but they did it because...". A simple yes or no? If yes, then no matter what the reasoning or excuses, it was Theft. If they did not do that, then I am wrong....

173 posted on 05/31/2003 11:01:49 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: MizSterious
I ask because some California attorneys on FNC insisted otherwise--that the house is not in fact owned by Scott until this case is decided one way or the other. If he is found guilty, they say, the house will go to Laci's heirs, probably her parents.

Exactly.

And the Rochas attorneys contend that because there is no death certificate, the Rochas have just as much right in that house as do the Petersons, regardless of their POA; Scott CANNOT benefit from a crime he committed.

174 posted on 05/31/2003 11:02:42 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: WellsFargo94
Not sure if you can see anything

these are most likely the last near her disappearance pics taken.

175 posted on 05/31/2003 11:02:59 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: runningbear
Aren't refies a matter of public record? They are in the state I live in.
176 posted on 05/31/2003 11:03:14 AM PDT by justshe
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To: A CA Guy
Why go to court and pay $10,000 to get possessions valued at $1000. Let the other side spend $20,000 chasing the issue in court instead.

Cool! Cuz my sister-in-law has some really cool stuff that I'd like to have...

177 posted on 05/31/2003 11:03:16 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: fxrdeb
LOL... too funny....
178 posted on 05/31/2003 11:03:41 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
understand.... ;o)
179 posted on 05/31/2003 11:04:11 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Howlin
Scott CANNOT benefit from a crime he committed

Sorry, Howlin, I have to call you on that - he hasn't been convicted yet. Once he's convicted, then you are correct. Until then, it's still his home...

180 posted on 05/31/2003 11:04:41 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
You are going to be one broke fellow later in life if you pursue all your issues through court.

They were her family and there is a gray area there where it wouldn't be said they out-right broke the law.

You would suggest every-time there is a dispute over $1000 worth of stuff that you would go to court and spend upward of $10,000 in court with a smile on your face.
No way!

If you really want something like they did, you have to get it. Otherwise, who ever is in possession of this stuff if it goes to court automatically gets it.
That's pretty much how I've ever seen it work.
I've never seen charges pressed in family courts over this kind of action either. Especially not with the parents and brother of a murder victim.
181 posted on 05/31/2003 11:06:09 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I think even though the Rocha's at first gave all doubt in this case, little by little stuff has eroded it, and now with all the hoopla of the Geragos team, most likely it was that, which broke the camel's back, so to speak for the Rocha's. They are (Petersons)despictable people!
182 posted on 05/31/2003 11:06:49 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I am not saying it is a "slam-dunk" concerning what we know. I have to believe the police have much more including forensics. Laci was ruled a homicide before she was ever found, after police spent 2 days in that house. Chandra Levy was never ruled a homicide until she was found.

I will not be a candidate for the jury, because I don't live in CA. I can have an opinion and it is this; I believe SP is guilty just on his horrid behavior from the moment his wife went missing. Calling your mistress and saying "I want to spend my life with you" when the entire country is out looking for your wife sounds as cold as it gets. Even if he was at a loss of romantic feelings for Laci (it happens in the best of marraiges), if he cared about her as a human being the girlfriend would not be top priority when Laci was missing not to mention hihs baby.


I confess I could not be an "open minded juror" on this case.
I think the guy is a sociopath (I believe that is the term Mark Geragoes called him on one show before he took the case saying "if he did this" while insisting the police should be getting an arrest warrant for SP).
183 posted on 05/31/2003 11:07:33 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: Chad Fairbanks
CF, maybe you should look up California law before you state that matter of factly. From what the attorneys are saying, it would appear the house is sort of in limbo, and even though Laci is dead, she is still 50% owner of the house--which is to say, it's not "his" either and won't be unless he's exonerated.
184 posted on 05/31/2003 11:07:54 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Actually, it's in limbo, which is exactly why the Rocha attorneys have been trying to get Geragos to do the right thing for the last month.

Because he is accused of her murder, he just cannot dispose of her belongings; the people who would be her heirs when he is convicted have a right to ask the court to STOP him from doing just that; they have that right.

Leaving aside the fact that it makes him look guiltier and guiltier; claiming that they can't go in because it's a crime scene after HE tried to SELL the house within weeks of her disappearance strikes me as JUST a little bit disengenuous.
185 posted on 05/31/2003 11:08:05 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: A CA Guy
Well, I havn't been in this situation - no one in my family will put me in their will (for their own protection, I'm sure)... that being said, I understand the 'moral' argument you are making... However, this is just another example of two families fighting over material things (liek the crib - it's not like the baby ever USED it, so where, really, is there any 'sentimental value' in it?) after a tragic death - saw it any times in my own family, and was disgusted by them too...

Bottom line is, no matter how it's spinned, it was theft...
186 posted on 05/31/2003 11:08:34 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: arichtaxpayer
I totally think the family was taking back what went into the home before the marriage that was with her and her family for decades.
The family treasures would be sold or confiscated by lawyers if they didn't go in there.

Being only his family had access to the place, it is obvious the other side never intended to give the stuff back.

They maybe would have given back diplomas, but that was about all.
187 posted on 05/31/2003 11:08:54 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Does it make any difference to you that the DA's office told the Rochas they could go in the house?
188 posted on 05/31/2003 11:09:49 AM PDT by Lanza
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To: MizSterious
wacky jackie said so, from Greta, and LKL....
189 posted on 05/31/2003 11:10:40 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
However, this is just another example of two families fighting over material things

Actually, this is no such thing; it's an example of a heartless family denying another family access to their dead child's possession JUST BECAUSE THEY THINK THEY CAN.

190 posted on 05/31/2003 11:12:25 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: Lanza
Makes no difference to me - it's not the DA's house - he also has no right to give people permission to go in to someone elses home and take other people's property... If the DA did that, then it may be time to find youself a new DA
191 posted on 05/31/2003 11:14:42 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
I understand your moral issue, but the facts are that when the court system gets involved, it can cost $20,000 to get back a box of chicklets.
They did the right and only thing they could do unless they are a wealthy family with money to burn in court.

If everybody had endless wealth to go into family court to do this I would have no argument. But the system as it stands favors the side in possession of the goods and makes the other side who wants the stuff pay a fortune.

The other issue is the stuff could have disappeared from the house by the time $20,000 was spent to get it back.
That also is common when only one side has access to property.

My sister left her ex and had a thousand pounds of living room furniture that the ex claimed must have been stolen or was taken by my sister.
In court it was established that he never called to cops to make a report of a theft and he never asked my sister if she had taken it when it was missing.
The courts gave a (Oh well that happens all the time) kind of reply.

You can't wait therefore and need to go get your stuff.
192 posted on 05/31/2003 11:16:24 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: MizSterious; Howlin
Ok, so the house is in 'Limbo'... it still doesn't belong to the Rocha's - which means, as I said, they entered a home where they had no legal right to do so, and removed property which they had no lega right to remove - which equals THEFT. Period.

Regardless of why they did it... "Our feelings wee hurt" "People were mean to us" "Society made us do it" whatever... excuses, nothing more...
193 posted on 05/31/2003 11:17:30 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
yeah know, you just can't read what Laci gave in either circumstances prior to her missing, and death of who had permission to come to her house, and same to the Peterson. As it was stated from the beginning, several people had keys, access to the house. And since the death certs are not filed, prior access still holds, only difference is, scaughty's parents hold scaughty's half interest until, (my opinion). So, sorry, no "no or yes" answers would do for me...

And, have to say, ya such a great debater....;o))

194 posted on 05/31/2003 11:17:42 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: justshe
yes they are if you have the info to look it up in each county of where the property(s) is(are) located.
195 posted on 05/31/2003 11:19:03 AM PDT by runningbear (Lurkers beware, Freeping is public opinions based on facts, theories, and news online.......)
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To: Howlin
Correct Howlin and it would cost a small fortune in court to get family stuff back.
Meanwhile with only one side having access, stuff could spirit away in no time.

That family did the right thing.

It also gave them a small bit of power in a horrible situation.

We are looking at a box spring for a baby bed in one picture for heaven's sake...that is heart breaking.
196 posted on 05/31/2003 11:19:18 AM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: Chad Fairbanks
Evidently the Modesto Police Department and the DA didn't think it was theft; nobody was arrested.

They stated it was a civil matter; and I, for one, am glad to see the Rochas stand up and stop taking crap from Mark Geragos and the Petersons.
197 posted on 05/31/2003 11:20:01 AM PDT by Howlin
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To: runningbear
You raise an interesting point - the whole Prior Access thing, etc...

The thing that makes me not like what they did (aside form my own twisted sense of legalism) is that they had a list of 22 items, which they paired down to 16, of things they wanted of Laci's... 7-8 truckloads of stuff makes me seem to think they took a LOT more than they originally wanted. That raises all kinds of alarms in my head...

198 posted on 05/31/2003 11:20:19 AM PDT by Chad Fairbanks (A blind man received a cheese grater as a gift - said it was the most violent thing he had ever read)
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To: runningbear
Does anyone have the capability to enlarge these pics focusing on her hands?

It always amazes me when seeing Scott pose with Laci in this picture vs. seeing him pose with Amber. He looks so much happier with Amber...very telling.

199 posted on 05/31/2003 11:21:42 AM PDT by WellsFargo94
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To: A CA Guy
What would you do if you had to sit and listen to that crap Mark Geragos spews day in and day out, cults, mystery women, brown vans, not to mention his leaking of that DREADFUL autopsy about Connor, all the while knowing he won't give you your daughter's DIPLOMA and wedding dress.

If I had been out there, I would have gone with them.
200 posted on 05/31/2003 11:22:59 AM PDT by Howlin
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