An unnecessary war

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | 6/4/2003 | Pat Buchanan

[nfldgirl]

Based on his article, Buchanan might as well say that war with Germany was unnecessary too.

Did you hear that PB had an uncle who died at Auschwitz?

Apparently, he fell out of a guard tower.

[Sorry...I couldn't resist. Somebody SLAP me! I'm in such a punchy, cynical mood today!]

[mass55th]

Apparently, he fell out of a guard tower.

ROFLMAO!!! That's a good one!!!

[hchutch]

This column would have sounded better in the original German.

[Mark17]

The only way he would not have them in 2003 is if he subsequently destroyed them.

I don't think Saddam would destroy them. Maybe, as many have suggested, they are in Syria now, or just well hidden. As you say, we know he had them. The only question is, where are they now?

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

See what he's talking about before you wipe him (Buchanon) off as some kook.

You got yourself a deal ClayNeely, there is something you, and others, need to know about Pat's actual stances on economic and social issues. I see so much idealism about what Pat-"heads" (sorry, but that's what you apologists sound like) hope and wish he was, as an alternative to a moderate Republican Party, rather than what he is. You need to check this out about this supposed "hardcore consitutionalist", from the indepth article posted at http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/914824/posts

...An even funnier irony is that in many respects paleoconservatism is more left wing than what we call neoconservatism. The reason this is funny is that so many self-described paleos view themselves as "further to the Right" than those they label neocons. But they need to explain why Pat Buchanan's public policies sound so liberal.

For example, Patrick Buchanan complains that "compassionate conservatism" was a rip-off of his "conservatism of the heart." "I may charge him with plagiarism," Buchanan declared. Buchanan now favors caps on executive salaries, expansion of Medicare benefits, and high trade barriers. He fumes about the excesses of Wall Street and the free market. He writes in The Great Betrayal: "Better the occasional sins of a government acting out of the spirit of charity than the constant omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference." That could easily come from It Takes A Village. Indeed, Buchanan's policies on immigration and culture and his support affirmative-action quotas for non-Jewish whites amount to what my colleague Ramesh Ponnuru calls "identity politics for white people."

You disconnected conservative people are being played for fools by someone who understands you, and shouldn't be dismissed by "neo" cons as a "kook" but is rather brilliant political ego maniac. But its clear from these stances that Pat simply is not the conservitive he's crafted the image of. I don't care that you don't wanna be part of the GOP, follow a 3rd party leader, but take a nickle's worth of free advice don't follow this Pied Piper out of town.

[MJY1288]

Excellent post

[wimpycat]

It's like a cold sore that keeps popping up...

[Burkeman1]

I am well aware of Pat's rather odd economic policies which can hardly be called conservative. One could argue that tariffs is a classic conservative position when dealing with nations that won't allow free trade but Pat has simply bought into the idea of the New Deal lock, stock, and barrell. But by no means do many if not most of "paleo conservatives" buy into Pat's economic ideas. Just as so called "neo cons" by no means hold the same views on everything the much more diverse "paleos" are the same way. In fact about the only thing most "paleos" would agree upon is being against the war in Iraq and not even for the same reasons! That is why "paleos" will never really be a movement- more like a tendency.

[Burkeman1]

Lying is a strong word. I would say that Bush fully expected to find WMD's and in quantity based on the intel he was given. The quality of that intel is another matter. There seems to be at least some concern that intel was "strained" and "filtered" to produce a picture that didn't really exist and that this innaccurate picture is what Dubya based his rhetoric for war on. It seems Blair did the same thing even to a greater extent.

Politics is politics. Of course the motivation of the Democrats in calling for an investigation is purely political and meant to hurt the President. That doesn't mean it is isn't warranted. The GOP would do the same thing.

I think the Dems are being a bit hasty with these calls for hearings. It is a large country and they could be found tomorrow for all we know. But the Administration has dozens of top level Iraqi's in custody. They would be bargaining like mad men to give up any info or where the WMD's are or what happened to them. That we have not heard thus far should concern anyone who is not a blind partisan.

[PeoplesRep_of_LA]

Burkeman1,

I agree with what you are saying, except the conclusion. In fact about the only thing most "paleos" would agree upon is being against the war in Iraq and not even for the same reasons!

I've met a number of professed Paleocons on here who are fully in support of the Iraq war, that is not a defining characterist. I might say immigration would be bigger, but its hard. You know why its hard? Because its not a legitimate political movement. Read the link the article I originally posted about the "history" of the movement. It can more acurately be called the Disconnected-GOP movement. Its made up of varying people, mostly single issue types, who share only one trait, their angrer that the GOP is too moderate on their issue.

I don't have a problem with that, because on most things they are complaining about, I agree with their critique. If you saw the GOP magically call for a closing of the boarder, a large segment of the so called "Paleos" come into the conservative fold. If you magically had the GOP push to end gun laws, another segment. Magically push to end all abortion immediately, still more. The biggest one would probably be if the GOP pushed to end any support for Israel.

I choose to work through the system and build a massive GOP majority, to eventually push the RINOs into a position of weakness, rather than a neccessary vote to .

That is why "paleos" will never really be a movement

They are even less organized than the Reform Party, Libertarian Party, and Green Party.

[Pelham]

That was a mildly amusing line when it was first penned by one of his angrier critics. I guess it's still considered cutting edge wit by the cartoon network minicons.

[BlackVeil]

Remember all those barrels of pesticides?

It is normal to have a lot of pesticides in Iraq, because of the marshes, and the very unhealthy climate, with diseases spread by insects. I'll go bail that many of our troops come back with malaria and other fevers. Also "black fever" a children's disease is an epidemic in Iraq at the moment, because the annual campaign to kill off sand flies was disrupted by the war.

[BlackVeil]

That we have not heard thus far should concern anyone who is not a blind partisan. Yes, I agree.

[Brimack34]

What about a premetive war? What would he have built if we let Sadam go? There is WMD's already I believe that. But he would have had nukes and more. Why wait? Another N.K.- Iran.
Clintoon let 3 or 4 Countries get Nukes. Pres. Bush will not!!

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Check this:

How many labs are too many?

And :

Official: CIA holds position on Iraqi mobile labs

And backhoe has a list of many articles here:

Weapons of Mass Destruction ( or Distorsion or Deception? You decide...)

[Burkeman1]

The threat we face today is not from any nation but from groups within many nations. So if Iraq did get the bomb- so what? They would never use it against us. But if a nefarious group of terrorists gets one then we are in for trouble. What happened to the WMD's? They were most likely given to terrorists before the war started and are buried in Jordan or Saudi Arabia right now. We are not "safer" because of this war- indeed we are worse off.