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THE END OF THE BOY SCOUTS IN PHILADELPHIA
NewsWithViews ^ | June 2, 2003 | Hans Zeiger

Posted on 06/02/2003 6:39:40 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: fight_truth_decay
Can just visualize the annual Boy Scout Jamboree will eventually turn into a recruiting effort by the Philadelphia Council to get every homoy into scouting and leadership roles. The homo groups are just elated. More and bigger recruiting grounds have just opened up to them to give them the impetus to get themselves listed as a constitutional-protected species while perverting our young. I hope the National Council of the BSA throws the Philly Council out for perversion of the institution of BSA.
41 posted on 06/02/2003 10:46:55 AM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: fight_truth_decay
A sad day in Philadelphia. The City of Brotherly Love doesn't give a toot about the moral surroundings of its boys. They'd rather love a bunch of pedophile-homosexuals and let them abuse kids. As far as morals goes, it would seem that Philly ain't got nilly.
42 posted on 06/02/2003 10:47:09 AM PDT by No Dems 2004
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To: lurky
Hardly a rant. Come Monday morning, the suit and tie go on and her they are -- looking just like everyday people...
43 posted on 06/02/2003 10:51:16 AM PDT by Imagine
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To: Imagine
her = here
44 posted on 06/02/2003 10:52:20 AM PDT by Imagine
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To: Semper Paratus
The merit badges are going to get VERY interesting
45 posted on 06/02/2003 11:10:17 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: Imagine
My point: partying and carousing homosexuals aren't interested in becoming troopmasters. Seriously.
46 posted on 06/02/2003 11:15:43 AM PDT by lurky (being fair)
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To: RRWCC
I am not maintaining that everyone has to sign up as a unit leader. But everyone that has a child in a BSA unit should do something. Go on a couple of campouts. Help run an activity. Teach a merit badge that you have competence in (there's 106 of them, you have competence in at least one). I'd wondering, though, why you feel that either you or your wife have to go on every single Troop campout?
47 posted on 06/02/2003 11:28:37 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
Unfortunately I am one of those parents who may be too protective of my children. I'm sure that after a bit, as I build confidence and my children get older, I may loose that tendancy. At the present time though, I am a firm believer that no one looks after you children like you look after your children.

I say that with mixed feelings though because many times my children have had their friends join us for different things and I care for and protect their friends just as I do my own. Also I frequently take many of our church children to different events/activities, caring and protecting them as my own.

Since I know that I'm not a "super parent" or even necessarily better at it than others, Intellectually I know that others will care for mine just a well as me. Just doesn't seem like it when they are with someone else.

There has to be a study of people like me somewhere. My wife does temper my over cautiousness.
48 posted on 06/02/2003 11:40:45 AM PDT by RRWCC (Even under a good king, a subject is still a subject.)
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To: RRWCC
The BSA and the GSUSA have absolutely no relation to each other. In fact, trial balloons about merging the two have been shot down repeatedly over the years by both sides. Their methods have a number of similarities, but a number of differences as well. One of the main ones is that in the BSA, the BSA's program is intended to supplement and support that of the sponsor and it's families, not to present a program that's independent. Another is that the GSUSA is very definitely by women for girls. Men are not allowed to be the "principal leader" in a GSUSA unit, whereas a woman can be a Scoutmaster, Cubmaster, etc. Finally, the BSA's program of rank advancement is much more of a specific progression, whereas in the GSUSA the awards are independent of each other, there's no progression and no set of specific skills (like First Aid, Citizenship, camping, cooking, etc.) that the girls have to learn to get ranks.

One of the changes that the GSUSA went though over the last decade was to allow youth to remove the word "God" from the GSUSA oath. This was justified by the GSUSA to WAGGGS (World Association of Girl Guide and Girl Scouts, the international GS sanctioning body) on the basis that the GSUSA wanted to allow girls for whom "God" was too Judeo-Christian to substitute their own deity (a.k.a Allah, Jehovah, Brahma, etc.). WAGGGS requires that it's membership organizations require their individual members to profess some kind of higher power. However, the effect seems to have been to allow the GSUSA to accept members who substitute nothing for "God", either verbally or mentally. And it seems that the GSUSA is doing little to disabuse people of that here in the U.S.

As far as your son goes, if he's 7 he's Tiger Cub or Wolf Cub age, depending on his grade level (1st or 2nd grade; if he's homeschooled, you can pretty much pick it yourself). Look in the phone book or yellow pages for the name/address/phone number of your local Council. Or, go on here, enter in your zip code, and get it from there.

Call the council. Tell them what town you live in, and ask for your District Executive. Once you're talking to him or her, ask about the Cub Scout Packs in your area. Find out who their sponsors are. The DE will want to know what church you go to and what school your son goes to so that they'll know whether or not there's a Pack sponsored by them. By the way, it's possible for you to live in one District, but for your son's school or church to be in another, so you might end up talking to another DE. Get the names and phone numbers of the sponsors and the Cubmasters of 2 or 3 Packs.

Call them up. Ask them how big the unit is, when/where it meets, and what activities they do. Outings, campouts, service projects, etc. A Pack meets once a month, but your son will be most closely associated with a Den, made up of 4 to 8 Cubs his own age/grade level. Find out what Dens they have and who the Den Leaders are, when/where they meet (often in the Den Leader's home), and what the Den Leader's phone number is. Now call the Den Leader and ask the same questions.

Then take your son to a couple of Den meetings, and see if you like what you see. Please understand that a Den Meeting is not usually all that quiet. These are young boys, and while sometimes they're working on a project, a smart Den Leader sets aside some time for the boys to be active and let off steam. In short, to be boys.

Should you find a Den and Pack to your liking, you'll fill out a short application, and your son is a Cub Scout. Congratulations! Expect to be solicited to become a leader. I encourage you to do so. You'll find it rewarding (I have). The application asks for your SSN. They use this to do a background check on you. The BSA NEVER releases information of any kind about their leaders to anyone. Companies have offered fortunes to the BSA for it's mailing list, but it never releases or sells the information and never will. You'll also be asked to take a couple of basic training courses. Please try to fit those into your schedule. You'll find it very helpful (I'm on our Council's training staff).

But, even if you can't sign up as a leader, please consider helping out at either Den or Pack meetings, the popcorn sale, etc. Understand that there's a group called the Pack Committee that handles running the fund raisers, recruiting leaders, buying the awards, getting the newsletter out, etc., that you can do on your own time without having to go to Pack or Den meetings. You can join it.

Of course, if you really want to go the whole hog, you can organize a Pack at your church or other community organization. You only need 5 Scouts and 5 adults to start a Pack, and small units are much easier to handle than some of those Cub Scout Packs with 100 or more Cubs in them.

49 posted on 06/02/2003 11:59:43 AM PDT by RonF
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To: RRWCC
I had a young man cross over from a Pack into our Troop. He stayed only for a few months. Because of his work schedule, his father couldn't accompany him on campouts. Because of her health, his mother couldn't do so. And they insisted that one of them had to go on an outing or he couldn't. Then, when he quit, his parents told me that their son had lost interest. No kidding; the kid never got to go on a campout, so of course he quit. Apparently the kid wandered off from his parents when he was 5 at Disneyland and Mom never got over it.
50 posted on 06/02/2003 12:02:54 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Imagine
Hardly a rant. Come Monday morning, the suit and tie go on and her they are -- looking just like everyday people...

Perhaps. But it's the sponsor's role to know more about the people they sign up as leaders than how they look when they go to work. If a sponsor doesn't know a candidate for leader personally -- what they do when they're not at work, where they go to church, what their hobbies and recreational choices are, who their spouse is and what they're like, etc. -- then they shouldn't sign them up. So I don't see much danger that people as described will end up as Scouters.

51 posted on 06/02/2003 12:07:58 PM PDT by RonF
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To: RonF
Thanks for the info. I'll look into it.

52 posted on 06/02/2003 12:35:52 PM PDT by RRWCC (Even under a good king, a subject is still a subject.)
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To: RonF
Yep, I would hate to be like that.
53 posted on 06/02/2003 12:44:25 PM PDT by RRWCC (Even under a good king, a subject is still a subject.)
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To: tdadams
Wow, that's mind boggling. You'd think the Catholic Church problem would have tempered this idea.

Another drive-by slander. You go girl.

54 posted on 06/02/2003 2:03:30 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: RonF
"Don't ask, don't tell", which is National policy.

Then they have a don't ask don't tell policy for incestuals, bestials and ax murderers too. That's rediculous and NOT ture.

55 posted on 06/02/2003 2:06:29 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: lurky
Actually these are the guys that couldn't couldn't give a rat's ass about donating time to mentor young boys lest it get in the way of their busy social life. But don't let that get in the way of a good rant.

Not totally true because homosexuals have a much higher rate than heterosuals to offend children, but don't let get in the way of good sophistry.

56 posted on 06/02/2003 2:10:36 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Then they have a don't ask don't tell policy for incestuals, bestials and ax murderers too. That's rediculous and NOT ture.

You might want to look here for the following BSA offical policy.

The Boy Scouts of America makes no effort to discover the sexual orientation of any member or leader.

The BSA doesn't ask. And if you don't tell (that's the "avowed" part of "[The BSA believes] an avowed homosexual is not a role model for the values espoused in the Scout Oath and Law."), and they don't ask, they have no way of knowing, and you can be a Scouter no matter what your sexual orientation is. It's DADT, just like the military, except that unlike the military the BSA actually follows their own policy.

For example, note this, from www.tompaine.com

The Narragansett Council took the apparently unprecedented step [in 1999] of reinstating an openly homosexual employee. The sixteen year old Eagle Scout had been released from a summer job at Camp Yawgoog and kicked out of Scouting after camp officials asked whether rumors that he was gay were true. The boy said yes. After a public uproar, the council reinstated his Scouting membership and offered his job back, with an okay from BSA, saying it was Scout policy not to ask about employees' sexual orientation -- an action similar to suppressing evidence because the warrant was bad.

You can find references to this on numerous sites. I picked www.tompaine.com because most of them are gay rights sites, and I wanted to find a site you'd believe. But the bottom line is that DADT is official BSA policy.

57 posted on 06/02/2003 2:30:48 PM PDT by RonF
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To: fight_truth_decay
Next thing you know we will see a degenerate Scout Master in handcuffs as the cops are dragging him away. His excuse will be: "I was just showing the boy how to qualify for his "Camping Merit Badge."
58 posted on 06/02/2003 2:46:39 PM PDT by ex-Texan (primates capitulards toujours en quete de fromage!)
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To: fight_truth_decay
The"HETEROPHOBICS"infiltrated the Boy Scouts and waited for the right moment to do this.Revoke their charter.
59 posted on 06/02/2003 2:58:32 PM PDT by INSENSITIVE GUY
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To: fight_truth_decay
From now on it's going to be the "Boyish Scouts" in Philadelphia.

The rest of the country will have Boy Scouts.
60 posted on 06/02/2003 3:01:15 PM PDT by chainsaw
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