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| 5 Jun 2003
Posted on 06/08/2003 7:14:39 PM PDT by steplock
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To: Cathryn Crawford
Wow. Posts just don't get any better than that.
There's an outline for a very informative column in there. ;-)
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posted on
06/09/2003 7:56:51 AM PDT
by
Scenic Sounds
( "Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.")
To: Spiff
>>Socialism by any other name is socialism.
You're not homeschooling your charter schooling at home. There's a difference.
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If my child is going to school at home (understand that only 20% of the education is online with K12) you can call it what you like. Home-school, school at home or homeschool, my child is not in a classroom in another building with terror kids and care less teachers.
You want to call it socialism. I call it a decent education for my daughter. You don't want government regulation on your homeschooling, I want you to stay out of my business if I choose to do a virtual-charter.
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posted on
06/09/2003 8:19:44 AM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
To: PMCarey; codder too
I'm fine with that warning for the very reasons that you stated. Unfortunately I have seen homeschooling organizations go the route of lobbying the government, opposing these types of programs. That's where I have problems because in that case it a homeschooling organization seeking to limit the educational choices of other families. Codder too: I did not mean to imply that HSLDA endorsed this particular proposal, although a review of my post certainly could have led you to believe that.
I meant to use the HSLDA example to point out how sometimes perfectly reputable homeschool organizations take positions that, if carried out, limit the educational choices for parents.
PMCarey said this better in his post, an excerpt of which I've posted above.
For the record: I like HSLDA and support them, but I don't personally endorse every single position they take. Sort of like my relationship with the National Republican Party.
To: steplock; netmilsmom; Cathryn Crawford; Lady Eileen; GOPrincess
I read your conversation on this topic with interest. My son became a one-year-old this weekend and my wife and I discuss homeschool vs the local Catholic gradeschool often. There is obviously a diverse body of thought on the topic--as there should be.
The article itself states that there is no single voice for homeschoolers--I don't think the author is attempting to create a "homeschool my way or you're not homeschooling" document. I see this as an important clarion call against government intrusion. It's about the language. What's so important about the language? Language becomes law.
E.g.: The word "regulate" in the Second Amendment has given rise to heated debate over its meaning. In the time of the founders it meant the local militia (us) should be well-apportioned and armed for defense against tyranny. In the modern parlance it means to control and limit. Now, in fighting over the meaning of the word, we are fighting for our Constitutional rights.
If the government co-opts the language of homeschooling in their own curriculum, then you will find the language of homeschooling in legislation and regulation. In short order, the limits imposed on government "homeschools" will apply to your homeschools. How will you fight? It is the law.
This issue is important and the time to take action is before we find ourselves fighting the written word of law against a team of bureaucratic lawyers.
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posted on
06/09/2003 8:54:24 AM PDT
by
pgyanke
(God Bless America!)
To: pgyanke
>>If the government co-opts the language of homeschooling in their own curriculum, then you will find the language of homeschooling in legislation and regulation. In short order, the limits imposed on government "homeschools" will apply to your homeschools. How will you fight? It is the law. <<<
Okay, I get it. It's all a matter of the words.
My great-nephew goes to a virtual elementary school and is not homeschooled. I can live with that.
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posted on
06/09/2003 9:10:42 AM PDT
by
netmilsmom
(God Bless our President, those with him & our troops)
To: pgyanke
Well said.
To: Lady Eileen
To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves is sinful and tyrannical. -- Thomas Jefferson
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posted on
06/09/2003 11:33:26 AM PDT
by
ppaul
To: ppaul
ppaul...Thanks for the reminder...May God have mercy on us.
To: Polybius
If you can trust parents to decide how to educate their children themselves, you can trust them to decide how much Government assistance and how many Government strings they are willing to accept. Well said and this, I believe, is the crux of homeschooling. We, as parents, are the ones to rightfully decide how, where and when our children are schooled.
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posted on
06/09/2003 12:33:30 PM PDT
by
FourPeas
To: steplock
I can't seem to find the explanation of how our freedoms as homeschoolers are threatened. Could you please explain?
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posted on
06/09/2003 12:36:13 PM PDT
by
FourPeas
To: FourPeas
I can't seem to find the explanation of how our freedoms as homeschoolers are threatened. Could you please explain? I'll take a crack at this.
Homeschooling has become the catch word for educating your child yourself. Most states at least "allow" for this type of education. Some states (like CA) have shown some hostility but been forced (or chose) to back down from more aggressive actions. Part of the reluctance by legislatures and regulators to directly engage has been the lack of regulation of homeschoolers and a lack of desire to join a public debate on their regulation.
If the government successfully adopts the language of homeschooling and refers to some of their own programs as "homeschooling", then you will begin to find government regulation of "homeschooling". The regulation will be written to cover government action and programs but homeschool opponents will use the language as a club on those who, up until now, they have been unable to affect directly.
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posted on
06/09/2003 12:50:27 PM PDT
by
pgyanke
(God Bless America!)
To: netmilsmom; Cathryn Crawford; Lady Eileen; GOPrincess; pgyanke; ppaul; FourPeas; PMCarey; ...
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posted on
06/09/2003 12:56:03 PM PDT
by
steplock
( http://www.spadata.com)
To: Lady Eileen
"2. Vouchers obscure the difference between parents who are willing to sacrifice to send their children to a private school from those who are unwilling to sacrifice. This means private schools will lower their standards of who gets in."
There is so much troubling about this statement I don't even know where to begin.
We are currently sacrificing to send one of our children to private school. (My husband drives an early *'70s* car, for goodness' sake!) Simultaneous tuition for more is not a possibility, especially with college looming soon for our eldest. The idea that everyone can afford to "sacrifice" enough to privately school their children (or pay for a homeschool curriculum) -- if only they try hard enough -- is absurd, as is the corollary, that children whose parents cannot afford private schools are unworthy of a quality education and, indeed, will somehow taint the educational experiences of others.
I would like to add that I would far prefer to keep our tax dollars in the first place and use those dollars directly in the marketplace. That not being likely as a possibility while my children are young (!), I feel no compunctions about settling for the second-best option, receiving my money back in the form of either vouchers or being able to select a homeschool curriculum. My children will be out of the public school classroom, receiving a quality education and personal attention, while avoiding many of the educational/social problems that led us to make this choice in the first place. It is ironic that those who would call a homeschool charter "socialist" do not recognize that in using the homeschool charter we are avoiding the very socialist indoctrination they fear.
My belief is that the more educational choices there are, ranging from completely private, unregulated homeschooling to programs which compete for tax dollars, the more control parents will have over their children's education, and the more it will force traditional public schools to be responsive to the marketplace.
To: TruthConquers
Keeping Homeschooling free from government interference--Everyone who homeschools needs Mike Smith at HSLDA, he protects your rights in Washington and protects you from all government interference.
To: pgyanke
I'm not sure I buy the theory that by co-opting the homeschool "language" this will in turn lead to government regulation, but let's say this is a real possibility: Would it not then behoove private homeschoolers to build support among all homeschoolers -- on the theory that we *all* should have free choice, whether it be private or charter -- rather than using excluding, inflammatory language in pushing their cause?
Although I have chosen to begin homeschooling through a charter, I absolutely believe in the right of others to homeschool without any government participation/regulation and would happily work alongside private homeschoolers to prevent that kind of regulation. Yet I find that some of those I would support attack my choice with derogatory language. (And Heaven forbid a *computer* is involved, let alone a *corporation*! LOL.) As another poster said, this kind of divisiveness may come back to bite private homeschoolers, who could find broad support across the homeschooling community lacking when they need it most.
To: steplock
Thanks steplock.
To: No More Gore Anymore
If homeschoolers choose a cyber school or anything affiliated with a govt. school, will that homeschooler be counted as a public school student, and will that district receive fed. money as a result?
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posted on
06/09/2003 1:24:59 PM PDT
by
hsmomx3
(Let's show Janet the door in 2006!!)
To: GOPrincess
Maybe I'm missing something... I don't see where the original document to this thread used divise or inflammatory language toward other homeschoolers. They specifically said there is no one voice for homeschoolers because every family is different.
Their venom was directed against those who accept government dollars to "homeschool." Accepting government dollars opens you up to government regulation (after all, they can't support religion, discrimination, et al).
Their premise is that if the government is involved it isn't a home school.
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posted on
06/09/2003 1:27:02 PM PDT
by
pgyanke
(God Bless America!)
To: Clint N. Suhks
Thanks...for the reference.
To: pgyanke
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