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Is lying about the reason for a war an impeachable offense?
www.cnn.com ^ | 6/6/03 | John Dean

Posted on 06/07/2003 7:07:40 AM PDT by harpu

Edited on 04/29/2004 2:02:39 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Now it is clear that many of his statements appear to be false. In the past, Bush's White House has been very good at sweeping ugly issues like this under the carpet, and out of sight. But it is not clear that they will be able to make the question of what happened to Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) go away -- unless, perhaps, they start another war.


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To: Consort
have involve = have to involve
21 posted on 06/07/2003 8:18:51 AM PDT by Consort
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To: harpu
Hey liberal, in those Bush quotes, all I have to say to you is this:

IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "IS" IS

Put that in your pipe and smoke it (but surely don't inhale).

22 posted on 06/07/2003 8:24:04 AM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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To: harpu
As far as most Americans are concerned, Saddam had and used WMD and the ability to make more and perhaps has. Terrorists are working hard in this country with those very WMDs, rather than argue where are they - we had better find them quickly.

By the way, consider the source for the article, a man whose credibility has always been in question. John Dean is bogus IMHO, certainly not George Bush. How very like the left to paint this President as mendacious as Bill Clinton, they always drag the opposition down to their level with spin and lies. Mr. Dean is no exception.

23 posted on 06/07/2003 8:24:05 AM PDT by yoe (Hillary has a lot more to answere to than just "pretty questions" from Ms. Waters...)
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To: harpu
"Frankly, I hope the WMDs are found, for it will end the matter."

But meanwhile, I want to get slobber all over the president because this is a good piece of jerky for the Dims to chew on and on and on and on.

And do you really think "it will end the matter?" Not a chance. The leftists are setting their own little verbal "land mines" and are trying to blow up the current administration.

24 posted on 06/07/2003 8:26:20 AM PDT by arasina (Thank God the White House now has plenty of CLEAN laundry!)
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To: Consort
The constitution says "high crimes and misdimeanors". That is pretty explicit that it is has to be a violation of the law. The framers didn't want presidents being impeached due to factions so easily.
25 posted on 06/07/2003 8:26:56 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: harpu
We are letting our enemies frame the argument as usual.

Check out the number of articles and threads on the news sites including FR and see how many combine WMDs with "lie, lying" etc.

WMD headlines mentioning - "faulty intel, honest mistake, not found yet, we know he had them once so what happened to them" - are mighty scarce on the ground.

26 posted on 06/07/2003 8:29:04 AM PDT by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Especially seeing how they would need at least 15 GOP congress critters and 18 GOP senators to pull it off..
27 posted on 06/07/2003 8:30:11 AM PDT by AntiGuv ()
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To: harpu

Is lying to Hiltler impeachable offense?


28 posted on 06/07/2003 8:32:24 AM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Hey, I was for the war strongly. WMD's or not. Saddam was a murderous thug who was destabilizing to the region, made us take up a dicey alliance with Saudi Arabia to counter him, and he needed to be gone.

However, let's not kid the kidders here. The administration before we went in talked like WMD's were pouring out of rooftops they were so vast in number.

They exaggerated. It is easier to rally the people behind WMD's than to say that our relationship with Saudi Arabia is a mess, and we are sick of being in bed with those thugs only to counter Saddam, and sanctions aren't working.

We had good reasons to go in. We just didn't have the intelligence on WMD's that we claimed we did. Our administration lied. All administrations lie. It's a fact of life.

29 posted on 06/07/2003 8:34:14 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: harpu
What about the missiles that had greater than 62-mile range that were found? It was agreed by all that they had a range far greater than what was legal under the surrender agreement with Saddam.
30 posted on 06/07/2003 8:39:05 AM PDT by ikka
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To: harpu
Please -- the number one coward in the nation, John "I'm Scared of Getting Raped in Prison" Dean, is the last person to talk about liars in government.
31 posted on 06/07/2003 8:40:33 AM PDT by beckett
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To: mr.pink
I don't care if we do find WMD's. I also don't care which specific individual person takes over the government in Iraq. What I do care about is that, whoever takes over in that country, it is unlikely that they will fund or support terrorism against this country and its citizens any time soon.

That's true for all the other countries that have supported terrorism, communism, clintons, and all other forms of evil in the last century. I don't care what the guy's last name is, or his first name. I just want to make sure that they understand that bad acts have consequences.

If the democrats and other Bush-haters want to support dictatorships and human-rights violations, that's fine. As long as they don't put me and mine in danger.

32 posted on 06/07/2003 8:41:18 AM PDT by Bernard
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To: dogbyte12
What about all this stuff?

WARNING: Gathering WMD storm a crock. See what Clinton told nation in 1998...

The Guardian Fully Retracts BOTH Powell/Straw Story AND Wolfowitz "It's All About Oil" Story

CIA convinced truck-trailers held bioweapons labs ^

IRAQ: WMD source 'was senior Iraqi officer'

FAS (Fed Am Scientist) Report: Iraqi Precursor Chemicals Stored Separately for Weapon-side Mixing

THE ROAD ENDS FOR WMD ON WHEELS

Coalition forces enter possible WMD site

Initial tests suggest WMD "cocktail" found in Iraq (**Of special note--post #58, by Archy)

U.S. finds new evidence of Iraqi WMD (NBC training school, antidotes)

Chem-weapons lab believed discovered

BRITS' CHILLING CHEM-NUKE FIND

CAPTURED FOES FOUND WITH CHEM-WAR GEAR

EUPHRATES 'POISONED'

MSNBC - Cyanide & Mustard Agents Found in Euphrates River

Is the Activity at Al Qaim Related to Nuclear Efforts?

U.S. probing nuclear facility (Al Tuwaitha Follow Up)

Team Inspects suspected plutonium site (update by the journalist who broke original story, NEW info)

Underground Nuclear Facility Found in Iraq

Marines hold Iraqi nuclear site built by French

U.S. Marines Guard Secret Iraqi City with Very Hot Nuclear Radiation Levels

And from Freeper "HatSteel":

Terrorist devices, chemical weapons found in Iraq

Suspicious Iraqi Drums - UPDATE

Suspected bioweapons labs found

Searching for Weapons of Mass Destruction, Larry Elder

Iraq's Weapons and the Road to War

Iraqi Scientist Links Weapons to 'Dual Use' Facilities, White House Says

IRAQ: U.S. Analysts Link Iraq Labs to Germ Arms

Illicit Arms Kept Till Eve of War, an Iraqi Scientist Is Said to Assert

Herald Sun: Soldiers find Iraqi chemical 'dump'

***Germany's leading role in arming Iraq

*Germany intercepts (30 tonnes) chemicals (may be used to make nerve gas) for N Korea

New DOD team to hunt for intel as well as weapons

***Chemical Weapons Programs

Capture of chemical expert could help U.S. weapons hunt in Iraq (Emad Husayn Abdulla al-Ani)

Belgium Finds Nerve Gas Ingredient in Letters

Banned missile programme found in Iraq

Administration to Announce 'Rollback' Strategy for WMD

Suspicious Iraqi Drums Preliminary Testing Suggests Chemical Agents; More Testing Needed

2 trailers deemed biological arms labs

***Table 2: Characteristics of Chemical Warfare Agents: Commercial Uses of Chemicals or Precursor Chemicals

******CENTAF IRAQ'S CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS PROGRAM


And I should add--

October 1998:Senate Democrats Signed Letter Urging Clinton To Attack Saddam Over WMDs, just posted today.

33 posted on 06/07/2003 8:41:48 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: Southack
The liberals are truly desperate. They will try to console themselves with these kinds of accusations, but that's all it is.

Nobody else is buying it.

34 posted on 06/07/2003 8:42:01 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: ikka
What does this jackass think was used on the Kurds after Gulf1?
35 posted on 06/07/2003 8:42:51 AM PDT by CanisLupus
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; FairOpinion
So the impeachment balloon has been launched...
36 posted on 06/07/2003 8:43:34 AM PDT by MizSterious (Support whirled peas!)
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To: dogbyte12
I'd agree that the WMD's became the football when pitching the war, but I don't think Bush ever really tried to sell the war in the sense that he had to build support at home.

The nation was, and is, supportive of the action. Bush simply did what he decided to do and acted as a leader. A refreshing change from the polling wieners of the Krinton years.

Fact is, America would've supported Bush if Saddam's only weapons were Daisy air rifles. Saddam is a terror supporter and that ain't setting too well with most Americans.

The WMD issue was simply the weakest point that the Left could criticize the adminitration on. For all of the millions of words written and broadcast on this topic, I'm confident that 99.9999999% of them originate in the brains of Bush hating Marxists. No such standards were required in calls for military action against Iraq during the Krinton years. In short, who cares?

This is only window dressing by lying whores trying to drum up customers.
37 posted on 06/07/2003 8:44:54 AM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: AntiGuv
Thanks. Needless to say, I am very disappointed: the writing betrays more anti-Bush feeling than stance on any kind of principle. Which is what led me to the suspicion of partisanship. My mistake, clearly.
38 posted on 06/07/2003 8:44:59 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: CanisLupus
What does this jackass think was used on the Kurds after Gulf1?

Or why we have Chemical Ali, or Dr. Germ, or Mrs. Anthrax...

39 posted on 06/07/2003 8:45:54 AM PDT by Carolina
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To: harpu
How do you feel about this long winded attack from John Dean?
40 posted on 06/07/2003 8:47:02 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton and Nader in primaries!)
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