Some Analysts of Iraq Trailers Reject Germ Use

New York Times ^ | 06-07-03

[maestro]

UR#2...........Right!

The Bush administration has said the two trailers, which allied forces found in Iraq in April and May, are evidence that Saddam Hussein was hiding a program for (R&D) biological warfare.

In effect, early conclusions by agents on the ground that the trailers were indeed mobile units to

produce germs for (R&D) weapons have since been challenged.

"I have no great confidence that it's a fermenter," a senior research analyst with long experience in unconventional arms said of a tank for multiplying seed germs into lethal swarms. The government's public report, he added, "was a rushed job and looks political." This analyst had not seen the trailers himself, but reviewed evidence from them.

The skeptical experts said the mobile (R&D) plants lacked gear for steam sterilization, normally a prerequisite for any kind of biological (MASS) production, peaceful or otherwise. Its lack of availability between (MASS) production runs would threaten to let in germ contaminants, resulting in failed weapons.

Second, if this shortcoming were somehow circumvented, each unit would still produce only a relatively small (R&D) amount of germ-laden liquid, which would have to undergo further processing at some other ( Many Other Trailors NOT yet found) factory unit to make it concentrated and prepare it for (MASSIVE PRODUCTION) use as a weapon.

Finally, they said, the (2=only two) trailers have no easy way for technicians to remove germ fluids from the processing tank.

?.....Where is the rest of the trailor 'fleet'....?

(Maybe on 3 mystery ships,....or now at the bottom of the ocean?)

/sarcasm

[BOOTSTICK]

The Iraqis were using them to make Scotts roundup, no wait, err they were chili wagons......IDIOTS

[AntiGuv]

Exactly. If they were legitimate and innocent, why were they scrubbed clean?

Well, the only reason I'm aware of to assume that they were "scrubbed clean" is if one has ascertained they were bioweapon plants. The failure to find any evidence of biological agents - once you've already concluded that they're bioweapon plants - leads to the assumption that they were scrubbed clean.

Circular argument, anyone?

[kesg]

The very worst one can say about this report is that the intelligence was ambiguous and largely circumstantial, but with a majority of analysts still fearing the worst.

Okay, you are the President of the United States, responsible for the national security of a nation of 280 million in the post 9/11 world. Saddam and his regime are pyschopaths, they are a terrorist organization, they support other terrorist organizations, they have developed and used WMDs before, they are suspected of attempting to acquire and use these weapons again, and they failed to cooperate fully and proactively with Resolution 1441 even though their very survival was at stake.

Given these circumstances, do you give Saddam the benefit of the doubt, thus assuming the risk of a future WMD attack if you happen to be wrong? Or do you assume the worst unless and until proven otherwise, with the side effects of of a "mistake" nevertheless including (1) eliminating said psycopaths with extreme prejudice, (2) enforcing the Bush Doctrine (and sending a message to other wannabe rouge states who support terrorism, such as Syria and Iran), (3) eliminating the underlying threat of WMDs, and (4) liberating a nation of over 24 million people?

This one should be a no-brainer. In fact, it was.

[Buckeroo]

Weapons of Mass Destruction are free in the air, you breathe. GWBush can't deny his pointless assertions ... so he will find a method; I will eager fertilizer shall create the method.

[Buckeroo]

wager, even.

[Mark17]

Clearly these were icecream trucks. Scrubbed meticously clean to remove any evidence of. . . Saddam Hussein's secret new ice cream flavor.

Maybe they were mobile baby milk factories. After all, we blew up all their fixed baby milk factories. (sarcasm off)

[JmyBryan]

The funny part of the whole WMD fiasco is that it actually proves the veracity of the Bush contention. It would have been ridiculously easy for US and Britain to have faked evidence, which had and has been implied by the opposition since day one.

When the actual evidence turns up, and I'm very confident that it will, the opposition will contend it is fake, just like with these labs.

And they have no position other that anti-US idiocy.

[Mark17]

When the actual evidence turns up, and I'm very confident that it will, the opposition will contend it is fake, just like with these labs.

That is true. No matter what evidence they come up with, it will not be enough. The left wing liberal socialists will claim all of it is false. Why even bother to try to convince those scum sucking dirt bag leftists?

[McGavin999]

If these are not the mobile labs, then where are they. The mobile labs were reported by defectors who described what they looked like and the trucks we found matched that description.

[Shermy]

German Made Mobile Labs Sold to Saddam

[Shermy]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/030514/170/422ip.html
A manufacturer's plate details the serial number and date of production for a fermenting machine found in a suspected mobile biological weapons lab inside the al-Kindi rocket and missile research center near Mosul on May 9, 2003. U.S. forces in northern Iraq (news - web sites) found the suspected mobile biological weapons production laboratory that a top commander described on Tuesday as almost identical to another found nearby last month. Picture taken May 9. EDITORIAL USE ONLY. REUTERS/US Army/Robert Woodward

[lepton]

Well, the only reason I'm aware of to assume that they were "scrubbed clean"

It was said when the anouncements were first made of the trucks, that some sort of caustic material was used to wipe down interior surfaces, and on the outside, fresh paint applied. This would be an EXAMPLE of their having been scrubbed clean.

[Shermy]

If it was for producing hydrogen, I doubt it was for weather balloons. Rather for UN-restricted missle fuel.

[SwordofTruth]

It would have been ridiculously easy for US and Britain to have faked evidence, which had and has been implied by the opposition since day one.

I really don't think it would be that easy to fake this evidence and not get caught.

[A CA Guy]

Clearly these were mobile poodle washing trucks for the poor.

[HatSteel]

Easy to fix.

Get a team of experts in anthrax production to go there and make anthrax with the equipment on that truck. If they can do so, then there you have it.

[HatSteel]

They were declared scrubbed because of the dectection chemical for that purpose. Memory says I read that in an early report.

[ApesForEvolution]

Obviously, these mobile bars were to share carefully concocted libations with the down trodden in far reaching areas of Iraq. The secret compartment and devices inside were to make certain that the high octane cocktails were a well kept secret in elite Iraqi bartending circles. And then a monkey crawls out of the man's butt.

[The Great Satan]

 

One of these two photographs depicts an elaborate piece of stagecraft featuring an actor playing the role of his life in an extraordinary charade calculated to distract a gullible public from the embarassing reality of a catastrophic failure in national defense planning. The other is a picture of Saddam Hussein.