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Weapons of Mass Distortion
The Wall Street Journal ^ | Monday, June 2, 2003 | Editorial

Posted on 06/02/2003 7:13:26 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER

Edited on 04/22/2004 11:49:03 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

To certain critics of U.S. policy in Iraq, the only thing worse than going to war with Saddam Hussein is the fact that we won. This they can never forgive -- which is why they are now trying to make a war crime out of the fact that the allies haven't yet found caches of weapons of mass destruction.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: axisofweasels; bushdoctrineunfold; disinformation; iraq; liberal; massdelusion; masspanic; rattactic; warlist; whininglosers
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Just a little update from yesterday's wild thread on the on-going WMD circus. Pinging all democRAT attack dogs.
1 posted on 06/02/2003 7:13:26 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; MizSterious; Buckaroo; templar; Mike4Freedom; MeeknMing
For your reading pleasure.
2 posted on 06/02/2003 7:15:07 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Those in the know are not climbing out on the same branch that the liberal press seems intent on
Sen. Joseph R. Biden Jr. (Del.), the ranking Democrat on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, said that to believe Iraq had some chemical and biological weapons was reasonable, based on what United Nations inspectors said stocks. had been unaccounted for from Baghdad's 1991 disclosure of its
From The Washington Post .
3 posted on 06/02/2003 7:15:25 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: Peach
Ping
4 posted on 06/02/2003 7:17:06 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I hate to be cyncical, but some of this "failure" to find WMD may have a political motivation.

In other words, Bush Inc. may be letting the leftist politicians and media dig their holes a little deeper before the big finds are made.

5 posted on 06/02/2003 7:21:07 AM PDT by dead
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Yesterday's thread about WMD was the most ridiculous I've participated in on FR and it's hard to believe some of the comments coming from long-time Freepers. Some people are always looking for something to complain about, it seems.
6 posted on 06/02/2003 7:23:22 AM PDT by Peach
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To: BOBTHENAILER
We did not go into Iraq to liberate Iraqis. We went into Iraq to preempt a threat to Americans. Mission accomplished.

I care about Iraqis freedom about as much as they do their own. I will not send my son to fight or die for Iraqis.
7 posted on 06/02/2003 7:24:51 AM PDT by Search4Truth (When a man lies, he murders part of the world.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Miss Marple; NormsRevenge; Dog; Dog Gone; hchutch
Great article. I have bookmarked it to use as a WMLD, Weapon of Mass Liar Destruction for those who post these lies to harm Tony Blair, GW and our military.

This will have the same legs of the so called looting and Powell is acting on his own by those who post/cite these Dog Clinton articles to slam GW, Tony and our military.
8 posted on 06/02/2003 7:25:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Can anyone ever remember the NY Slimes printing a truthful story? I can't!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Keep in mind that if we had found vast caches of WMDs, these very same people would be complaining that our brave troops (although I doubt they'd use that adjective) were out in the desert digging up weapons while the Baghdad power grid wasn't in full working order and water service wasn't up to pre war levels. 
 
The pro-dictatorship left will seize on anything they can to try and discredit the administration.  They have no morality or ethics so the irony of them attacking the U.S. while turning a blind eye to the mass graves, torture chambers, and children's prisons left behind by their hero is lost on them.
 
The likelihood that Saddam disposed of his WMDs, without any record or evidence is remote.  He's had five years to conceal the banned weapons and programs and they're not going to be found overnight.  So far, we've gone through about 25% of the known military munitions depots, a highly unlikely place to hide WMDs.  They'll be found sooner or later.  Until then I turn a deaf ear to the critics of this operation, who will be proven totally and conclusively wrong yet again.

Owl_Eagle

”Guns Before Butter.”

9 posted on 06/02/2003 7:25:56 AM PDT by South Hawthorne
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To: dead
I've heard this theory before. Hope you are on to something.
10 posted on 06/02/2003 7:27:30 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: dead
Bush Inc. may be letting the leftist politicians and media dig their holes a little deeper before the big finds are made.

I've had that same theory for a llloooong time, identical to the theory we're losing the war on terror whining, then the next week we catch a Khalid Sheik Mohammed, a Abu Zubaydah or a Ramzi Binalshib (sp?).

Death by a thousand cuts for the RAT critics. I think we're letting them dig their own "mass graves".

11 posted on 06/02/2003 7:34:47 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Anyone doubt that the same vicious anti-semitic, anti-american people who fund the rioting anarchists are behind the endless articles against Blair and Bush?
12 posted on 06/02/2003 7:35:34 AM PDT by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: Peach
Yesterday's thread about WMD was the most ridiculous I've participated in on FR and it's hard to believe some of the comments coming from long-time Freepers.

Agreed, agreed and agreed.

The funny thing is, it didn't take one friggin' day before an article such as this comes along to HAMMER the doomsayers.

13 posted on 06/02/2003 7:36:51 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: Search4Truth
We did not go into Iraq to liberate Iraqis. We went into Iraq to preempt a threat to Americans. Mission accomplished.

Mission accomplished with astonishing expertise.

14 posted on 06/02/2003 7:38:40 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Iraq had to show us where the WMD were or tell us what they did with them else they would suffer the consequences.

They did neither and they did indeed suffer the consequences.

15 posted on 06/02/2003 7:39:11 AM PDT by The G Man (Hey CNN ... "NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS!!!")
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To: Grampa Dave
This will have the same legs of the so called looting and Powell is acting on his own by those who post/cite these Dog Clinton articles to slam GW, Tony and our military.

and gimpy arthritic legs those argumenst try to travel on.

16 posted on 06/02/2003 7:40:10 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Editorials and articles like this one that document the lying and bending of reality make nice baseball bats to use on those gimpy arthritic legs.
17 posted on 06/02/2003 7:44:28 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Can anyone ever remember the NY Slimes printing a truthful story? I can't!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
What you said!!!! W is the Man!!
18 posted on 06/02/2003 7:45:31 AM PDT by 5yearsalurking
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Every day there is more and more coming out and one would think the naysayers would smarten up and give it six mos. to a year before complaining. Even then, WMD could so easily have been moved to another country or sold, all while we dithered trying to appease the Neville Chamberlains of their time.
19 posted on 06/02/2003 7:47:00 AM PDT by Peach
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To: OldFriend
Anyone doubt that the same vicious anti-semitic, anti-american people who fund the rioting anarchists are behind the endless articles against Blair and Bush?

No doubt in this BOB's mind.

20 posted on 06/02/2003 7:49:41 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: Search4Truth
Well, we didn't call it "Operation Iraqi Disarmament."
21 posted on 06/02/2003 7:50:32 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Owl_Eagle
They have no morality or ethics so the irony of them attacking the U.S. while turning a blind eye to the mass graves, torture chambers, and children's prisons left behind by their hero is lost on them.

Very well said.

22 posted on 06/02/2003 7:51:05 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: VRWC_minion
Those in the know are not climbing out on the same branch that the liberal press seems intent on

and they are busily chainsawing that limb right out from under 'em.

23 posted on 06/02/2003 8:04:35 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
'You Lied to Us'
6/02/03 | William Safire
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921587/posts
24 posted on 06/02/2003 8:06:56 AM PDT by Free the USA (Stooge for the Rich)
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To: IncPen
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25 posted on 06/02/2003 8:09:07 AM PDT by BartMan1
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To: dead
I have read that theory, too. Bush may be letting the cacophany reach it's crescendo before he lays the cards on the table and his cards will contain all aces; proof of Saddam's death, proof of blister agents, proof of nerve agents, proof of biological weapons (maybe even smallpox), and an unxpected wildcard; a nuclear weapons program that was close to producing a working nuke.
26 posted on 06/02/2003 8:13:04 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Now if we only had an understanding of: (1) How and who duped Bush and Powell with forged nuclear documents. (2) What was the urgent threat that the clown Saddam and his idiot sons posed which required immediate action after some dozen years of bombing, 40000 sorties without a plane down, inspections, no-fly zoning and blockading.
27 posted on 06/02/2003 8:18:46 AM PDT by ex-snook (American jobs need balanced trade - WE BUY FROM YOU, YOU BUY FROM US)
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To: Free the USA
When weighing the murky evidence of an aggressive tyranny's weapons, President Bush and Prime Minister Blair were obliged to take no chances. The burden on proof was on Saddam. By his contempt, he invited invasion; by its response, the coalition established the credibility of its resolve. There was no "intelligence hoax."

Thanks for the link.

28 posted on 06/02/2003 8:19:06 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER; dead
I do not believe that the President is withholding the information for domestic political reasons, nor to make the media look bad. I believe he is withholding it until they can get verification from a third party and also they are documenting everything, including arms sales from European nations and perhaps collusion with Fifth Columnists in the USA.

The last thing the military wants to do is say "Lookee here! We found barrels of weaponized anthrax at Wahdi Al Saddam and we are guarding them with units of the 3rd Infantry!" I can think of no scarier thing than to have the entire world know exactly where the bad stuff is, especially the bad guys. I would guess that as things are found they are being documented, vidoetaped, and destroyed.

When security is in place, and perhaps when the French and Germans have been notified that we have the goods on them (Funny how Chirac didn't embarass the President at the G-8 Summit, isn't it?) I imagine this information will be released.

Damage to the DNC and the media will be a collateral benefit, but not the purpose of waiting. However, many of these leftists are unable to think rationally about the President, and so keep inching further out on that limb.

It is very dangerous to be out on that limb when we have a President who is skillful with a chainsaw.

29 posted on 06/02/2003 8:19:47 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: Miss Marple
When security is in place, and perhaps when the French and Germans have been notified that we have the goods on them (Funny how Chirac didn't embarass the President at the G-8 Summit, isn't it?) I imagine this information will be released.

We both know there is a reason Chirac didn't try and embarass Bush. He's WAY out on that limb and knows well the skill with which our President wields that chainsaw.

30 posted on 06/02/2003 8:29:37 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: dead
In other words, Bush Inc. may be letting the leftist politicians and media dig their holes a little deeper before the big finds are made

THe one thing that is predictable is that the left is going to attack something, anything. By letting them stay focuses a while on an issue that Bush controls he keeps them from finding an issue that might provide some traction.

I don't think this is the sole reason though for retaining facts. I believe that there is an ongoing investigation and that it can hinder an investigation if information is released especially when its never certain what the captured Iraq's are saying.

31 posted on 06/02/2003 8:31:06 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
"Whether or not WMD is found takes nothing away from the Iraq war victory. The allies liberated a country of 22 million people, rid the world of a terrorist ally and have begun a process that may well create a more stable and prosperous Arab world. The credibility gap lies with those who were opposed to achieving all of that."
Granted Sadaam's regime did not belong in power, but how many countries can we say that about. Why are we not attacking them? The Bush administrations WHOLE premise for this war was about large cache's of WMD. This administration was duped by misleading foreign intelligence. As for democrats supporting this war, they know where there bread is buttered. If they dared to oppose this war there would have been a major campaign to oust them out of office, both through the media and campaign funding.



32 posted on 06/02/2003 8:31:54 AM PDT by doc
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Just a little update from yesterday's wild thread on the on-going WMD circus. Pinging all democRAT attack dogs.

Do you have a link for this? I missed it.

33 posted on 06/02/2003 8:50:17 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname (You're unique--just like everyone else.)
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To: dead
That's a plan Machiavelli would be proud of. Bush and company are not Machiavelli. The one thing about Bush that resonates with most people is that they find him believable. If we had found WMD it would have been revealed a New York Minute after discovery.

I'm one of the few here that has a problem with the results so far. If there are no WMDs and President Bush was aware then he joins LBJ and the Tonkin Gulf, FDR and the deliberate misrepresentations of U Boat attacks on American ships in the fall of 1941, and Nixon's " Iam not a crook..." On the other hand if he was not aware, then something is very wrong with our intel, and in a world such as we live in today that fact is unacceptable.

If the WMDs are found, GREAT. If not than we have some trouble.

34 posted on 06/02/2003 8:51:25 AM PDT by xkaydet65
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To: doc
Whether or not WMD is found takes nothing away from the Iraq war victory. The allies liberated a country of 22 million people, rid the world of a terrorist ally and have begun a process that may well create a more stable and prosperous Arab world. The credibility gap lies with those who were opposed to achieving all of that."

Agreed on all counts.

Granted Sadaam's regime did not belong in power, but how many countries can we say that about. Why are we not attacking them?

Many reasons, some political, some strategic and some for timing and logistic reasons.

The Bush administrations WHOLE premise for this war was about large cache's of WMD. This administration was duped by misleading foreign intelligence.

Not true at all. There were and always have been at least THREE reasons: WMD, support for terrorists and liberation of a people brutalized far worse than the Kosovars.

As for democrats supporting this war, they know where there bread is buttered. If they dared to oppose this war there would have been a major campaign to oust them out of office, both through the media and campaign funding.

False again. There were many RATs vocally opposed to the war.

35 posted on 06/02/2003 8:52:25 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: dead
BUMP!
36 posted on 06/02/2003 9:08:30 AM PDT by Calpernia (The person who removes a mountain begins by carrying away small stones.)
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To: cantfindagoodscreenname
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921269/posts

Here ya go

37 posted on 06/02/2003 9:10:03 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
wild thread...rto
38 posted on 06/02/2003 9:15:49 AM PDT by visitor (Thank God George Bush Won)
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To: xkaydet65
Your post seems to say that you are not open to the possibility that the timing of the release of certain information regarding WMDs in Iraq could have a political motivation. Yet, you are open to the possibility that Bush knowingly lied about their existence entirely.

I think that political considerations could certainly play a part in the timing of the release of information, especially when the best course of action is debatable. For instance, there might be some positives to releasing some information early (strengthing our bargaining position in debates over control of Iraq, easing domestic political pressure on Blair, sending a message to other rogue nations) and their might be some negatives (exposing intelligence methods, increasing the risk that the WMDs might themselves becoming tempting terrorist targets, risking other potential finds.)

At that point, I think political considerations would inevitably be included in the equation.

39 posted on 06/02/2003 9:29:06 AM PDT by dead
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To: Miss Marple
Interesting too is the left's ignoring the very same statements made by X42 years ago. They gave him unanimous support to go to war with Iraq.
40 posted on 06/02/2003 9:31:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (without the brave, there would be no land of the free)
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To: OldFriend
The fact is that we went to Iraq not just to find Saddam's WMDs, but to find out what happened to them. If Saddam had destroyed them, he surely would have documented proof as to the disposition, don't you agree? And, he would have revealed the disposition, rather than risk attack. These guys documented everything. So, the WMDs have to be somewhere.
41 posted on 06/02/2003 9:39:26 AM PDT by Eva
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Thanks for the post and ping, BTN !

Whether or not WMD is found takes nothing away from the Iraq war victory. The allies liberated a country of 22 million people, rid the world of a terrorist ally and have begun a process that may well create a more stable and prosperous Arab world. The credibility gap lies with those who were opposed to achieving all of that.




42 posted on 06/02/2003 9:42:20 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: Grampa Dave


43 posted on 06/02/2003 9:42:40 AM PDT by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Dixie Chimps! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Bush may be letting the cacophany reach it's crescendo before he lays the cards on the table and his cards will contain all aces; proof of Saddam's death, proof of blister agents, proof of nerve agents, proof of biological weapons (maybe even smallpox), and an unxpected wildcard; a nuclear weapons program that was close to producing a working nuke.

<SARCASM>
Of course, we all know that this information was planted by the CIA anyway, so what's the difference?
</SARCASM>

Seriously, though, once something is found and independently verified, I expect it will be released unless the information found would compromise another investigation.

44 posted on 06/02/2003 9:53:36 AM PDT by kevkrom
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To: BOBTHENAILER
There is a game being played, but the game is winning the war on terror not maximizing the short-term domestic political advantage. As Sun Tzu described war is deception. When you are strong as we currently are you try to appear weak. By not using any of our intelligence abilities to immediately uncover the WMD our knowledge of what is happening appears weak and will embolden the Iranians who will be unaware of the true extent of our knowledge. Knowing far more about the enemy than they think you do will allow us a great advantage in the long run. President Bush and his team play to win for America’s long term strategic goals unlike the Democrats who would sacrifice the Country for a short-term political advantage. Just wait, the WMD will be located but the discovery will appear to be due to blind luck not because of our intelligence gathering capabilities.
45 posted on 06/02/2003 9:58:25 AM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Gabrielle Reilly
Ping
46 posted on 06/02/2003 9:59:27 AM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: BOBTHENAILER
SPOTREP
47 posted on 06/02/2003 10:03:32 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Libertarianize the GOP
Knowing far more about the enemy than they think you do will allow us a great advantage in the long run. President Bush and his team play to win for America’s long term strategic goals unlike the Democrats who would sacrifice the Country for a short-term political advantage. Just wait, the WMD will be located but the discovery will appear to be due to blind luck not because of our intelligence gathering capabilities.

You've changed my thinking. In a rush to apportion political brilliance, I completely overlooked the strategic brilliance.

48 posted on 06/02/2003 10:08:47 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: MeeknMing
The credibility gap lies with those who were opposed to achieving all of that.

No kidding. Thanks for the great pic's.

49 posted on 06/02/2003 10:10:33 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (One by one, we're ridding the world of vermin. RATs are next!!)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Here ya go

Thank you much!

50 posted on 06/02/2003 10:36:42 AM PDT by cantfindagoodscreenname (You're unique--just like everyone else.)
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