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Mirror Falls Off Wall, Kills Child At Mall Clothing Store (posted 6/1/2003)
"Local 6" (A Florida Station) ^ | 6/1/03 | Local TV

Posted on 06/01/2003 5:30:00 PM PDT by 7 x 77

LINCOLNWOOD, Ill. -- Police in the Chicago suburb of Lincolnwood said a 5-year-old boy was killed in a freak accident when a large mirror fell off the wall of a shopping mall clothing store.

Officers said the accident occurred Saturday afternoon in the Express women's clothing store at the Lincolnwood Town Mall.

The victim was identified as Jonathan Villagomez. Police said he was at the store with his mother and other family members when the 5-by-12-foot mirror suddenly fell off the wall and hit him.

The mirror was attached to a "false wall" in the dressing room, area police told WMAQ-TV, .

Store and mall managers would not comment on the incident other than to say their "prayers are with the family."


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1 posted on 06/01/2003 5:30:01 PM PDT by 7 x 77
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To: 7 x 77
Five miles from there, in Niles, I was watching a 5-year-old girl who was also attacked by a mirror by the dressing room of clothing store. In this case both the child and I needed stiches and it was in a place called something like "Suits for Men".
2 posted on 06/01/2003 5:33:03 PM PDT by 7 x 77 (w)
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To: 7 x 77
I think we can file this in the unfortuate shit happens file.
3 posted on 06/01/2003 5:40:24 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: 7 x 77
Where I was previously employed, we had a large mirror, about the same size as the one involved, that was just propped up against the wall (where it wouldn't fall unless you really pulled it on you.)

Needless to say, having it around scared the (bleep) out me and what could have happened.

Prayers also for the family. Sheesh!

4 posted on 06/01/2003 5:45:04 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Jack Straw Fan Club, and Gonzo News Service)
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To: Maigrey
"False wall"

Are these security measures that are carelessly implemented?

Was this mirror actually a one-way see-through glass ?

Could some store security employee have accidental touched something installed poorly and caused all this ?
5 posted on 06/01/2003 5:59:03 PM PDT by George from New England
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To: 7 x 77
There's no excuse for this kind of shoddy construction. In the first place, the mirror should have been acrylic or plexiglass, rather than glass. Having a glass mirror that size and not having it properly mounted is criminal negligence.
6 posted on 06/01/2003 6:02:18 PM PDT by giotto
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To: George from New England
Could some store security employee have accidental touched something installed poorly and caused all this ?

My bet is that there was 'horeseplay' by the child involved - perhaps he kicked or pushed the mirror first ...

7 posted on 06/01/2003 6:02:18 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: giotto
the mirror should have been acrylic or plexiglass,

How often do mirros 'leap' off dressing room walls onto children anyway?

I think we need to know more - and I'm sure not in favor of having to use a 'crappy' mirror while trying on a new dress ... I mean slacks ...

8 posted on 06/01/2003 6:04:35 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: _Jim
My bet is that there was 'horeseplay' by the child involved - perhaps he kicked or pushed the mirror first ...

This was the case with us. The mirror was on the floor leaning against the wall, and we were a little animated trying to amuse ourselves while the person we were with made his purchase.

However, it was a public place, and we weren't wild.

9 posted on 06/01/2003 6:23:00 PM PDT by 7 x 77 (w)
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To: 7 x 77
It doesn't matter whether there was horseplay or not. The child was in the store as an invitee. The store had a duty of care to make sure the kid wasn't hurt. The store failed. As the lawyers like to say: Res ipsa loquitur. The thing speaks for itself.

To the child, peace; to the family, prayers and wishes for healing. To the store: get a very good lawyer. You'll need it.

10 posted on 06/01/2003 6:32:08 PM PDT by Ronly Bonly Jones
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
Its amazing what a six figure settlement will do for grief therapy.....
11 posted on 06/01/2003 6:37:39 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: annyokie
I think we can file this in the unfortuate shit happens file.

Actually public school happens. I had to browbeat some semi-literate installation crew into properly installing a 5x8 mirror in store when they A. Didn't have the adhesive in the truck. B. Were too blase' about the consequences of mechanical fasteners not installed according to specifications.

Stay alert. The pigeons of ignorance are coming home to roost.

Be sure to thank a teacher.

Best regards,

12 posted on 06/01/2003 6:38:43 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
I don't think this was 'simple mirror' located in a 'dressing room':
The heavy mirror was about 5 feet wide by 12 feet high, and officials were looking into how the mirror fell from the wall, White said.
From: http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-kid01.html

THis could have been, straight away, plain and simple, one of those *rare* accidents that kills somebody ...

13 posted on 06/01/2003 6:45:24 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: cardinal4
Its amazing what a six figure settlement will do for grief therapy.....
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Bet it'll go seven!
14 posted on 06/01/2003 6:50:00 PM PDT by night reader
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To: 7 x 77
The WMAQ TV report appears misleading - it appears that a wall initially fell to which the mirror was attached:
Police quickly sealed off the entrance to the women's clothing store. Investigators report the boy was near the dressing room area...when somehow a decorative wall fell.

Fire officials say a five-foot by eight-foot mirror was hanging on that wall. Emergency crews report when they arrived on the scene Villagomez was in bad shape -- severely hurt.

"We have an evidence tech on the scene, we have someone from the building department. we're attempting to look into what happened and why it happened and the reason for how this horrible tragedy could happen," said Deputy Chief Pete Swanson of the Lincolnwood Police Department.

From: http://abclocal.go.com/wls/news/053103_ns_boy_mall_fatal.html
15 posted on 06/01/2003 6:51:37 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: cardinal4
Its amazing what a six figure settlement will do for grief therapy.....

Not much, if the parents loved the parents loved that child.

16 posted on 06/01/2003 6:51:43 PM PDT by 7 x 77 (w)
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To: George from New England
If I can guess (and I've been in Express a couple of times with my sister...) The mirror in question would be a 5 x 12 that is at the entrance to the dressing rooms, and the "false wall" in question would be like a door (no support structure) that opens up to the security room. More than likely, the mirror wasn't attached with any kind of support, 'cept maybe "superglue" (industial adhesives) or a couple of screws to the sheetrock or wood.

Since thinking on it, this doesn't pass the smell test, either from the patron's perspective or the store's.

17 posted on 06/01/2003 6:53:33 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Jack Straw Fan Club, and Gonzo News Service)
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To: Ronly Bonly Jones
The store had a duty of care to make sure the kid wasn't hurt.

If I may beg to differ, (and I worked retail for 10 years) most of the time, the employees are informed by higher management to allow the customers time to shop without being hassled. If that includes keeping an eye on their kids, oh well. The employees are not in the store to be a baby sitter for customer's kids. (And that is something I've done also while working, since my previous place of employ was a full service store.)

The employees of the store have the responsibility to prevent accidents as much as possible. But there is also the possibility that this was a case of horrible accident (where there is no fault with the people at hand.)

Before jumping into a pool, maybe you should see if there is water in it.

18 posted on 06/01/2003 6:59:48 PM PDT by Maigrey (Member of the Dose's Jesus Freaks, Jack Straw Fan Club, and Gonzo News Service)
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To: Copernicus
My mother was a controller at Diablo Canyon Nuclear Poer Plant some years ago, and the horror stories she told me about the contractors for Brown were enough to raise your hair.

Wheelbarrows left in the towers, beer cans everywhere, etc.
19 posted on 06/01/2003 7:00:27 PM PDT by annyokie (provacative yet educational reading alert)
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To: 7 x 77
OMG! Who would ever think? How tragic.
20 posted on 06/01/2003 7:01:22 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: cardinal4
Its amazing what a six figure settlement will do for grief therapy.....

May you never lose a child and live to regret that witless and vulgar statement, even though you may well deserve to.

21 posted on 06/01/2003 7:02:06 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: cardinal4
Disagree with you respectfully of course. This is one suit that needs to happen. I love Express, but they were clearly negligent.
22 posted on 06/01/2003 7:03:42 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Copernicus
Be sure to thank a teacher.

Hey you stupid freak! Yes, you! A LOT of teachers in public school are VERY competent and do their jobs correctly. How dare you make an offhand comment like that? Some of us are harrassed mercilessly for our conservative views. Why don't you start talking about the wretched school boards, superintendents who think they are God-appointed kings, and irrational parents?

A LOT more teachers are trying to do the job right than many of you here believe. And, how much support do we get from the likes of you and some of the rest? NONE. When I've stood up for what is right in the classroom (telling them exactly what Bill Clinton was like when he FIRST ran for president) and getting shown the door...who stood up for me? No one. I could go on and on with examples of spineless people living in America who will not stand up for what is right and want to blame everyone else. However, I believe I'll go read a reasonable thread where you are NOT posting.

23 posted on 06/01/2003 7:08:41 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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To: ladyinred
This is one suit that needs to happen. I love Express, but they were clearly negligent.

Care to point out where/why and how?

It looks like a wall fell to which a large mirror was attached - placing it into a slightly different domain than simpy in Express's or Express's employees' lap ...

24 posted on 06/01/2003 7:13:51 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
I meant no disrespect. And I would never wish death on YOUR child. I should have included a sarcasm tag, because I was being sarcastic. My point was, people automatically seek money when a tragedy occurs, instead of maybe family or the church. I have been flamed before but never had harm wished upon one of my kids so a poster can prove a point....
25 posted on 06/01/2003 7:22:18 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: ladyinred
I meant no disrespect. I was being sarcastic..
26 posted on 06/01/2003 7:23:11 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: giotto

Actually it should have been tempered. Commerical glass is tempered and it's very tough. It also should have been tied into the wall studs. (or what passes for them in a commerical building)

I also wonder if they poor tyke didn't do somethign to cause this to happen.

Not that it makes what happened okay, because the mirror should have been mounted more securely to begin with.

If little boys can knock it off the wall, it was only a matter of time anyway.

27 posted on 06/01/2003 7:26:55 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Copernicus
I take your "thank a teacher" remark very personally. I have been a teacher for 25 years, and I do not appreciate that kind of treatment here.
28 posted on 06/01/2003 7:27:01 PM PDT by Pardon Me
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To: Jhoffa_
If little boys can knock it off the wall, it was only a matter of time anyway.

Are you people reading further down in the thread to get the whole story?

29 posted on 06/01/2003 7:28:42 PM PDT by _Jim (http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20030320/09/)
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To: _Jim
Yeah, now I am seeing that an entire wall may have fallen..

Same story. It should have been secure. I bet the wall was intended to support it's weight only, was added and then the mirror added later.

Both the store and the contractor who did the build out are going to hang for this.

30 posted on 06/01/2003 7:33:11 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: Pardon Me
I think he meant: "Thank a Teachers' Union"
31 posted on 06/01/2003 7:33:32 PM PDT by StatesEnemy
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To: 7 x 77
Police say there is no indication that this was an act of terrorism at this time.
32 posted on 06/01/2003 7:35:31 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"Why don't you start talking about the wretched school boards, superintendents who think they are God-appointed kings, and irrational parents?"

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pinging Gummy who is a great teacher too!

33 posted on 06/01/2003 7:36:12 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: 7 x 77
Unless the store has film of the child abusing the area and causing the mirror to fall - we're talking LAW SUIT - BIG TIME!!!
34 posted on 06/01/2003 7:41:37 PM PDT by The Final Harvest ( America - You Are The Greatest!!)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I could go on and on with examples of spineless people living in America who will not stand up for what is right and want to blame everyone else.

I have long supported the immediate abolition of the Soviet Socialist Indoctrination Camps known as Public Schools.

For some reason, I get very little support from Teachers or Teachers Unions.

I'll be sure to read your post to some children of my acquaintance and ask if they know of any teachers who set the example you just set in your message. I suspect they will be able to name more than a few.

Oddly, when I suggested the mirror be set to proper technical specifications the children,uh,installation crew had a reaction quite similar to yours. They have been taught well.

Best regards,

35 posted on 06/01/2003 7:46:04 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus; cardinal4
Thanks for replying to the above callous individual. I was so taken aback by his reply that I couldn't respond. You so eloquently did so.
36 posted on 06/01/2003 7:51:45 PM PDT by MadelineZapeezda
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To: MadelineZapeezda
Thank you, I have been insulted before on this forum, but never like that.
37 posted on 06/01/2003 7:52:32 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Copernicus
I could go on and on with examples of spineless people living in America who will not stand up for what is right and want to blame everyone else.

I'm sure you can. I am not defending incompetent public school teachers OR officials. But to make a generalization like that without solid evidence that it applies to the majority makes you the one who needs an adjustment.

If you knew my story and the level of my teaching you WOULD APOLOGIZE! Tell you what, you send an e-mail to the poster with the name Brian_Mosely (I think that's how he spells it) and ask him about me. He won't tell you my name, but he can tell you whether or not I am shooting a line of bull. He can research the whole story for the time I spent teaching school in his area. You do that! Then, come back and respond to my posts. It is one thing to suffer insults from ignorant people whose children one is trying to teach. It is, however, adding injury to the insult to suffer disparaging comments from a member of one's own conservative group that should be more knowledgeable and well-educated than to make such inane statements.

38 posted on 06/01/2003 7:53:48 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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To: Pardon Me
I take your "thank a teacher" remark very personally. I have been a teacher for 25 years, and I do not appreciate that kind of treatment here.

I believe your colleague in Post #23 made my point.

Perhaps you would like to take issue with him/her.

The excellent teachers I know have all found work in the free market of private schools, tutoring or some other line of work entirely.

Since my remarks were directed at Public School Teachers I know they could not have possibly included you.

Best regards,

39 posted on 06/01/2003 7:55:37 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: StatesEnemy
I think he meant: "Thank a Teachers' Union"

Perhaps he did. And if so, should specifically state it. I have NEVER joined a teachers' union and don't intend to. To lump those of us who have suffered job loss over standing up for what is right simply will NOT tolerate those kind of statements anymore. I will NOT tolerate it any more.

40 posted on 06/01/2003 7:56:38 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
A child was killed in an unfortunate accident...
This post wasnt about you...
41 posted on 06/01/2003 7:58:20 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: cardinal4
And I would never wish death on YOUR child. I should have included a sarcasm tag, because I was being sarcastic. My point was, people automatically seek money when a tragedy occurs, instead of maybe family or the church. I have been flamed before but never had harm wished upon one of my kids so a poster can prove a point....

It is clear that you write faster than you read. Assuming that you actually read it the first time, reread my post. I didn't wish harm on anyone's children and I specifically stated that I wished NO harm would come to yours. Also, keep your Freep Mail threats of reporting my post as an abuse on the thread so it is on the record.

About your lost sarcasm tag, if you really intended for your comment to be taken sarcastically you wouldn't have faulted parents of dead children for seeking punitive damages in your rebuttal. Make up your mind. I will now add disingenuous to my previous statement about your post #11 being witless and vulgar.

42 posted on 06/01/2003 7:59:21 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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To: Copernicus
I believe your colleague in Post #23 made my point.

Made what point? You have deeply offended me with your thoughtless comment. We (I should say, because it's the whole family) have suffered beyond your comprehension for conservative, Bible-based views from the public school system. I have taught in a private school. The pay is TOO low and the politics are a serious problem. I have NEVER joined a teachers' union although pressured to do so. I am a public school teacher. So, what's your problem?

43 posted on 06/01/2003 8:01:21 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
I'm sure you can. I am not defending incompetent public school teachers OR officials. But to make a generalization like that without solid evidence that it applies to the majority makes you the one who needs an adjustment

I think we need to stop meeting like this.

You are now responding to fragments of your own post as though I wrote them.

I believe that falls into the category of reading COMPREHENSION?

Best regards

44 posted on 06/01/2003 8:02:02 PM PDT by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: Copernicus
Since my remarks were directed at Public School Teachers I know they could not have possibly included you.

Here, try the above line on me.

45 posted on 06/01/2003 8:04:23 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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To: joesnuffy
She's a teacher..he/she said to thank a teacher for the illiterate constuction workers.
46 posted on 06/01/2003 8:04:43 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Copernicus
Here's a good link to document what I've posted here:

Click here.

And, have a good evening. Cathartic, to say the least.

47 posted on 06/01/2003 8:08:30 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (De tal palo, tal astilla.)
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To: Ronaldus Magnus
The point I was trying to make, albeit ineffectivley (sp?) was that the first reaction to a tragedy nowadays is to summon the lawyers. Thats all I was trying to say. I contacted you by freepmail in hopes that it all was misunderstanding. I see now it was a waste of time. My post was taken outof context by you. I perceived your response to me as me deserving to lose one of my kids, just to teach me a lesson, or something. I see now how I took your post out of context. In retrospect I feel we were both a little hasty in our responses.
48 posted on 06/01/2003 8:11:12 PM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: 7 x 77

Five year old Jonathan Villagomez


50 posted on 06/01/2003 8:36:54 PM PDT by Ronaldus Magnus
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