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Trotsky's ghost wandering the White House: Bolshevik's writings influence on Bush aides
nationalpost.com ^ | Saturday, June 07, 2003 | Jeet Heer

Posted on 06/07/2003 8:55:20 PM PDT by Destro

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1 posted on 06/07/2003 8:55:20 PM PDT by Destro
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To: TruthIsNotLiberal
fyi
2 posted on 06/07/2003 8:56:12 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

3 posted on 06/07/2003 8:56:45 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Great commentary and right on target!
4 posted on 06/07/2003 8:58:01 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Oh really?
5 posted on 06/07/2003 8:58:32 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Trotskyism is a living force that people fight over

Even if Trotsky had never lived, Trotskyites would still exist.

6 posted on 06/07/2003 9:00:15 PM PDT by RightWhale (gazing at shadows)
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To: MEG33
If I could find a picture of an ostrich I would reply to you that way.
7 posted on 06/07/2003 9:00:23 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
LOL
8 posted on 06/07/2003 9:06:12 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Destro

What the....?

Destro!

What are you thinking posting this without commentary?

Christopher Hitchens an influence on the White House?  Ha Ha Ha!!!  More like the other way around.  He can barely get enough people to read his blog!

Trotsky's followers today are agnostic Jews with inexplicable Marxist views.  There are unfortunately a great number of these folks.

Wolfowitz?  Cheney?  Hardly!

This is yet another smear of "neo-conservatives" or in common parlance today, Republican Jews.

Not to stereotype too much but Jeet Heer would appear to be the self-hating type.

 

9 posted on 06/07/2003 9:13:27 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
I thought I'd laugh myself silly over the Hitchens bit.
10 posted on 06/07/2003 9:18:47 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Cacique
Ping!
11 posted on 06/07/2003 9:19:54 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Destro
It's time to let poor Jeet (the author of this spiel) in on an old joke.

You see, "bolshevik" means "majority" or "big piece", but it was a DEROGATORY term for Lennin and his most loyal followers.

In Communist circles, Lennin was considered a radical and he wasn't very popular, however, after Lenin had insulted numerous Communists at a Party meeting, enough of them walked out that Lenin and his small group briefly constituted a majority. In those few brief moments, Lenin siezed control of the local socialists and propelled himself into the leadership position for the October Revolution et al.

But the joke among Communists was that Lenin and his tiny group were "Bolsheviks". Everyone called them "Bolsheviks" in the same way that politicians called Lyndon Johnson "Landslide Lyndon" after his questionable victory in his Senate race (by 13 votes from box 13 after the polls closed). The joke was so prevalent that the name stuck. Lenin and his followers were forever laughed at as "Bolsheviks", even though they only had a "majority" for a few brief moments in time.

Alas, such a joke is probably too complicated for Jeets to grasp, however, even after a full explanation!

12 posted on 06/07/2003 9:26:08 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Destro
Here's a good Russian joke...

One night Stalin is up late and can't sleep. The spectres of those he's killed are haunting him and the hate and fear of those around him isolate him as though he were in prison.

He decides to go out into the night and walk the streets of Moscow.

After walking several hours, he finds a small tavern open and goes in for some vodka.

Inside is a bleary patron well into his cups.

Stalin, hungry for human companionship, strikes up a conversation with the fellow.

They laugh. They drink. They become very, very drunk.

Suddenly, Stalin asks the man point-blank what he thinks of the Soviet Leader Stalin.

The man is instantly sober.

The sleepy bartender stops wiping the counter and quickly leaves the room.

The tick of the clock becomes thunderously loud.

The man, his eyes darting all about, stands up and moves to the door motioning Stalin to follow him out into the night.

Stalin rises after a moment and follows.

When Stalin gets outside, he looks about and sees the man turning the corner.

Stalin walks quickly to the corner just in time to see the man walk into a darkened alley in the middle of the next block.

He walks quickly to catch up and reaching the alley he turns into it.

The alley is silent and black. Fearing that he might be ambushed, Stalin walks cautiously through the darkness.

Just as he reaches the dead end of the alley, he hears the scrape of shoe leather on cobblestones.

He turns around and sees the figure of the man huddled in a doorway alcove.

The man motions for him to come closer.

Stalin bends his ear to the mans cupped hand, and the man says:

"I like him."
13 posted on 06/07/2003 9:29:36 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Southack
Um I always thought that bolshevik meant minority and menshevik (did I spell that right?) meant majority.
14 posted on 06/07/2003 9:30:31 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Incorrigible
I am not so quick to dismiss this.
15 posted on 06/07/2003 9:32:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
What country are you from?
16 posted on 06/07/2003 9:39:21 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: All
Well, it seems that calling the Bush people nazis and
fascists never stuck, so now they will try calling them
communists. Hey, it could work.
17 posted on 06/07/2003 9:40:54 PM PDT by DeepDish
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To: MEG33
Citizen of the US of A and registered Republican.
18 posted on 06/07/2003 9:42:27 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
I thought perhaps you had lived where there was communist oppression and be particularly sensitive to the threat.
19 posted on 06/07/2003 9:45:30 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Destro's a good FReeper (even though he's a shady arms dealer!) with very many high quality posts and replies to his name.

I think he's reaching a bit with this one though!

20 posted on 06/07/2003 9:52:47 PM PDT by Incorrigible
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To: Incorrigible
Agree
21 posted on 06/07/2003 9:55:17 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Destro

22 posted on 06/07/2003 9:57:10 PM PDT by baseballmom
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To: baseballmom
Great !
23 posted on 06/07/2003 9:57:52 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Incorrigible
Anti-communist router outer.
24 posted on 06/07/2003 10:02:49 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
The Red menace is real and ongoing...see Progressive
25 posted on 06/07/2003 10:05:25 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
see neo-con influences....
26 posted on 06/07/2003 10:07:19 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
While I am aware of some of the history you may base this on....The neo con bug a boo is overstated and some of it wrong.
27 posted on 06/07/2003 10:11:14 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33; Fracas
Joseph Stalin, the Soviet dictator, was paranoid. Perhaps his deepest fears centred around his great rival for the leadership of the Bolshevik movement, Leon Trotsky

Oh good grief. This writer is either trying to distort history or is ignorant. Stalin wasn't even a factor in 1917. Or 1918. Or 1921. He was a nothing. The Bolsheviks had killed millions before Stalin became a force. The internal battle was between the Trotsky/Zinoviev foreign elites and the Kaganovich/Yagoda hard nosed ghetto dwellers--Stalin was just a a front. Lazar was Stalin's brother-in-law. His daughter married into the Kaganovich clan as well.

28 posted on 06/07/2003 11:21:52 PM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Distorting history to suit his purpose - AND ignorant.

The left cannot understand GWB - they constantly try to fit him into a mold. Ashcroft is a Fascist...Neocons rule the world...Hitler references everywhere...and now Stalin! LOL. This isn't even appropriate for the bottom of the bird cage.

29 posted on 06/07/2003 11:32:40 PM PDT by Fracas
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To: MEG33; Destro
I watched a televised UCLA "debate" about the war in Iraq. Hitchens was supposedly taking the side of Bush, but it was like watching the left debate the far-left. Gore could have been a better job representing the right-wing than Hitchens did.

30 posted on 06/07/2003 11:39:23 PM PDT by Susannah (Veterans...the most treasured and endangered ones)
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To: Fracas; DPB101; MEG33
The article is not an attack on Bush-if it is an attack (by being an expose) it is an attack on neo-cons and Bush is not a neo-con. He does take advice from this group though--but he takes advice from paleo-cons too.
31 posted on 06/07/2003 11:59:36 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
The essay is a heaving, steaming pile of ripe manure written by kid in NYC who thinks referring to "Shachtman" makes him an intellectual.
32 posted on 06/08/2003 12:11:02 AM PDT by DPB101
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To: DPB101
Me thinks though doest protest too much...

Which part if you please.....and for what reason...

You know do what you would do if you were in college and explian your position.

33 posted on 06/08/2003 12:17:10 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Taken one by one, Jeet's articles contain some useful information, but put them all together and they get sillier and sillier, and amount to a child's view of the world. So Wolfowitz has heard of Schachtman. That hardly explains administration policies. Politicians and policies can't simply be reduced to some assumed intellectual influences, whether real or (as in this case) merely presumed. They have to be examined on the own terms, and in light of the purposes they are supposed to fulfill.
34 posted on 06/08/2003 12:39:00 AM PDT by x
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To: Destro
1. Silly title. Neocons are the only consistant anti-Communists these days.
2. Expansionism to forward the revolution preceded the Declaration of Independence. We invaded Canada in 1775.
35 posted on 06/08/2003 12:53:38 AM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Destro
I thought neo cons were cought in the web of the neo facist Strauss.
36 posted on 06/08/2003 3:32:08 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
caught..oops
37 posted on 06/08/2003 3:33:36 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: Destro
Of course Trotsky is most famous as the Mr. Body in the Clue case, "Raoul in the library with the ice pick."
38 posted on 06/08/2003 7:51:58 AM PDT by Lonesome in Massachussets ("ALL THE NEWS THAT FITS, WE PRINT")
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To: Destro
see neo-con influences....

Whats really on your mind, worried about your christian identity?

39 posted on 06/08/2003 8:54:24 AM PDT by mac_truck
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To: mac_truck
I am not a member of the Christian Identity - Anglo-Israel cultists if that is what you meant.
40 posted on 06/08/2003 9:49:23 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro

41 posted on 06/08/2003 9:55:50 AM PDT by CurlyBill (Voter fraud is one of the primary campaign strategies of the Democrats!!!!)
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To: Destro
While the article is interesting the headline is misleading. One would assume from the headline that some top Bush aides are Trotsky-ites and dedicated communists. There is no direct line between Trotsky and the White House presented in this article, and the conclusion of the article does not lead back to the headline. Does my study of various political leaders throughout history make me a 'student' of Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Kennedy, or Churchill? Maybe. But being a student of history and politics does not mean I espouse anything I have ever read, it just means I studied it in order to gain an understanding of the world we live in.

Unfortunately, a more appropriate headline would not garner the 'splash' this one does, and I think therein lies the explanation. I wouldn't quite call it yellow journalism, but it certainly has an off color hue due to a poor, although sensational, title.

42 posted on 06/08/2003 10:11:23 AM PDT by BlueNgold (Feed the Tree .....)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

He's just resting up...
43 posted on 06/08/2003 10:20:10 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim (A bad day FReepin' beats a good day workin'.)
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To: Destro
Bolshoi means Big.
44 posted on 06/08/2003 1:19:43 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Southack
Ok I remember now--the Mensheviks
means minority and why it confused me is that while called the minority party were in actuality the majority in terms of numbers...That is how I remember it, am I off?
45 posted on 06/08/2003 1:26:27 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
Correct.
46 posted on 06/08/2003 1:29:38 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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bttt
This thread really deserves more replies.
47 posted on 07/07/2003 7:58:03 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Fascinating indeed-much to learn here. You are correct. BTTT
48 posted on 07/13/2003 8:47:48 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: Destro
This article was used in JBS.org The New American July 14. Fascinating that it was employed to attack the Bush Administration. We could learn much about propaganda by reading the various interpretations of & about the Communists, the Left, & their fellows of the Media.
49 posted on 07/13/2003 8:51:22 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Look under the car-they may have transponders or other devices & they may penetrate the pan with radio waves.
50 posted on 07/13/2003 8:52:50 AM PDT by GatekeeperBookman
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