The Guardian Pulls a "Dowd" - Falsely Attributes War for Oil Claim to Wolfowitz w/ Misquote

6 June 2003

[Citizen of the Savage Nation]

So what did you think?

[Michael81Dus]

? I thought what I posted in the message you replied to. I believed in the truth of the Welt-article.

[americanbychoice1]

it never was about oil

[Hipixs]

I doubt that he has bought weapons (because on the battlefield, the weapons were really old), probably he tried to do so.

A representative sample:

Size of Iraqi arms caches stuns Army
Iraqi weapons left where anyone, including children, can take them
Arms caches overwhelm Army engineers
Brits destroy vast weapons cache

[Citizen of the Savage Nation]

? I thought what I posted in the message you replied to.

In the meantime, I have read the post #1, yes.

I meant, what did you think about finding out how the Welt and Guardian twisted the truth? I didn't see that in the msg I responded to.

[Michael81Dus]

Are you going to start a discussion wether the weapons were old or? Thanks for your links, but none of them says that the weapons could compete with the NATO-standard of half-automatic guns.

[Michael81Dus]

I´m wondering about Die Welt, but then again, they probably have taken it into the paper uncontrolled. A black sheep of the journalists. And the Guardian has taken the article from Die Welt uncontrolled, too.

[Citizen of the Savage Nation]

Here's the kicker...Wolfowitz said what he said to cause exactly what happened to happen. That was very very smart, if you look at the words he chose, he could have said a number of things that conveyed the same message but he chose just this right combo of words because he knew it would be taken out of context and then it would cause great embarrassment to those that did.

Genius.

[Michael81Dus]

Actually, that´s a bit too far from reality. Sounds like conspiracy theory - combined powers against the media!

Where´s your crystal ball? ;-))

[Reagan is King]

Front page splash with the lies, then a tiny correction buried in the paper. They got the effect they wanted. Typical liberal rag.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Very good!

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Babelfish translation:

QUOTATION BEGINNING on the question, why a country possessing atomic weapons was differently treated such as North Korea than the Iraq, where hardly massenvernichtungswaffen had been found, answered the deputy Secretary of Defense again very openly: \"Betrachten we it once completely simply. The most important difference between North Korea and the Iraq is that that we had economically simply no choice in the Iraq. The country swims on a sea of oil. \ "

We always have these guy's for accurate translation.

[tictoc]

And you can't beat the price :-)

[americanbychoice1]

Today, a day later, Der Spiegel still treats the story as the truth. They are asking the CDU, how it feels to be betrayed by the U.S. after Wolfowitz's open declaration that the war was only for oil? We better call the UN and ask them to get their investigators in there to hunt for Goebbels. Throw enough feces against the wall and something will stick.

[tictoc]

I noticed that too.

Spiegel also claims that when Friedbert Pflüger, foreign policy expert of the (allegedly) conservative CDU tried to organize a show of support in his party for Wolfowitz, the other CDU leaders laughed him off the podium.

Don't know if there is any truth to that (anything in Der Spiegel must be presumed a prima facie lie, absent other evidence) but it sounds plausible.

German "conservatives"...