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Let Africa Sink
Kim du Toit ^ | May 26, 2002 | Kim du Toit

Posted on 06/07/2003 2:58:41 AM PDT by dennisw

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To: dennisw
It has certainly got worse since 1960, when most African countries achieved independence. We, and by this I mean the West, have tried many ways to help Africa. All such attempts have failed.

It seems that colonialism worked, at least for a time. It is hard to escape the conclusion that African independence has been a big mistake.

21 posted on 06/07/2003 4:51:52 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: dennisw
Kim Du Toit is dead on target. But then, he seldom misses.

Some wag once said that Africa was not a continent but a condition of the mind, and that it would remain forever incomprehensible to the West for that reason. Du Toit's essay points up some of the central factors in that disconnect.

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit the Palace Of Reason:
http://palaceofreason.com

22 posted on 06/07/2003 5:10:46 AM PDT by fporretto (Curmudgeon Emeritus, Palace of Reason)
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To: dennisw
Wow. This is harsh, but sadly all too honest. I'm aquainted with some African refugees, from Somalia, Nigeria, and Zimbabwe. They all seem to have a casual disregard for life, as if the death of a human is no different than the death of a possum or a bug. "It happens" seems to be the attitude.
23 posted on 06/07/2003 5:15:44 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: MEG33
.....It is time for Africa to step up to the plate and stop the constant war......

What is happening in Africa is Darwinian selection in action. Those who are inferior will be eliminated and those who are strong will survive. Outside forces cannot change the basic tribal, read biological, diffrerences that are at work selecting those who will survive and those who will die.

White faces can not counter these forces except to kill the strong and merely prolong the conflict.

24 posted on 06/07/2003 5:23:10 AM PDT by bert (Don't Panic!)
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To: dennisw
bump
25 posted on 06/07/2003 5:26:48 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: dennisw
After the wall around Africa is finished, then one should be build around Israel and the Palestinans and furnished with all the guns and ammunition they can use over a ten year period.

At the end of ten years, we will peek over the wall to see if there is a survivor.
26 posted on 06/07/2003 5:31:18 AM PDT by LaMudBug
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To: dennisw
Surley this is not "ROOTS".
27 posted on 06/07/2003 5:36:22 AM PDT by usslsm51 (ui)
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To: Joe Boucher
Joe, You're absolutely right about the education. I met some pretty decent guys in the Congo about 5 years back, but there's a good probability they've been chopped up by now, because education does nothing to stop a machete. So the only rationale for intervention is to create a situation in which your solution -- education -- can take hold.

A lot of European countries are trying to solve the Africa problem the wrong way, by offering more immigration slots into Europe while maintaining armies with only ceremonial roles. But in the end, neither increased immigration or handouts can stop Africa from becoming a source of disease and a breeding ground for terrorism. Europe is just importing the African problems into their own backyards without solving them. Just as terrorism won't be extirpated from the Middle East until their dictatorships are toppled, neither will the Africa problem go away until all those fake post-colonial "states" are straightened out. And besides, just what does the Belgian Army do these days anyway?
28 posted on 06/07/2003 5:39:26 AM PDT by wretchard
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To: wretchard
The problem with Africa is the complete inability to get past tribalism. There is zero cooperation with anyone not of your clan or tribe.

Your “solution” flies in the face of EVERYTHING Africans have argued for, the end of colonialism. White Europeans are blamed for EVERY ill on the continent, though most left in the 60's, and sending troops back would reinforce the argument. Let those that wanted the Europeans out, those here and in Africa, solve the problem.

29 posted on 06/07/2003 5:40:41 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
"Your “solution” flies in the face of EVERYTHING Africans have argued for, the end of colonialism. White Europeans are blamed for EVERY ill on the continent,...

There's an old saying in Africa, which you may have heard, that if the worst thing the white man did was to come to Africa in the first place, the second worst was to leave it ... especially when the Africans were bound to follow to Europe. There's a standing Spanish patrol on the Med to keep the Morroccans from coming over. The African problem has to be solved for Europe's sake as well as the African's.

Colonialism's just a word made up by white people who can't apply the same concept to Hutus being ruled by Tutsis or vice versa. That's not colonialism is it?
30 posted on 06/07/2003 6:13:07 AM PDT by wretchard
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To: MEG33
Chilling,heartbreaking.May God guide Africa to a better way of life.

Any particular reason He has waited so long?

31 posted on 06/07/2003 6:27:30 AM PDT by verity
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To: verity
My time isn't God's time...but I don't believe you were seeking an answer.
32 posted on 06/07/2003 6:29:44 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Right on both counts.
33 posted on 06/07/2003 6:32:41 AM PDT by verity
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To: dennisw
Absolutely.

Every single nation where the guilty white westerners have allowed the native population to take over has seen that nation fall into savagery and barbarism.

The western liberals advocated the overthrow of South Africa's government and apartheid...and now South Africa is descending into the same third world hell of most other nations on the continent. South Africa is now the rape capital of the world. Crime is out of control. The white population are being killed, raped, robbed, and assaulted at record levels and you hear nothing in the western papers. Yes, the leftist, liberal vermin don't want you to know that their "multicultural Utopia" actually has descended into Dante's Inferno...

And every other nation taken over by the native blacks in Africa has turned into a violent, savage, hell hole - a total kleptocracy.

Uganda, Rwanda, Namibia, Nigeria, and Mugabe's Zimbabwe.

I say we leave these barbarians to themselves and let the savages work it out. Sink or swim. Not another western dime should go into that continent.

It's too late for the poor European whites in places like Zimbabwe and South Africa, but we shouldn't do any more to prop up these governments.

34 posted on 06/07/2003 6:45:23 AM PDT by Im Your Huckleberry
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To: JesseHousman
It ceased being our money before that. It was our money when money was not debt. That was when dollars were silver disks and gold disks and fractional dollars were smaller disks, quarters, dimes, 1964 and before. These were of a positive nature. People who had it owned it.

All money is now debt lent to us and the government by the Federal Reserve System central bank. It is of a negative nature. Debt by definition belongs to the creditor even when it passes hands as money. The people lost control of their government when the government no longer needed the peoples real money to function, and could borrow debt forever from the central bank to do what it wants.
35 posted on 06/07/2003 6:54:36 AM PDT by Jason_b
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To: bert
Realistic insight.
36 posted on 06/07/2003 7:27:40 AM PDT by m18436572
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To: wretchard
So the only rationale for intervention is to create a situation in which your solution -- education -- can take hold.

But to what end is this education? In this land of triablism there is a very wide and very deep distain for manual labor. What does this have to do with education?

Only this:
History has shown again and again, that these educated folk do not open their own business/industry, or seek to work in one. They're goals are not to become doctors, engineers, agronomists, dentists, vets, biologists, nurses, chemists, etc. Their goal is to become a burocrat. Period. You know, indoor work, no heavy lifting, get to carry a brief case, wear a tie, get to boss people around, + let's not forgot all those government perks.

With an "education" mind set like this, well...what you've got, you've got in Africa.

37 posted on 06/07/2003 7:37:18 AM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: dennisw
Read Heart of Darkness; Conrad was saying similar things in 1901.

I visited South Africa as a little kid in 1977 (I think Vorster was PM); it was a gorgeous place, then. My Dad and I met a white farming family from (then) Rhodesia. Nicest guy in the world, with about 5 children who all knew how to use the automatic weapons in the house.

I wonder where they all are now.
38 posted on 06/07/2003 8:19:06 AM PDT by hemogoblin (When terrorists alienate the World Community, it's okay)
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To: LadyDoc
Thanks for your post.

God is there.

Amen, even when so much of the world averts its eyes.

39 posted on 06/07/2003 8:31:38 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: LadyDoc
Finally, Africans, like other primitive peoples (such as Hindus, Baptists and Catholics)

Christians are primitive people? All right, you had me agreeing until you inexplicably came out with that one. Perhaps your definition of "primitive" is different from mine....

I'm not Baptist, by the way, but as a Christian my doctrine is essentially identical to theirs....

40 posted on 06/07/2003 8:49:36 AM PDT by Theo
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