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President Bush vs. The G-d of Israel
Women In Green - By eMail ^ | Sunday June 8 2003 | Ruth and Nadia Matar

Posted on 06/08/2003 4:07:35 AM PDT by Brian Allen

Charles Krauthammer, a famous national syndicated columnist, pointed out in a recent article that President Bush, at Sharm-el-Sheikh, put the prestige of the United States presidency on the line for the sake of Arab-Israeli peace.

As usual, he got nothing in return from the Arabs.

What Krauthammer failed to point out, however, is that by the Bush Administration supporting and pressuring Israel to accept the Road Map, President Bush is defying the Will of the G-d of Israel.

In the Book of Joel (Joel 4:2) the Bible speaks very harshly about those who "divided up My land." When President Bush calls for dividing up the Promised Land into an Arab and a Jewish State, he is defying what is clearly set forth in the Old Testament.

He is setting himself up as someone who is in opposition to the Will of the G-d of Israel. He thereby exposes those who live in the United States to the punishment that is certain to follow.

"I will bless those who bless you and him who curses you, I will curse?" (Genesis: 12:3)

Apparently, President Bush is willing to submit to the pressures of Saudi Arabia. The Saudis use their great oil wealth to pressure the U.S. against tiny Israel, without themselves abandoning their hatred of Israel and the Jewish People.

Because the United States now has a large oil supply available since its conquest of Iraq, one would think that it would be less submissive to Saudi dictates.

Whatever the reason for cowering to Saudi Arabia, President Bush, the U.S. State Department and the Saudis would be wise to avoid the certain punishments that are to follow the disobeying of the wishes of the G-d of Israel, who is the L-rd of the Universe.

Jerusalem, June 8, 2003


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President Bush and the self-annointed and self-perpetuating State Department Brahmanas will be wise to avoid the certain punishments that are to follow the disobeying of the wishes of the G-d of Israel, who is the L-rd of the Universe.

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1 posted on 06/08/2003 4:07:35 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: dennisw; veronica; BenF; TopQuark; knighthawk; OldFriend
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2 posted on 06/08/2003 4:10:57 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
C'mom everybody! Let's pile on President Bush.
3 posted on 06/08/2003 4:15:59 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Brian Allen
Ah! An important message about following the word of God, from the folks who were told not to invoke His name, but who think changing the "o" to a "-" is enough to fool him!
4 posted on 06/08/2003 4:20:18 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: SubMareener
May I ask why people do that here?
5 posted on 06/08/2003 4:21:21 AM PDT by KKing
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To: Brian Allen
in my town we have a group that call themselves the 'women in black' and they march to protest the israeli 'occupation' and war in iraq--it is great to see that a movement like 'women in green' exists- thanx for the contatct info!
6 posted on 06/08/2003 4:21:47 AM PDT by Tiger28
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To: battlegearboat
That might be your intent and/or desire but it is not mine.

President Bush is a Good Man and a Great American.

And would be the first to recognise that to err is Human.

And to acknowledge his Human falibility.

But, as for the state department?

With "friends" like Foggy Bottom's Alger Hiss bastard-offspring-descended Brahmanas, none of: America, the Nation of Israel nor Human Civilization itself; need look further for its most insidious, most effective and deadliest of all enemies.
7 posted on 06/08/2003 4:24:53 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
Considering man has volition, just as the angels do, and today we live in the Time of the Gentiles, wouldn't it be a unique change of pace if all men simply remained obedient to God's will.

Mankind seems to have fallen into a form of trap, believing our entire fate is either a self-fulfilling worldly doom, or a convolution of born again saints seeking to fulfill the Great Commission with rebellious sinners seeking to substitute any false will for His.

Instead of John Lenin's dream, imagine a world where men simply remianed obedient to His will. It is an option.

8 posted on 06/08/2003 4:27:09 AM PDT by Cvengr (0;^))
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To: Brian Allen
Gee which Bible is being quoted here my King James does not have a Joel 4:2.

Genesis 12:3 was speaking to Abram, and what seems to be over looked is what was said in verse 2 And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

v3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed."


Somebody please tell me who has been the greatest nation of all recorded history and which nation has fed the world and which nation that all families of the earth have been blessed by?
9 posted on 06/08/2003 4:27:24 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: SubMareener
Nothing so easily discovers the liberals among US as their own inability to overcome the pathological projection syndrome that has them automatically attacking and demonizing the messenger.
10 posted on 06/08/2003 4:28:27 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: KKing

D- wh-t?

11 posted on 06/08/2003 4:28:35 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: Cvengr
<< It is an option. >>

Not for me, it's not.

It is The Law.

Blessings -- Brian

<]:^)~<
12 posted on 06/08/2003 4:30:29 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Just mythoughts
Somebody please tell me who has been the greatest nation of all recorded history and which nation has fed the world and which nation that all families of the earth have been blessed by?

It ain't over yet!!

13 posted on 06/08/2003 4:32:49 AM PDT by WKB (Actual Headline: Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers)
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To: Brian Allen
Amen! to that, Brother!
14 posted on 06/08/2003 4:33:35 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: Just mythoughts
It's a pretty well kept secret, eh?

But Mathew 6 insists it be so!
15 posted on 06/08/2003 4:34:08 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: WKB
You are exactly right it is not over and it sure is not going to go down like the majority think and plot and plan for it to be.
16 posted on 06/08/2003 4:34:51 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
You are exactly right it is not over and it sure is not going to go down like the majority think and plot and plan for it to be.

HE says "My thoughts are not your thoughts and my ways are not your ways".

17 posted on 06/08/2003 4:37:43 AM PDT by WKB (Actual Headline: Police Begin Campaign to Run Down Jaywalkers)
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To: Brian Allen
Methinks you cannot recognize sarcasm when you see it.
18 posted on 06/08/2003 4:39:05 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: Brian Allen
Matthew 6: insists what to be so?
19 posted on 06/08/2003 4:40:05 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Brian Allen
Unless it is made absolutely clear to the Arab world that terrorism will not be rewarded it will go on until Israel is annihilated. The creation of a Palestinian state would reward terrorism.
Israel faces a harsh choice: Either go on being a modern-liberal-tolerant state, with a large internal Arab population, and be destroyed; or drive out the internal Arabs, drive the Palestinians out of the west bank, and take back the west bank. The Arabs can have their Palestinian state: It's called Jordan.
Only a Jewish state from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River will survive.
20 posted on 06/08/2003 4:44:43 AM PDT by ricpic
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To: battlegearboat
<< Methinks you cannot recognize sarcasm when you see it. >>

Or that, it being late and all -- and that you're a little weary -- that mine's a bit subtle for Y'All?
21 posted on 06/08/2003 4:46:12 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Just mythoughts
<< Matthew 6: insists what to be so? >>

It's a secret.
22 posted on 06/08/2003 4:46:45 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
horse feathers!
23 posted on 06/08/2003 4:50:04 AM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: SubMareener
I get it... we are supposed to be so God fearing that we can't spell His/Her name?
24 posted on 06/08/2003 5:00:57 AM PDT by KKing
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To: Brian Allen
Well Christ said "I have foretold you all things", so somebody is making up or twisting things if what you find in Matthew 6 a "secret".

Now it is also written that some are blinded and some are sent strong delusions so that they would believe a lie and some who actually know don't care and then some have eyes to see and ears to hear.
25 posted on 06/08/2003 5:04:50 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Brian Allen
My girl friend who is a Messianic Jew has told me that whenever the leaders of Nations have come together to divide the land...at the same time all sorts of great Natural disasters start to happen. She said the news paper would cover the talks and right next to it on the front page was a great disaster, tornado, hurricane, Earth quake etc.

I thought that was very interesting, she is in her 60's so she has seen it over the years.
We will wait and see!
26 posted on 06/08/2003 5:05:20 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: WKB
He also so says that the majority will be deceived and He also says that He knows what man thinks without speaking.

The author has left out the fact that Judah and Samaria (ten lost tribes, lost to themselves) were separate, and that our Heavenly Father divorced Israel and it will be His doing not man who makes all things right.

Israel was not even born when this promise was made to Abram, and Abram had other children besides Issac. Abram's name was changed.
27 posted on 06/08/2003 5:13:32 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts; WKB
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

It's a secret.

As is the identity of "The Greatest Nation of all Recorded History and which Nation has fed the world and which Nation that all families of the earth have been blessed by."

Not.

Or, perhaps, don't go looking for Zion -- or for God. Last time I checked neither -- except to those so blind they WILL not see -- was lost!

Get it yet?

And did you hear the one about Judgement?

28 posted on 06/08/2003 5:23:18 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Just mythoughts
Gee which Bible is being quoted here my King James does not have a Joel 4:2. Try Joel 3:2. ."...........and parted my land" :o)
29 posted on 06/08/2003 5:25:07 AM PDT by pilgrim
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To: pilgrim
Off </b></b> bold.
30 posted on 06/08/2003 5:26:47 AM PDT by pilgrim
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To: Brian Allen
I can't stand pe-ple wh- have an aversi-n t- spelling G-d -r L-rd. I'm s-rry, it must be an aversi-n t- typing the letter -.

For Christ's sake!! It's GOD and LORD. For one so worried about Bible prophecies one sure has a hard time typing HIS name....
31 posted on 06/08/2003 5:31:15 AM PDT by grumple
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To: Brian Allen
The instruction being given here is how to give and to pray, another place it is said that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear don't even know what to pray for.

So we are told not to pray so everyone sees us praying, it is supposed to be between the individual and our Heavenly Father through Christ.

There is a big "secret" and it is that very "secret" that will deceive the masses. On the other hand that "secret" is not a "secret" to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. According to what is written there are not very many who have "eyes to see" and "ears to hear". The majority has never been right nor will they be today or in the near future.

One cannot stop at Genesis 12 and make it a delaration of whom is whom and what is what and where is where, one must read the rest of the story to be able to get the pieces of the whole picture, which in this flesh body we can only see a glimpse.

Interesting that it is Written that some are willingly blind and others are blinded for their own protection.

I still can't find Joel 4:2 which removes all credibility from the author of this article. We don't get to make our own understanding and most people are toooooo good to believe what is actually written they make up their own path.

32 posted on 06/08/2003 5:37:17 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: grumple
<< For one so worried about Bible prophecies one sure has a hard time typing HIS name.... >>

Thank you, One, for sharing that one.

However, not being given [one] to personal attack nor [next one] response to it nor [last one] to malicious gossip, I shall have to ignore what I can see -- and take your word about that one, One.

Or rather about those two, One.

About your [one] being so worried AND [next-one] having a hard on etyping His Name.

As for me?

I just post 'em as they come, eh?
33 posted on 06/08/2003 5:50:22 AM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Brian Allen
The "One" I was referring to WAS the author of the article. This was not a personal gibe at you as the poster. I've seen this before as if spelling out God or Lord is some sort of abomination. It's liked calling our President "Mister Bush". Relax a bit.
34 posted on 06/08/2003 8:02:29 AM PDT by grumple
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To: chicagolady
Interesting and I will be sure to keep tabs on the weather.

PS
The road map is a joke!
35 posted on 06/08/2003 8:06:36 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: Just mythoughts
"Somebody please tell me who has been the greatest nation of all recorded history and which nation has fed the world and which nation that all families of the earth have been blessed by?"

I'm guessing you are refering to the nation that was founded by those fleeing religous persucution, they that sought to follow the dictates of the God of Israel in a new land.

36 posted on 06/08/2003 8:34:24 AM PDT by freedom9 (Man shall not live by bread alone.)
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To: Thinkin' Gal
ping
37 posted on 06/08/2003 8:41:22 AM PDT by crazykatz
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To: Brian Allen; battlegearboat; SubMareener; KKing; Tiger28; Just mythoughts; WKB; ricpic; ...
President George W. Bush's evil decision to place brutal pressure on little Israel to accept the creation of a PLO terrorist state in the Jewish Biblical lands of Judea, Samaria and the Gaza District will bring devastating Heavenly punishment on America.

The Bush "road map" in the Middle East is a plan for the destruction of Israel which includes:

Israel must retreat to the suicidal pre-1967 borders. The Bush "road map" explicitly embraces terrorist Saudi Arabia's demand that Israel withdraw to the pre-1967 boundaries which are only 6 to 10 miles wide, and which even the extreme left-wing Abba Eban referred to as "Auschwitz lines." Another leftist, Golda Meir, once said that any Jew who supports a retreat to the pre-1967 borders is guilty of "treason."

Israel must completely surrender her sovereignty as an independent nation. The Bush "road map" establishes a "Quartet" of the United States, the United Nations, the European Union and Russia, all of whom will decide when the Israel Defense Forces can act to defend the Jewish State. The Quartet will also dictate all other aspects of Israeli policy regarding immigration, security, trade, taxation and border controls. In other words, Israel will not be a free and sovereign nation, and will have to allow the Arab world to destroy the Jewish homeland, unless the Israelis can get permission from the Jew-hating Quartet to defend themselves — permission which, of course, they will never receive.

A fanatically anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Israel and anti-Jewish PLO terrorist state must be established in Judea, Samaria and the Gaza District. This PLO terrorist state will be a dagger in the heart of tiny Israel. Israel is surrounded by 22 Arab nations and Iran, which have a combined population of 270 million Muslims against only 5 million Jews. The Arabs have more than 600 times the territory that the Jews have. With a 23rd Arab terrorist state being created in Israel's very heartland, the Jewish nation will be rendered defenseless.

If the American people tolerate this anti-Israel and anti-Bible Bush Administration policy, G-d will continue to destroy America demographically and morally — a process of internal destruction that has been under way in the U.S. since the 1960s.

America will lose her white majority very quickly and will descend into the abyss of Third Worldism.

For the one thing G-d will never tolerate is an attempt to harm Israel:

And I will bless them that bless thee and him that curseth thee shall I curse. (Genesis 12)

And in thy seed shall all the nations be blessed. (Genesis 22)

But thou should not have gazed on the day of thy brother in the day of his disaster; neither should thou have rejoiced over the children of Judah in the day of their calamity.... Neither should thou have stood in the crossway to cut off those of his that escape; neither should thou have delivered up those of his that did remain in the day of distress. For the day of the L-rd is near upon all the nations; as thou hast done it shall be done unto thee, thy dealings shall return upon thine own head. (Obadiah 1)

For thus saith the L-rd of Hosts who sent me unto the nations that despoil thee: "Surely he that toucheth you, toucheth the apple of My eye." (Zechariah 2)

Behold at that time I will deal with all of them that afflict thee. (Zephaniah 3).

Naturally, the decision by the wicked Sharon Government to accept the Bush "road map" to a new Holocaust is an enormous sin and a crime against G-d and His commandments. The Likud, the National Union Party and the National Religious Party have all decided to remain part of the Sharon regime of treason, surrender and suicide. The only Israeli party that has been loyal and faithful to the Land of Israel, the State of Israel and the People of Israel is the Herut (Liberty) Party of Michael Kleiner and Baruch Marzel.

The REAL news - JTF.org

39 posted on 06/08/2003 9:21:51 AM PDT by majordivit
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Let me explain the strategery to you.
  1. Israel and the "moderates" in the Palestinian Authority accept the "road map". Check
  2. Hamas, and the rest reject the "road map". Check
  3. Israel with the help of the US and "moderates" in the Palestinian Authority destroy Hamas, et. al.
  4. A non-terrorist Palestinian state is established Judea, Samaria and the Gaza District.

40 posted on 06/08/2003 9:47:04 AM PDT by SubMareener
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4. A non-terrorist Palestinian state is established Judea, Samaria and the Gaza District.

Not possible. Where there are muslims, there are terrorists.

41 posted on 06/08/2003 10:11:18 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: Brian Allen
Ideas have consequences and none more so than scripture wrongly interpreted.
42 posted on 06/08/2003 10:19:43 AM PDT by Maigret
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To: Just mythoughts
Sorry to burst your bubble, but things are not going to happen as you seem to predict. Isreal is over and done with as far as God is concerned, and by that I mean physical Isreal. If they reject His son, they also reject the Father. The old Law was nailed to a cross. Any Jew that doesn't "pick up their cross" and follow Christ is unfortunately in the same boat as Athiests, Buddhists, and Pagans. It's all right there in the New Testament for anyone to read.
43 posted on 06/08/2003 10:31:08 AM PDT by Windsong
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To: KKing
May I ask why people do that here?

It is an easy ways for the Christian Pharasees within the to imply how righteous they are, as they cull verses out of context to condemn any and all who dare not agree 101% with their interpretations. Yes, Bush is the antichist and the rapture is tomorrow, the proof being that if you take a map of Israel and draw a line from X to Y, subtend it by Z, loop it 6 times at 66 degrees of curvature, draw 7 x 70 parallel lines at .0666 inch intervals, you get what looks like a picture of Beelzebub if you squint. Basically substitute a map of Israel for a Ouji board, but somehow the stories of Simon the Sorcerer, Jacob's wife clinging to the household idols, and warnings against false prophets are ignored by these self-annointed biblical palmreaders astrologers code translaters.

44 posted on 06/08/2003 10:33:49 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: majordivit
You think Turkey is a terrorist state?
45 posted on 06/08/2003 10:34:19 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: KKing
May I ask why people do that here?

It is an easy ways for the Christian Pharasees to imply how righteous they are, as they cull verses out of context to condemn any and all who dare not agree 101% with their interpretations. Yes, Bush is the antichist and the rapture is tomorrow, the proof being that if you take a map of Israel and draw a line from X to Y, subtend it by Z, loop it 6 times at 66 degrees of curvature, draw 7 x 70 parallel lines at .0666 inch intervals, you get what looks like a picture of Beelzebub if you squint. Basically substitute a map of Israel for a Ouji board, but somehow the stories of Simon the Sorcerer, Jacob's wife clinging to the household idols, and warnings against false prophets are ignored by these self-annointed biblical palmreaders astrologers code translaters.

46 posted on 06/08/2003 10:34:20 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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You think Turkey is a terrorist state?

All true muslims are instructed in their book the Koran to 'kill them (non believers) whereever you find them'. There are no moderate muslims. How many Turks supported Bush eradicating Hussien from Iraq? I'm sure you noticed those lovable Turks stoning the Americans when they came by to invesitigate an errant missile. The only 'moderate' muslims are ones who do not follow the teachings of the Koran. Therefore their are no moderate muslims.

Over the years muslim Turkey has made war on the much smaller country of Greece. The Greeks are very good fighters and have turned back Turkey's constant attempts to conquer Greece and to wipe them out.

47 posted on 06/08/2003 10:44:23 AM PDT by majordivit
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To: majordivit
Well! Now we know where you are coming from!
48 posted on 06/08/2003 10:56:14 AM PDT by SubMareener
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To: Windsong; dighton; Brian Allen; Just mythoughts; majordivit; Alouette; dennisw; yonif; ...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but things are not going to happen as you seem to predict. Isreal is over and done with as far as God is concerned, and by that I mean physical Isreal. If they reject His son, they also reject the Father. The old Law was nailed to a cross. Any Jew that doesn't "pick up their cross" and follow Christ is unfortunately in the same boat as Athiests, Buddhists, and Pagans. It's all right there in the New Testament for anyone to read.

That must be why the Apocalypse was written to the Church, and the 144,000 marked with the seal of God are from the tribes of Israel.

Isaiah was right about you people when he said:

By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

Ecclesiastes 3:1-2 To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted;

I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow, saith the church of Jezebel. That reminds me of a screen name I've seen around here, "Release the hounds".

49 posted on 06/08/2003 11:31:19 AM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (Guten Tag!)
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To: Just mythoughts
Now it is also written that some are blinded and some are sent strong delusions so that they would believe a lie and some who actually know don't care and then some have eyes to see and ears to hear.

. . . that would be Hillary?

50 posted on 06/08/2003 11:32:31 AM PDT by Phil V. (back to DOS 3.2)
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