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Outsourcing, visa curbs not in US interest: Congressman
Economic Times of India ^ | May 29, 2003

Posted on 06/01/2003 4:11:54 AM PDT by sarcasm

NEW DELHI: While the bills introduced to limit outsourcing and L-1 visas in the US Congress and state legislatures should be treated with a degree of seriousness, there is no need to lose sleep over it.

It is not in the interest of the US to take the protectionist path, feels US Congressman Jay Inslee. The congressman was addressing a CII forum on “Globalisation & Business Process Outsourcing: Win Win for India and the US” in Delhi today.

According to Mr Inslee, while these bills — whether those introduced in the state legislatures or the one introduced by Representative John Mica — seem to have captured the Indian imagination, they are not on the Congress’ radar. He emphasised the need to keep the issues in perspective. However, Mr Inslee added that since September 11, there has been a new urgency for greater security in the US.

What should provide comfort to India is the fact that protectionist efforts, like John Mica’s bill, are considered by many in the US political establishment as impediments to trade. As Mr Inslee put it: “If we want access to the world markets then we can’t create barriers to flow of intellectual capacity.” It is in the interest of the US economy to help the Indian economy grow, he said. “As long as there are 300 million Indian who earn less than $1 a day, there is not much hope of them buying US products.”

While Mr Inslee presented an optimistic picture, he did caution that the issue of outsourcing and L-1 visas is a public issue. This is what makes it difficult. In recent times, Americans have been feeling threatened by outsourcing and this creates anxiety at various levels. He suggested that a good way of dealing with public anxiety was to get the Indian-American community involved in the political process in an active way.

Congressman Inslee said that the people of the US are optimistic and believe in their technical capabilities. Under this environment, protectionism in trade is not logically supported in the US. He believed that the knee-jerk reaction from the Americans is not going to work for long. However, he advised the Indian community and businesses to be observant and sensitive to the issue and continue dialogues at various levels with their US counterparts.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: jayinslee; l1; outsourcing; protectionism; washington
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1 posted on 06/01/2003 4:11:55 AM PDT by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
We've keep hearing this same garbage over and over again.

NAFTA = "Mexicans will grow economically and buy lots of products from the US." - NOT! A large number of US jobs were lost. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED.

China - "Trade with China will open up a market of 1 billion Chinese consumers for the US." NOT!

And the latest version of this lie:

“As long as there are 300 million Indian who earn less than $1 a day, there is not much hope of them buying US products.”

2 posted on 06/01/2003 4:23:33 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Outsourcing is killing off one of the few remaining high paid sectors of the American workforce, i.e. computer programmers.
3 posted on 06/01/2003 4:25:56 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Congress is for sale.
4 posted on 06/01/2003 4:27:53 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: AmericaUnited
Yeah, call HP for tech support and talk to "Nancy." You probably couldn't pronounce her real name and English is definitely a second language to her.
5 posted on 06/01/2003 4:31:53 AM PDT by doodad
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To: sarcasm
It is not in the interest of the US to take the protectionist path, feels US Congressman Jay Inslee.

We need to outsource his job and the office jobs his staff does. To India and Mexico. I hear corrupt hacks go for cheap down there. Then see what tune he sings. These ******* in DC are way too insulated from the consequences of their actions . DITTOS for the Congressional staff who are responsible for keeping the wheels spinning in Wash DC.

6 posted on 06/01/2003 4:32:28 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: CyberCowboy777; bigfootbob; sakka
There are hundreds of unemployed people in Jay's district. I'm gonna write my first letter to him about the fact there are a million foreigners here on visas, doing work that Americans can do.

Shame on him....

7 posted on 06/01/2003 4:34:26 AM PDT by Drango (There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
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To: sarcasm; Clemenza; PARodrig; RaceBannon; dennisw
Another lackey for corporate interests. The Dinos and Rinos should merge and form the transnational corporate party and stop pretending to be Americans.
8 posted on 06/01/2003 4:37:13 AM PDT by Cacique
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To: sarcasm
Jay Inslee Democrat representative from Washington. First, it is not "protectionist" to stop the H1B and L1 visa programs. According to the laws authorizing these programs they are only to provide temporary workers for American industries that are unable to find Americans to fill the positions at the prevailing wage or greater. In short while we are experiencing serious unemployment in our nation Representative Inslee is working hard to improve India's economy.
9 posted on 06/01/2003 4:39:08 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
While the bills introduced to limit outsourcing and L-1 visas in the US Congress and state legislatures should be treated with a degree of seriousness, there is no need to lose sleep over it.

LOL! This guy seems more like a representative of India than a representative of a US house district.

10 posted on 06/01/2003 4:39:21 AM PDT by SwordofTruth
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To: sarcasm
“As long as there are 300 million Indian who earn less than $1 a day, there is not much hope of them buying US products.”

So what Mr Inslee wants is for the average wage in the US and India to equalize. A question for Mr. Inslee is as follows: "Just what American products do you expect to sell in India when there are no Americans producing anything anymore?"

11 posted on 06/01/2003 4:43:40 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: SwordofTruth; harpseal
Jay is recognized as a tireless supporter of Microsoft and the worldwide protection of intellectual property.
12 posted on 06/01/2003 5:01:42 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: sarcasm
Can we outsource Congres? It would be the best start to saving American, IMHO.
13 posted on 06/01/2003 5:02:58 AM PDT by Beck_isright (When Senator Byrd landed on an aircraft carrier, the blacks were forced below shoveling coal...)
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To: Beck_isright
It is not in the interest of working people in this country to vote for politicians like Congressman Inslee. How does he feel about that line of reasoning?
14 posted on 06/01/2003 5:05:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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But early figures indicate that redistricting might hurt Inslee, who has received more from Microsoft and its employees than any other congressman. In 2002, he collected more than $83,000 from Microsoft, nearly $50,000 less than for the previous election. Inslee attributes the change to his lack of strong competition.
15 posted on 06/01/2003 5:06:30 AM PDT by sarcasm (Tancredo 2004)
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To: harpseal
So what Mr Inslee wants is for the average wage in the US and India to equalize.

The average Indian isn't paying huge taxes to support peace keeping, humanitarian and diplomatic missions around the world. The average Indian isn't paying for the added costs of "code compliance", "litigation", "pension funds" and other hidden taxes on every product that is available to them. The employer side of FICA is often greater than the total wage paid to an Indian. Your house is overengineered compared to an one for an Indian, and to comply to local building standards you are forced to pay large sums of money. Granted the water and air is clean, and the power stays on most of the time, but for that privledge (and to purchase that privledge for the millions who don't pay taxes or utility bills), the American must make himself totally uncompetetive against billions of other people who are not saddled with supporting the world's most luxurious hammock.

16 posted on 06/01/2003 5:06:57 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose (Just don't leave any brass with your fingerprints on it behind, OK?)
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To: Cacique
The Dinos and Rinos should merge and form the transnational corporate party and stop pretending to be Americans.

Looks to me like they already have, and it's doing quite well.
17 posted on 06/01/2003 5:09:54 AM PDT by steve50
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To: AmericaUnited
Outsourcing is killing off one of the few remaining high paid sectors of the American workforce, i.e. computer programmers.

If it only was restricted to computer programers... Accounting firms are outsourcing, radiology is now being handled overseas, even the work handled by stock analysts are being performed by those living outside our borders. Nothing will be done until legal work is also handled outside our borders.

Many selfish unpatriotic people that frequent this forum say that this is good because it lowers the costs of goods here in the united States. That may be true. But those who are presently insulated from job exports will find themselves soon competeting with all of those displaced workers who are taking courses right now to occupy those unexported gigs. These people speak lovingly about how their Pocket PC has more features for a lower price. Wow, they saved ten bucks. But those displaced workers are still getting unemployment compensation, they will demand health care services, they will be using up the parks and other services without "paying their fair share" - those who saved ten bucks on their new PDA are paying ten thousand dollars in additional taxes, fees and fines. Does anyone really think that government will get smaller as fewer Americans can dump one third of a six figure paycheck into the tax system?

Then we have national security issues. Personally I think that it is a crime against God and Man to have such a lousy tax system that requires more labor put into it than all of the labor consumed in the auto industry. But now that individual tax returns are being handled by foreigners, it seems that our 1040 forms are really nothing more than ways for the US government to encourage her citizens to shovel cash into large cargo ships and unload them overseas. I don't feel comfortable with non US citizens having so much information about something like the stock market, personal income, investments, business financial projects, legal matters, personal medical data, and other information that has absolutely no legal protections since it is being handled outside the judicial grasp of the united States.

For those who love outsourcing because in the short run it saves them a few dollars, don't ever call yourself an American or consider yourself wise.

18 posted on 06/01/2003 5:24:36 AM PDT by Dr Warmoose (Just don't leave any brass with your fingerprints on it behind, OK?)
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To: Dr Warmoose
Ah yes so Rep. Inslee and the supporters of these visa programs and taxpayer subsidies to offshore outsourcing want to keep those burdens on the American taxpayer while giving assistance to the competition to that taxpayer. Keep on burdening one side while helping the other and we will get to have the USA as a third world nation. yes, I want those burdens off the the US worker but I also want teh help to the competition from teh uS government to stop now, today.
19 posted on 06/01/2003 6:12:02 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Dr Warmoose
re: your number 18. Very well stated.
20 posted on 06/01/2003 6:14:33 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: harpseal
A free market is probaly the best way to allocate resources yet India has currency controls to prevent "the outflow of capital." That is a subsidy to their programming and analysis industry. There are investment tax credits that accrue to corporations that outsource offshore or build facilities offshore. The US governemnt provides free insurance to of investment from foreign antionalization of offshore investments by US corporations. The US government takes taxes from teh soon to be unemployed to subsifdize the competion and some people like Rep Inslee think this is wonderful.
21 posted on 06/01/2003 6:19:21 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
WatchMark, a Seattle-area company that makes software for wireless networks,

has seen revenue fall during the telecommunications industry's slump. Earlier this year, it fired 60 employees, most of them members of a product-testing group whose jobs disappeared when the company hired an Indian outsourcing firm to do their work.

"This was done at the end of the day for bottom-line reasons," said WatchMark spokeswoman Heather Knox. "We have good cash reserves, and we want to be around as long as possible."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/06/01/BU106520.DTL

Happy now Jay?

22 posted on 06/01/2003 6:29:40 AM PDT by Drango (There are 10 kinds of people in this world. Those that understand binaries, and those that don't.)
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To: sarcasm
Ending H1-B and L-1 visas today, and you will lower the unemployment rolls by over a million this week. Lots more money will be pumped into the american economy when americans have jobs again, and welfare cots, and unemployment payments, and bankrupcy costs will also drop like a rock.

Everyone knows that there are plenty of skilled unemployed americans out there who can do the work that foreigners are now taking. Why employ any Indian to do java, visual basic, or mainframe computer programming when we have a million unemployed americans who can do it? The fact that we are employing foreigners to do these same jobs, means that those who do so, those who facilitate it, have some ulterior motives.

23 posted on 06/01/2003 6:32:02 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: AmericaUnited
NAFTA = "Mexicans will grow economically and buy lots of products from the US." - NOT! A large number of US jobs were lost. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED. China - "Trade with China will open up a market of 1 billion Chinese consumers for the US." NOT!

YOu are right! We were promised a trade surplus, we were promised that we would be selling hundreds of billions of american products to the chinese and mexicans. Hasnt happened.

24 posted on 06/01/2003 6:33:42 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: harpseal
I'm surprised that Inslee is a Saddamocrat. You'd think they'd be on the ramparts about this stuff. I've also always thought that outsourcing has had a whiff of racial discrimination, as in "You Americans are inferior - just look at how many blacks you have!".

Money talks!

25 posted on 06/01/2003 6:36:29 AM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: waterstraat
In Inslee's case one need only ask who paid for his jaunt there. Being a US Representation or Senator has become nothing (for many Reps, for ALL Senators) but a franchise on collecting bribes and bribe-like payments. "Election funds" -- right-o.
26 posted on 06/01/2003 6:37:58 AM PDT by bvw
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To: harpseal
EXACTLY!!!!!!!
27 posted on 06/01/2003 6:45:45 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: bvw
Yes. US Representatives or Senators get huge campaign contributions from those companies wanting to replace american labor costs with cheap foreign labor.
28 posted on 06/01/2003 6:52:06 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: waterstraat
Grudgingly, I agree, and that's only because I (like most) don't like to admit being wrong. I have seen ZERO evidence of more American goods being sold to Mexico and Canada. But everywhere I turn I see goods made by these two and by China -- goods which were once made by Americans. Clearly, we need to ensure our ability to manufacture goods if we want to remain a free country, uncontrolled by foreign interests.
29 posted on 06/01/2003 6:54:12 AM PDT by =Intervention= (Proud Christo-het Supremacist!)
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To: sarcasm
CONTROLLING IMMIGRATION, BOTH LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE USA...
30 posted on 06/01/2003 6:56:06 AM PDT by Bill Davis FR
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To: Dr Warmoose
Many selfish unpatriotic people that frequent this forum say that this is good because it lowers the costs of goods here in the united States. That may be true

Just because the costs may be lowered, does not mean that the price of the product is going to be lower. The manufacturer beneifits, but not the consumer. Nike certainly makes more money by employing cheap asian workers, but the price of Nike shoes does not come down so american consumers do not benefit.

31 posted on 06/01/2003 6:56:20 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Bill Davis FR
CONTROLLING IMMIGRATION, BOTH LEGAL AND ILLEGAL, IS IN THE INTEREST OF THE USA

Whe our land was "empty" up until the 1900's it made sense to bring in more people to fill up the empty spaces.

Today, I dont see any land anymore that is empty, land that no one owns, I dont see highways and expressways that are empty and not congested, etc. Why are we importing a record number of immigants today? Do we really need 57,000 more legal immigants(and another additional 57,000 illegal) each week? Do we really have 57,000 new additional jobs going unfilled each week?

32 posted on 06/01/2003 7:00:18 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: AmericaUnited
NAFTA = "Mexicans will grow economically and buy lots of products from the US." - NOT! A large number of US jobs were lost. THAT'S THE ONLY THING THAT HAPPENED.

That's the sad thing ---NAFTA didn't help either country ---at least not the majority but it did help a few I'm sure ---politicians who could line their pockets. When you look at all the millions of Mexicans coming over the border who have lost their jobs and homes in Mexico you have to wonder what happened ---ten years ago they were working in Mexico and now all that's gone for them. People don't die trying to leave a country they have any hope in.

33 posted on 06/01/2003 7:04:39 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: waterstraat
Yes, has the People's Republic of China Army Industrial Triads learnt and applyed so well -- it's far cheaper to fight America by bribing off its ruling caste. Hey, is that Chinese Spy-wife-and-will-f*k-for-atomic-secrets serving time yet, I mean Pollard-like time? She bought off Republicans.

Now the Little Rock Chinese Restaurant Association -- they bought off Democrats. As did NJ Ex-Senator Torch's chinese bribers.

The Chinese bought the Russian's lists of the compromised -- a good deal, that for them. And the Chinese were far shrewder, and sweeter, and no pikers -- being willing the liberally spread the grease around. They have beaten us. At least in wrestling parlance -- we've been taken down and are close to being pinned.

A reversal is possible, but we are not muscular or having much the reserve strength in muscle tensing right now.

I favor a roll out off the circle and a break to tie our shoes, or such, before the ref whistles us back to wrestling.

34 posted on 06/01/2003 7:05:39 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Cacique
Not Democrats, not Republicans....

The party of money in both parties.
35 posted on 06/01/2003 7:06:44 AM PDT by Tokhtamish
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To: FITZ
When you look at all the millions of Mexicans coming over the border who have lost their jobs and homes in Mexico you have to wonder what happened ---ten years ago they were working in Mexico

That is because a lot of goods coming from mexico, are no longer being made in mexico. Goods are made in china, sent to mexico, and then sent to america under NAFTA. Mexicans are having their factories close when mexican companies find that they can sell even cheaper if they get them from china.

36 posted on 06/01/2003 7:13:11 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Ukiapah Heep
I'm surprised that Inslee is a Saddamocrat. You'd think they'd be on the ramparts about this stuff. I've also always thought that outsourcing has had a whiff of racial discrimination, as in "You Americans are inferior - just look at how many blacks you have!".

Why would that surprise you? The expansion of the H1b and L1 visa programs were Clinton policies. Outsourcing to India was a government very much encouraged by the Clinton administration in the 1990's as a way to keep salries of IT folks down. The destruction of the American busineess climate has long been a goal od the Democrat Party. A Global governence entity having authority over the USA has been a part of the Democrat ideology for years.

The are the party of illegal immingrants and immigrants in general so why on earth would his stand here surprise you?

37 posted on 06/01/2003 7:20:46 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: sarcasm
Lets talk about "Outsourcing".

Mr. Inslee ran for Congress in Yakima, WA. in 1992 and won.
Then he ran for re-election in 1994 and showed just how liberal he really was and LOST.

Mr. Inslee then "Outsourced" himself to a new district that was a little closer to Seattle and what he thought was more liberal and ran for election for Congress again in 1996. Unfortunately he's and idiot, and the district didn't vote for him. He LOST.

Mr. Inslee then "Outsourced" himself to a new district that was as liberal as you could get without having to clone Hillary a couple of thousand times. Okay maybe they did. Anyways he ran for election for Congress again. And Sazaam he WON.

I think most of the people that use to vote for him on this side of the state wish he would "Outsource" himself again and this time find another state.

I'd put end sarcasm here but since it's your thread, I don't want to step on your toes. 8^) </end sarcasm>

38 posted on 06/01/2003 7:28:50 AM PDT by husky ed (FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
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To: Dr Warmoose
You are absolutely right!

Best capsule analysis I've read to date.

39 posted on 06/01/2003 7:32:17 AM PDT by LuisBasco
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To: waterstraat
Plus many of the campesinos lost their ability to make a living because even though Mexico has much cheaper labor, they cannot compete with US farmers, many of their farms went bankrupt and are still going bankrupt. Manual labor isn't efficient, machines are so a farmworker working on a Mexican farm might make just under $5 a day but in the US might make that much an hour.
40 posted on 06/01/2003 7:32:27 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: Dr Warmoose
They probably don't have a big welfare system or prison system to support with taxes. They probably don't have a Medicaid system providing the best medical care to those who have never worked but could work.
41 posted on 06/01/2003 7:34:20 AM PDT by FITZ
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To: sarcasm
H-1B, L-1 visas and outsourcing is a growing and serious threat to the American high-tech worker and high-tech future. The U.S. is strong because no country can come close to our lead in technology. Without good job prospects, engineering majors will dwindle. As this trend continues Yankee Ingenuity and the resulting high-tech lead in the world will begin to slip.

How many Americans realize that the databases with their medical, financial, insurance and telecommunication records are being run and accessed by foreigners in a foreign country?

And, our standard of living will continue to slide as the U.S. middle-class shrinks as engineers make career changes (to fields they hope cannot be outsourced).

All of this so that some CEO can collect a bigger multi-million dollar bonus this year? Do the shareholders really understand the short-term dividend gain and the inevitable long-term loss? A shrinking U.S. middle-class means fewer people purchasing American goods and services that the CEO's company is selling.

This link is a list of links with lots of good info:
http://www.h1b.info/bookmarks.php

This link gives each congressman a report card for their stand on visas:
http://www.betterimmigration.com/
42 posted on 06/01/2003 7:43:38 AM PDT by LibertyAndJusticeForAll
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To: sarcasm
Outsourced: Death in Silicon Valley
CHIDANAND RAJGHATTA

TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ TUESDAY, MAY 27, 2003 09:28:43 AM ]
WASHINGTON: On a recent April afternoon in Silicon Valley, moments after he was told he had been laid off from his computer programming job at a Bank of America training centre, Kevin Flanagan stepped into the parking lot and shot himself dead.

Some of America's technology workers, who like Flanagan have also had to collect pink slips over the last several months, think they know why Flanagan took his life: Bank of America not only outsourced his job to India, but forced him to train Indian workers to do the job he had to give up.

In the weeks since his death, the techies have used the incident as fuel to fire a campaign against outsourcing to India, an issue that now seems poised to become a major sticking point between the two countries. Several US states are already considering legislation to ban or limit outsourcing.

Bank of America is one of several major US corporations – General Electric, Microsoft, Intel are among others - under scrutiny for outsourcing jobs to India. The Bank created what is called a "Global Delivery centre" in 2000 to identify projects that could be sent offshore.

Since then it has signed agreements with Infosys and Tata Consulting Services (TCS) to provide solutions and services.

In an e-mail exchange with this correspondent, Kevin's father Tom Flanagan said "a significant reason for which my son took his life was indeed as a result of his job being outsourced."

"Did he blame India for his job loss? No. He blamed the "system." He couldn't understand why Americans are losing jobs. Rather I should say he understood it economically, but not emotionally," Flanagan said.

Bank officials, who did not return calls relating to Flanagan's death, have said in the past that the deal with Indian companies would effect no more than 5 per cent of the bank's 21,000 employees, or about 1,100 jobs, in its technology and operations division.

According to some surveys, the US has lost at least 800,000 jobs in the past year and some 3.3 million jobs will move overseas over the next few years because of outsourcing, mostly to India.

The Bank has also acknowledged that it had asked local workers to train foreigners because such knowledge transfer was essential. According to Tom Flanagan, his son was "totally disgusted" with the fact that he and his fellow-workers had to train foreigners to do his job so they could take over. "That sir is a travesty," he said in one e-mail.

US tech workers are challenging the corporate world's claim that it is outsourcing work to improve bottomlines and efficiency. Some analysts have also pointed out that US corporations were being forced to tighten up by the same people who are moaning about outsourcing, and who, heavily invested in the stock market, demand better performance.

But on one website that discussed the Flanagan case, a tech worker pointed out that data processing consumed only a small per cent of revenues and was hardly a drain on the Bank's profit.

"(It is) a prosperous bank which has let greed trump any sense of patriotism or social responsibility," he fumed.

43 posted on 06/01/2003 7:44:28 AM PDT by LuisBasco
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To: LibertyAndJusticeForAll
another great link... nomoreh1b
44 posted on 06/01/2003 7:52:50 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: FITZ
Plus many of the campesinos lost their ability to make a living because even though Mexico has much cheaper labor, they cannot compete with US farmers

How many of the fruits and vegetables do you see in the stores that are farmed in America? Not many here anymore.

45 posted on 06/01/2003 7:55:51 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: Drango
another great link... nomoreh1b

Thanks for the link! (I hope that Bank of America looses a ton of money from its bankrupt customers who lost their jobs from being outsourced)

46 posted on 06/01/2003 7:58:28 AM PDT by waterstraat
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To: sarcasm
bump
47 posted on 06/01/2003 8:12:02 AM PDT by Cacique
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To: Cacique
Another lackey for corporate interests. The Dinos and Rinos should merge and form the transnational corporate party and stop pretending to be Americans.

I agree. I wish those free traitors on Capital Hill gave as much a da*n about American workers and their problems as workers in India!

Who are these people representing anyway, cause it sure as h*ll ain't Americans?!

48 posted on 06/01/2003 8:23:39 AM PDT by Walkin Man
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To: Drango
"Happy now Jay?"

As a matter of fact he probably is. Belly up to the bar boys and write your checks to my PAC or we won't play ball.

49 posted on 06/01/2003 10:30:56 AM PDT by bigfootbob
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To: sarcasm
Thanks for the post.

I would like to create a list of Congressmen supporting Visas and outsourcing.

I am tired of the short-sidedness of those who favor keeping these policies. Top execs are lining their pockets, while the companies engaging in these practices are actually stagnating and product quality is suffering.

I work in a company where most of the workers are on Visas. I was laid off for 2 years in this field. The previous company started using a high number of Visa and offshore workers. The last company is not in any better shape than when they first started this practice. However, the execs continued to pull down their high salaries during the same time frame.

Members of Congress must be taking bribes. I know there are kickbacks involved in the corporate world where the execs are selling America out to line their pockets.

I think we need to organize a campaign to change these practices before it is too late. I was talking to one of the Indians Visa workers. He said there were plenty of jobs in India right now. He then started bragging that India would be the software capital of the world in 10 years.

I said I was going to try and get the laws in this country changed about the outsourcing of our jobs. I really want to do something to stop this.

I'm tired of the Freepers out there that haven't been affected looking down on those of us who have been affected. If we bring up the Visa and offshore issues, we are said to be whining.

To find the job I have now, I had to take a job away from my family. We are in the middle of layoffs at my new company. I don't know if I will be laid off again or not. This is no way for working class America to have to live. I would like to go home on the weekends, but I work extra on the weekends (without pay) to keep my job.
50 posted on 06/01/2003 6:35:25 PM PDT by FR_addict
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