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Even Patricia Ireland Used To Be Pro-Life
Washington Dispatch ^ | 6/7/2003 | Kevin M. Jeanfreau

Posted on 06/07/2003 12:49:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN

Jun 7, 2003

Patricia Ireland and her entire side used to be pro-life. Each and every one of them was, when they were young. If you had asked little Miss Ireland while in the first grade what is inside a pregnant woman’s tummy, she would have said a baby. If you had asked if it would be okay to hurt that baby in any way, she would have said no. Try it with a thousand first graders; their answers will all be basically the same. The fact is, as little ones we are naturally pro-life.

Children have been growing up these last three decades, being fed a prodigious diet of anti life, anti family rhetoric, seasoned with subtle “choice” sentiments. Over time, such propaganda slowly becomes “palatable”. Roughly 50 percent of them (us) change from their natural pro-life selves into pro-abortion adults. Sadly, during these same decades, children who have gone through Christian education from kindergarten through 12th grade have not been taught the truth about the sanctity of life and so statistically they are almost as likely to become pro-abortion as those who receive government education. This is the single most important factor why the holocaust continues, yet it remains largely un-addressed by the pro-life movement as well as Christian leaders.

Voting records of Christians show that our schools have not taught the truth about the unborn in an effective way as an option to the lies we’ve all been exposed to.


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This is an important insight into the pro-life movement and what it may take to turn our nation around, to value life and abhor the vast numbers of abortions on demand. Some pregnancy terminations will always be with us, but the horrendous numbers of abortions can be drastically reduced. Click Here for the rest of the essay.
1 posted on 06/07/2003 12:49:45 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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2 posted on 06/07/2003 12:51:05 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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ProLife Ping!

If anyone wants on or off my ProLife Ping List, please notify me here or by freepmail.

3 posted on 06/07/2003 12:54:30 PM PDT by Mr. Silverback (Sorry, I forgot to put a tagline here.)
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Please let me know if you want on or off my Pro-Life Ping List.

4 posted on 06/07/2003 12:58:15 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: MHGinTN
BTTT!!!!!!
5 posted on 06/07/2003 1:06:35 PM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: MHGinTN
Yes, Patricia Ireland use to be prolife, but that was
before she became a socialistic lesbian.
6 posted on 06/07/2003 1:10:09 PM PDT by AdvisorB
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To: cpforlife.org
bump!
7 posted on 06/07/2003 1:34:26 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Mr.Smorch
I wonder sometimes, if she became so anti-preborn before or after ther children were born?... Did she dispose of one or two prior to bearing these alive ones? It is a sad thing that women don't consider the unborn to be fully human beings and thus it's okay to slaughter them if inconvenient or expedient to do so. Having the SCOTUS make legal the killing of alive unborn children under the false guise of a 'reproductive right to kill' has no doubt led many women astray, to recruit them into the culture of 'death by someone elses choice.'
8 posted on 06/07/2003 1:42:02 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
This is true. All children are pro-life and naturally, instinctively horrified by the facts of abortion. Somewhere along the line, every pro-choice person has been swayed or convinced to believe abortion is OK.

I do not believe you will find any child under the age of 10, who has not heard of abortion before, who is not horrified and upset when it is explained to them in even the most nuetral and benign terms.

I explained it to my dauther when she came to ask me about it. This is exactly what I said (I wanted to find out what her reaction was so I did not use pro-life language, but pro-choice instead).

"When a the baby is very very tiny, it doesn't look like a baby it looks like a tadpole, sometimes a woman doesn't want want to let it grow into a baby and doesn't want to be a mommy, so she has a doctor take it out of her tummy and then it dies".

Immediately, my 8 year old daughter said, "But if she let it grow it would be baby someday" and later "Why doesn't she want it?" The clear logic of children is irrefutable. They instinctively understand that what is, is not what will be and the continuum of life ... without ever having taken biology or science classes. They know where they came from and that they would not be here if they had be "removed from the woman's tummy". Even without gory scare tactics, explaining abortion in the most positive pro-choice language possible .... children are horrified at the concept.

However, IMO most pro-choice persons avoid talking to children about abortion because they cannot refute the absolutely crystalline objective logic of children on the matter.
9 posted on 06/07/2003 1:47:11 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: All
As the author I’d like to post the entire article with some details that went missing from the post at TWD.

Even Patricia Ireland Used To Be Pro-Life
--And why so many Christians vote pro-abortion

Patricia Ireland and her entire side used to be pro-life. Each and every one of them was—when they were young. If you had asked little Miss. Ireland while in the first grade what is inside a pregnant woman’s “tummy,” she would have said a baby. If you had asked if it would be okay to hurt that baby in any way, she would have said no. Try it with a thousand first graders; their answers will all be basically the same. The fact is, as little ones we are naturally pro-life.

Children have been growing up these last three decades, being fed a prodigious diet of anti life, anti family rhetoric, seasoned with subtle “choice” sentiments. Over time, such propaganda slowly becomes “palatable”. Roughly 50 percent of them (us) change from their natural pro-life selves into pro-abortion adults. Sadly, during these same decades, children who have gone through Christian education from kindergarten through 12th grade have not been taught the truth about the sanctity of life and so statistically they are almost as likely to become pro-abortion as those who receive government education. This is the single most important factor why the holocaust continues, yet it remains largely un-addressed by the pro-life movement as well as Christian leaders.

Voting records of Christians show that our schools have not taught the truth about the unborn in an effective way as an option to the lies we’ve all been exposed to. When our shepherds express their “sadness and frustration” over their flocks repeated votes for pro-abortion politicians, it must be respectfully pointed out to these shepherds that they did not educate their former students in Christian schools as to WHY they are supposed to be pro-life, to vote pro-life. THEY WERE NOT TAUGHT THE TRUTH, so they swallowed the lies. It is time for the pro-life movement together with the leaders of the Protestant and Catholic churches to face this simple reality: We are responsible for how our students of today will live and VOTE as adults.

With comprehensive Pro-Life education in Christian schools, from K-12 (and beyond), we can greatly reduce that 50 percent of the “Patricia Ireland's” who become pro-abortion. One document that offered so much opportunity, and still is truly authoritative on this subject is entitled Respect Life Curriculum Guidelines. It was published in 1977 by the Department of Education, United States Catholic Conference. Here are some brief quotes:

"The pastoral plan for pro-life activities, issued by the U.S. bishops in November, 1975, urged the development of educational tools to bring the Church’s teaching of the value of life and on the life-centered issues in an effective way, through our educational apostolate, to the whole Church." (Page one)

"These Guidelines...are a response to the challenges and crisis of our time. The education envisioned by these guidelines seeks long-term improvements. The assumption here is (1) that positive respect life attitudes can be inculcated through educational processes, and (2) that these attitudes and values, reflected in the many issues of daily life, will have practical impact on people's lives and environment." (Page four)

This 109 page book has guidelines for "Pre-school through High School" It went further still into curriculum guidelines for "Adult Learners, Parents and Families, Adults in Leadership Positions in the Church ...and Community." (Page three) The voting records of those who received Catholic education after these Guidelines were published clearly indicate that this book never received anything near the attention required to achieve its intended purpose. It is available on-line at: http://www.nccbuscc.org/prolife/publicat/respectl.htm (scroll to the very bottom, Item # 7715). Also, we have posted excerpts from the first few pages, at http://www.cpforlife.org/id94

It is reasonable to expect that if Christian school students were to receive thorough and proper sanctity of life education from K-12 (with testing) we could reduce that percentage mentioned above from 50 to perhaps 25 percent. If we could have kept half of the pro-life children, who grew up and currently vote for pro-abortion candidates, it is quite likely that by now the numbers of politicians required to pass a human life amendment would have already been elected. Exactly one-half of voters in the 2000 presidential election were age 18-44. This entire group was in school after Roe v. Wade, and those who received Christian education could also have received a pro-life education. In this regard, our pro-life movement has in effect put the cart in front of the horse. The laws won't change until years after the culture does¾and change to a significant majority.

What will change the culture? At the heart of it, this is truly a basic problem and there is a straightforward solution. The sanctity of life is a simple truth that can and must be taught like any other subject. In Christian schools it should be the preeminent subject in religion class and receive the greatest attention and highest Respect. The war between the cultures of life and death is the single thing that has a bearing on the destiny of our nation and the very survival of our society. Every student beginning kindergarten is naturally pro-life. If the Christian schools were to nurture this gift and guide the proper formation of their Christian consciences with ongoing teachings while continuously building on successive lessons—over the course of thirteen years the vast majority of these students would be solid pro-life citizens. Protestant and Catholic leaders who control schools, Bible study, CCD etc. need only the will to make this happen. Each day this doesn't happen is another day of victory for the pro-abortion forces, because ignorance of the masses is the only hope the pro-abortion forces have for survival.

One should also consider that regardless of the law, education would greatly reduce the number of abortions because women who received Christian education as school students have a significant percentage of abortions. The industry of death would diminish in power if the demand for abortion were cut, significantly.

The solution to ending the culture of death does not realistically lie with changing or “reversing” the minds of pro-abortion adults; it lies with preserving the 99+ % of children that are already pro-life on their first day of school. We examine this in The Missing Key of The Pro-Life Movement, available at CHRISTIAN PATRIOTS FOR LIFE

To the leaders of the pro-life movement and more directly, to those in charge of Christian education systems: With regard to comprehensive pro-life education for your students, start today, because there are millions of “Patricia Ireland’s” in your schools—right now.

Kevin M. Jeanfreau is the founder of Christian Patriots For Life, www.CpForLife.org He may be contacted at Kevin@CpForLife.org.

10 posted on 06/07/2003 1:48:03 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
Please add me to your ping list
11 posted on 06/07/2003 1:48:07 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Lorianne
I will VERY gladly add you to the Pro-Life Ping List!

Your post number 9 made my day and confirmed me in my work. I cannot believe that your experience is that rare, but so few people seem to be interested in what I am proposing.

Abortion and the related topics are not going to be corrected with the political process. This is a Moral and ACADEMIC problem. If all the students were educated on LIFE starting in 1973, is there any doubt things would be different today?

Please take time to visit my two websites:

Christian Patriots For Life at:
http://www.cpforlife.org

AND

NATIONAL AMERICAN HOLOCAUST MEMORIAL at:
http://www.cpforlife.org/memorial

Thanks,

Kevin
12 posted on 06/07/2003 2:14:58 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: Polycarp
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13 posted on 06/07/2003 2:22:53 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: MHGinTN
Even Patricia Ireland Used To Be Pro-Life

Wow, I could never have guessed. She is such a heartless, selfish, miserable individual, and she shows it, too.

14 posted on 06/07/2003 2:23:32 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: cpforlife.org
Thanks for the ping, cpforlife.

Bump!

15 posted on 06/07/2003 2:24:21 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: BlackElk
Ping
16 posted on 06/07/2003 2:25:08 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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17 posted on 06/07/2003 2:27:12 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: MHGinTN
I was about to log off, but I'd like to add what I believe might be a larger group of people to the pro-life movement:

Doscounting the already over-hyped population of maladjusted, welfare-dependent first time mothers, I respectfully would like to add NORMAL first time mothers.

The reason is that so many I have spoken to over the years for various reasons were (as well-trained, 'open minded' products the last 20 years of 'tolorant' society) 'pro-choice'.

During pregnancy or upon becoming a mother (depends on the individual) al normal first time mothers, upon falling in love, suddenly realize in a very close, personal, and emotionally painful way (even if they never had an abortion) just WHAT, exactly, is LOST in 'the choice'.

G'night all. Might have to watch my teething grandson after all....I don't think it'll be so bad.

18 posted on 06/07/2003 3:01:16 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: All
If you want children to speak read or write English you start teaching them when they are VERY young. They will go through 13 years of schooling (K-12). They will regularly take tests, and each new lesson builds on previous things taught. If you want them to be proficient at math or science or any other subjects, you teach them in a comprehensive way. This is as common sense as it gets.

Why then do Christian school/education systems that are under the mantel of those denominations that profess to be “Pro-Life” not TEACH the sanctity of life. Why hasn’t the pro-life movement caught on in the 30+ years of this holocaust!? I challenge anyone to show where this is not a powerful way to destroy the culture of death.
19 posted on 06/07/2003 3:11:17 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
I agree with the premise of promoting "the culture of life" however I think promoting this culture goes far, far beyond anti-abortion viewpoint.

For one example, children need to be taught in a gender-equal way that new human life is created by a man AND woman, and that BOTH are responsible for their offspring's existence and welfare. Inequality breeds inequality. In particular, any inequality presented to girls WILL be percieved as unfair, and make them vulnerable to adopting the pro-choice viewpoint later in life.

Just as children instinctively understand the value of life, they also understand the basic concepts of justice and equality. If we are saying ALL life is of equal value, we cannot then turn around and promote that some people are more responsible than others for the consequences of their actions.

The "culture of life" has to embody the concept of equal personal responsibility as an irrefutable moral premise.

20 posted on 06/07/2003 3:25:12 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Would like your thoughts on this. Is this a good or bad concept?
21 posted on 06/07/2003 3:35:17 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: MHGinTN
What is the Washington Dispatch? From whom does it get its funding?
22 posted on 06/07/2003 3:36:45 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Lorianne
Great points. I do address much of them at my website. Of course my focus is ending abortion euthanasia etc., so that is stressed the most.
23 posted on 06/07/2003 3:43:52 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
ping me too please.
24 posted on 06/07/2003 4:29:15 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: MHGinTN; cpforlife.org
Another Miss Ireland went the opposite way:

Kathy Ireland, Supermodel
"I was once pro-choice. And the thing that changed my mind was, I read my husband's biology books, medical books and what I learned is simply what it states - this isn't even morally -- this is pure biology. At the moment of conception, a life starts. And this life has its own unique set of DNA, which contains a blueprint for the whole genetic being. The sex isdetermined. Now people ask the question, well, is it a human being? We know there's a life because it's growing and changing."
From ABC's television weeknight show, "Politically Incorrect", May 1, 1998

25 posted on 06/07/2003 5:09:32 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MHGinTN; cpforlife.org
Reverend Jesse Jackson - he endorsed the Hyde Amendment in an open letter to Congress that opposed federal funds used for "killing infants." Mr. Jackson wrote the following statements in a 1977 National Right to Life News article
"There are those who argue that the right to privacy is of [a] higher order than the right to life ... that was the premise of slavery. You could not protest the existence or treatment of slaves on the plantation because that was private and therefore outside your right to be concerned. "What happens to the mind of a person, and the moral fabric of a nation, that accepts the aborting of the life of a baby without a pang of conscience? What kind of a person and what kind of a society will we have 20 years hence if life can be taken so casually? It is that question, the question of our attitude, our value system, and our mind-set with regard to the nature and worth of life itself that is the central question confronting mankind. Failure to answer that question affirmatively may leave us with a hell right here on earth."

Sen. Edward Kennedy, [D-Mass.], in a letter to a constituent, August 3, 1971
"While the deep concern of a woman bearing an unwanted child merits consideration and sympathy, it is my personal feeling that the legalization of abortion on demand is not in accordance with the value which our civilization places on human life. Wanted or unwanted, I believe that human life, even at its earliest stages, has certain rights which must be recognized -- the right to be born, the right to love, the right to grown old.

"I share the confidence of those who feel that America is working to care for its unwanted as well as wanted children, protecting particularly those who cannot protect themselves. I also share the opinions of those who do not accept abortion as a response to our society's problems -- an inadequate welfare system, unsatisfactory job training programs, and insufficient financial support for all its citizens.

"When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which cared about human beings enough to halt the practice of war, to provide a decent living for every family and to fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception."

Rep. Richard Gephardt (D-Mo.)
"Life is the division of human cells, a process that begins with conception.... The [Supreme Court's abortion] ruling was unjust, and it is incumbent on the Congress to correct the injustice." Mr. Gephardt wrote in 1984, "I have always been supportive of pro-life legislation. I intend to remain steadfast on this issue.... I believe that the life of the unborn should be protected at all costs."

Bill Clinton, in a letter to Arkansas Right to Life, September 26, 1986
"I am opposed to abortion and to government funding of abortions. We should not spend state funds on abortions because so many people believe abortion is wrong."

26 posted on 06/07/2003 5:18:38 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: MHGinTN
I used to be pro-Choice until I saw photos of unborn babies and preemies. Now I am PRO-LIFE!!!!!!!!

IT IS NOT A CHOICE
IT IS A CHILD!!!!!
27 posted on 06/07/2003 5:20:59 PM PDT by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Mistress of Darkness? Me Neither!!!!!!!!!!!!!)
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To: MHGinTN
Thanks, as always, for great info. I am taking Kevin's curriculum to our education commission, to be sure we have enough pro-life material included in our classrooms.
28 posted on 06/07/2003 6:14:01 PM PDT by A-teamMom
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To: cpforlife.org
You inspire me when I feel this is a lost cause. Before the statewide election last year, several women from our church got together to send letters informing parishioners that to vote for the pro-choice candidate violated church teaching. I said at one point, "This is useless. Granholm will win and most Catholics don't seem to care." A wise woman there said, "It is not about us. This fight will extend past our lifetime and we have to lay a firm foundation for our children so they will carry on the fight after us." That had a profound impact on me. I have felt that God has put this fire in my belly about abortion for a reason and I am here to serve Him.
29 posted on 06/07/2003 6:20:45 PM PDT by A-teamMom
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To: cpforlife.org
It's an excellent concept, Kevin. At least in my nineteen year old opinion.

The problem is, when it's only in Christian schools, it's not going to solve the problem. It has to be more widespread than that.
30 posted on 06/07/2003 6:55:47 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford (Save your breath. You'll need it to blow up your date.)
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To: cpforlife.org
PRO-LIFE is A Beautiful Thing.
31 posted on 06/07/2003 7:19:45 PM PDT by victim soul
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To: MHGinTN
the horrendous numbers of abortions can be drastically reduced.

You're right about that. But you already know what I think will do it, and it isn't what pro-life people want to hear.

I first ran into this abortion issue long before abortion was made legal in the USA. A friend of my sister had one in some dark alley somewhere, rusty coathanger and all. Made my flesh crawl, doubly so when that lady then wanted to hook up with me. Whoa! I am not suitable to be a liberal. Some people just aren't.

32 posted on 06/07/2003 8:32:58 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: Cathryn Crawford; MHGinTN; A-teamMom; All
Cathryn,

Think of this from a different angle: In the 30+ years since Roe, the problem has not been solved without it.

This is a project that takes time to build the required numbers. Once the critical mass has been reached it becomes increasingly entrenched into the culture.

It very well may have worked already if it started in 1973. Among the current students who are in kindergarten through twelfth grade in the U.S., over twelve million are in Protestant schools or Bible study, 6.8 million are in Catholic schools or CCD, and well over one million are being home schooled. And of course it can't happen in public schools.

Also think of the peripheral effects: The number of adults who will be learning and changing and more importantly the kids who share this truth with friends who are in gov’t schools.

If we could add up the tens of millions of people who would now be pro-life today but for lack of pro-life education are pro-choice--the numbers would be monumental.

A note about politics: Most elections are won by relatively close margins. We only need to shift the percentage of voters a few points to win the extra seats needed for true pro-life legislation.

33 posted on 06/07/2003 8:45:57 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
I agree.

Most of these kids are, in essence, pro-life; perhaps it is just that they don't have a clear understanding as to why they believe that.
34 posted on 06/07/2003 8:48:57 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: A-teamMom; MHGinTN; Cathryn Crawford; All
A note: I have a group that is working on classroom lesson plans for K-12. When it is done I will post them at our Pro-Life Education Page

Everyone who wants to use them will be able to download for free.

I hope this encourages others to share their ideas for lessons. I'll be happy to post other groups projects/lessons for all to share.

The goal is to fine tune the curriculum and then try to have it published professionally to promote it nationally into the schools.

35 posted on 06/07/2003 9:04:53 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
Thank you very much; and, keep up the excellent work.
36 posted on 06/07/2003 9:06:27 PM PDT by Cathryn Crawford
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To: MHGinTN; All
Say Hello To Marvin

He travels all over the
world with his mom,
she's in the
Pro-Life Movement.

In fact, there's thousands of American's just like
Marvin who travel, go shopping, and all the other
things Americans are Free to do. Shouldn't all
Americans be free to live their lives and
achieve their unique potentials like Marvin?

LIFE-What a Beautiful Choice


37 posted on 06/07/2003 10:47:35 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: MHGinTN
You will never win until you tell the truth. You must expose those who push abortion and profit from it.But you never will, will you?
38 posted on 06/07/2003 10:53:04 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
"You will never win until you tell the truth. You must expose those who push abortion and profit from it.But you never will, will you?"

WHO are you refering to exactly? I'd really like to know what it is you are talking about.

39 posted on 06/07/2003 11:02:50 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cpforlife.org
You know, Kevin, I never really thought of it that way! My Mother is pro-life, and proved it by bringing this old curmudgeon into the world to aggravate defenders of the indefensible. [Uh, that post was a bit over the top, though. You're spoiling my 'low profile', Kevin! Besides, you airbrushed out the steering wheel in my hands.]
40 posted on 06/07/2003 11:22:26 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Cathryn Crawford
A question for you, CC. Any help?
41 posted on 06/07/2003 11:23:16 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: DPB101
Since you posted your reply as to post #1, perhaps you'd like to enlightened us all as to what was inaccurate or a lie by omission.
42 posted on 06/07/2003 11:28:20 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
LOL-Glad it got your attention!

Check this one out:

Pictures can teach MORE than a thousand words.

Students can be shown two pictures like above. The teacher can simply explain that they are both of the same person; the first one was taken around New Years day, and the second around the following Christmas.

43 posted on 06/07/2003 11:32:50 PM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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To: cake_crumb
I was just wondering. How many abused, abandoned, AIDs infected, and/or starved children are you wiling to take in?
44 posted on 06/07/2003 11:37:47 PM PDT by Fredsterman (How you ask?)
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To: cpforlife.org
It's late here in Tennessee, but that baby's face is a most pleasant end to the evening! Nickcarraway has the little Iraqi girl with the flag on his profile page. That one warms my old heart, also. She has the innocent expression that transcends religions and goes straight to the heart of God!

Someone once told me that baby smiles touch our hearts because the glow comes from so recently being in His presence. I suppose it's kind of like Moses and the shakinah glory, eh?

45 posted on 06/07/2003 11:40:51 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Fredsterman
Are you proposing killing the alive preborn as a means to deal with the social difficulties, or are you just trying to blow smoke with vacuous-brained 'guilt by specious association' comments?
46 posted on 06/07/2003 11:42:48 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: MHGinTN
Bump for life for all babies!
47 posted on 06/07/2003 11:43:14 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MHGinTN; cpforlife.org
Didn't accuse you or anyone else of being inaccurate or lying.

You want to play namby-pamby, sancity of life, OK by me.

You want to stop the practice, you must name names,tell who profits and what the real agenda is.

Just my opinion of course. I could be wrong.

48 posted on 06/08/2003 12:02:06 AM PDT by DPB101
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You want to stop the practice, you must name names,tell who profits and what the real agenda is. That's a heck of a way to claim mere 'opinion', using must in your directions. And of course I don't agree completely, but it is not so difficult to get the public documents of building omnerships and abortionists ... but that invites a non-prolife action against such people, doesn't it. Very Rudolphesque, that.
49 posted on 06/08/2003 12:05:00 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: DPB101
DPB101,

This thread is about teaching Christian school students about the sanctity of life, so they will live and VOTE against the culture of death as adults. Let's keep it on topic.
50 posted on 06/08/2003 12:26:35 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (“My people are destroyed from lack of knowledge.” Hosea 4:6)
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