Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Guard, Reserve Short On Recruits
USA Today ^ | 06-09-03

Posted on 06/09/2003 5:14:49 PM PDT by Brian S

The Pentagon's heavy use of part-time military units in the war on terrorism and the invasion of Iraq may be starting to exact a price: The nation's largest auxiliary forces — the Army National Guard and the Army Reserve — are beginning to have trouble meeting their recruiting targets.

As of April 30, the Guard was nearly 6,000 recruits short of where it needed to be on that date to meet its Sept. 30 target of enlisting 62,000 new soldiers, Pentagon statistics show. If the Guard can't reverse the shortfall, it would mark the first time since 1996 that it has failed to fill its ranks.

The Army Reserve is also lagging behind its recruiting target and was about 800 soldiers short of where it needed to be in early April to meet its Sept. 30 goal of 42,000.

Defense officials and civilian analysts say the numbers demonstrate that the unusually intense use of part-time soldiers over the past year and a half is beginning to seriously affect the Guard and Reserve. Units have been called up for numerous missions that include guarding bases around the world, fixing war-torn towns in Afghanistan and flying refueling jets over Iraq. Nearly two months after the fall of Baghdad, there are still 215,000 Guard and Reserve troops on active duty around the world, many in Iraq.

"I think it is reasonable to conclude that people are looking at the last 19 to 20 months of mobilization ... and they are voting with their feet," says Tom White, a former secretary of the Army. "I think we're seeing the leading edge of a problem."

Recruiters aren't helped by the apparent transformation of part-time soldiering into full-time jobs. A decade ago, men and women who joined the Guard and Reserve knew in most cases they would train one weekend a month and perform two weeks of summer drills. The vast majority were unlikely to be called for extended active duty.

The Guard and Reserve "have been the equivalent of the volunteer fire department in local communities," says Jim Martin, a retired Army colonel who teaches courses in military culture at Bryn Mawr College in Pennsylvania. "That may have to change if ... they are constantly called up."

A recruiting drought could have serious implications for homeland security and the war on terrorism, since Guard and Reserve troops are shouldering much of the burden of guarding U.S. airports and performing other domestic security missions.

The demands on National Guard and Reserve troops, most of whom have full-time civilian jobs, have been unrelenting. Some units, including military police and nation-building soldiers known as civil affairs specialists, have been called up almost constantly since the Sept. 11 attacks. Last year, the Pentagon extended about 15,000 Reservists for a second consecutive year of active duty, the first time that had happened since the Vietnam War.

For now, the recruiting trouble seems to be confined to the Army's part-time units. The active-duty forces are on target to meet recruiting goals, as are the Air Force Reserve, the Air National Guard, the Naval Reserve and the Marine Corps Reserve — though those part-time units are smaller than the Army's and usually have an easier time meeting their goals.

by USA TODAY


TOPICS: Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nationalguard; recruits; reservists; usmilitary

1 posted on 06/09/2003 5:14:50 PM PDT by Brian S
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Brian S
Defense officials and civilian analysts say the numbers demonstrate that the unusually intense use of part-time soldiers over the past year and a half is beginning to seriously affect the Guard and Reserve

It goes back alot farther than that. Clinton sent Guard and Reserve forces to the former Yugoslavia and other such garden spots to deliever the Pizza and/or keep the locals from slaughtering each other. Guard and reserve forces were orignally concieved as to be used in those sitations where the regular forces was inadequat to the job AND to protect the homeland if the regulars were off bashing the "wogs". Such is degraded state of our military, in numerical terms if nothing else, that we can't take on a 3rd rate country like Iraq, or Bosnia, without committing our citizen soldiers to the fray. Some of that is deliberate in fact. Some capabilites were taken out of the active forces and put into the guard and reserve, mainly combat service and support missions, so that the active forces can not deploy for any signifigent length of time, or on missions requiring a large logistics tail, without calling up guard and reserve forces.

2 posted on 06/09/2003 5:41:48 PM PDT by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Brian S
If any young men and women who are interested, the Army Guard is crying for WO's...lots of good incentives to go along with it.....
3 posted on 06/09/2003 5:46:05 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Brian S
Well, lets see, what did we do in the past that insured the full strength of the Reserves and National Guard? Hmmmm?
4 posted on 06/09/2003 5:52:30 PM PDT by Bringbackthedraft
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Brian S
"I think it is reasonable to conclude that people are looking at the last 19 to 20 months of mobilization ... and they are voting with their feet," says Tom White, a former secretary of the Army. "I think we're seeing the leading edge of a problem."

It's about time the military services had to answer for the lies they've told those in the Guard over the years.

When they recruit, they emphasize that a person, probably just out of high school, can complete his military obligation in the Guard and go on to college at the same time. And, as long as we are not at war, why not?

So the person joins, having been assured that he belongs to the state and his mission is the defense of his state while the Army may be occupied overseas. Then comes most any action at all and his unit is mobilized. "Aha, sucker! We gotcha!"

You see, this way, the federal government can keep a pool of military-trained personnel on line for whenever and wherever they need them for less than one-fouth the cost of personnel in the regular Army.

Now that we don't have a draft, I see no reason for anyone to want to join the National guard at all.

5 posted on 06/09/2003 6:00:20 PM PDT by nightdriver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HatSteel
Were'nt we just just discussing this ping!

6 posted on 06/09/2003 6:01:01 PM PDT by judicial meanz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
It may be time to increase the active duty forces again to meet on going commitments.
7 posted on 06/09/2003 6:01:35 PM PDT by demlosers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: demlosers
It may be time to increase the active duty forces again to meet on going commitments.

How are the regulars doing with recruitment? Any shortages?

8 posted on 06/09/2003 6:26:19 PM PDT by templar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: templar
I don't know about this year, although last year, the services met their recruitment goals.
9 posted on 06/09/2003 6:34:30 PM PDT by demlosers
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: nightdriver
...When they recruit, they emphasize that a person, probably just out of high school, can complete his military obligation in the Guard and go on to college at the same time. And, as long as we are not at war, why not?

So the person joins, having been assured that he belongs to the state and his mission is the defense of his state while the Army may be occupied overseas. Then comes most any action at all and his unit is mobilized. "Aha, sucker! We gotcha!"

What you say is partially true (the "one Army" concept has been hard on the Guard and Reserve), on the other hand, national emergencies like September 11 and the War on Terrorism are exactly what the Guard and Reserve were created for (as opposed to Vietnam, where few AGR units were deployed). We're at a crossroads where we either need to expand AGR while offering better benefits and a reasonable rotation policy, or the expansion will have to come in the form a AGR draft (not politically acceptable). In either case, the days of "one weekend a month, and two weeks in summer" are over for now. Get used to it, like us active duty guys did.

10 posted on 06/09/2003 8:53:21 PM PDT by pawdoggie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: nightdriver
Your not correct. Its mainly the fault of the recruit. What are they thinking when they put on the uniform, that they've just hired on part time at Walmart?

Yes the recruiters emphasize benefits, but every single recruit has been briefed on possible sacrifices. Unit Commanders & supervisors should be in the process from the start & let the individual know what his deployment potential is based on his career field & the unit's mission. Before I even consider anyone, I make sure they're prepared to go to training, overseas contingencies, or a flat out one year rotation in support of a war.

If their is any doubt, they don't get in.

11 posted on 06/09/2003 9:08:19 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Brian S
they wont let old timers re-enlist!@!
12 posted on 06/09/2003 9:14:23 PM PDT by RaceBannon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Archie Bunker on steroids
"Your not correct. Its mainly the fault of the recruit. What are they thinking when they put on the uniform, that they've just hired on part time at Walmart?"

Things have obviously changed since I was in the Guard, then. Before I joined, I was told repeatedly that the Army had to essentially be on the ropes before the Guard would be mobilized and shipped out. Now, I see that they are among the first to be called.

In that case, joining the Guard is a huge ripoff, because it would better to join the regular service than join the Guard where you're never a civilian and never a soldier for six to eight years and there is NO GI bill or veteran's benefits.

13 posted on 06/09/2003 9:19:49 PM PDT by nightdriver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: nightdriver
I'm Air Guard & at a training base. Many individuals grew comfortable thinking they'd be the last ones touched. Yes, that has definately changed. People have taken huge cuts in pay upon activation....but everyone should be aware of the risk upon entry.
14 posted on 06/09/2003 9:24:35 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Archie Bunker on steroids
If I were still in the Reserves I wouldn't mind being called-up so often if it meant I got to collect a check/retire after 20 instead of waiting until I was 60 to collect a check.

Heck, I'd go back now!
15 posted on 06/09/2003 9:33:00 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: VeniVidiVici
Way more traditional guardsmen benefitted from the call up than suffered. People had fulltime positions, with pay increases for one/two years post 9-11.
16 posted on 06/09/2003 9:36:19 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Archie Bunker on steroids; All
Well, those of us who lived under the false assumption that Reservists would provide *backup* (as opposed to the "pointy edge of the spear") for active duty personnel, surely know otherwise since this latest overseas buildup.

As a "dependent" of someone who "signed up" to serve & defend the United States from her enemies (not for the "free" whatever), no amount of water cooler griping would change our decision to remain in the Reserves. However comma, judging from the amount of gov't legislation pertaining to the military over the past year or so, as well as, the enormous activation and deployment of the Guard and Reserves, it's my feeling that the Pentagon and Capitol Hill cannot *not* address force size anymore.

For the past decade, Clinton & cartel have decimated our military from inadequate funding, reduction of force size, and increased "boy scout" missions. "Readiness" measures the ability of military units to accomplish their assigned missions. Logistics, training, manpower, adequate equipment & supplies, and (often forgotten) *morale*, all contribute to our defense readiness.

At the end of the Clintonista regime, stories circulated about the Army "running out" of ammo, relaxation of the minimum requirements for military entrance & retention, aging equipment without definitive plans for modernization or replacement, aircraft being grounded from lack of (mostly recycled) spare parts, recruitment quotas falling short, the mass exodus of experienced military pilots, just to name a few, were all downplayed as false rumors.

It is said, that one must admit there is a problem before one can begin to fix it.
17 posted on 06/10/2003 8:03:43 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Thousands have died for my freedom; only One has died for my soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: RaceBannon
they won't let old timers re-enlist!

Well, in a sense you are right. But many states have their own, purely state-run defense forces, and the age limits are far higher.

I've been in the Indiana state defense force (the Indiana Guard Reserve, or IGR) for about 9 years. A number of us have been putting in weeks (or even months) of active duty helping to mobilize Guard and Reserve troops at Camp Atterbury for Operation Enduring Freedom. You might see if your state has such a force.

The Coast Guard Auxiliary can also offer some real-world opportunities to help out, and to "backfill" someone else on active duty who can then be deployed.

Typically this work is non-glamorous, but it can be a way to serve in uniform and help out.

18 posted on 06/10/2003 8:08:55 AM PDT by 68skylark
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: VeniVidiVici; nightdriver; Brian S; pawdoggie; demlosers; templar; El Gato; Bringbackthedraft; ...
**pinging you back to further the discussion of U.S. military culling by the Clinton cartel.
19 posted on 06/10/2003 8:19:09 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Thousands have died for my freedom; only One has died for my soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: pawdoggie
In either case, the days of "one weekend a month, and two weeks in summer" are over for now. Get used to it, like us active duty guys did.

Unfortunately, my unit doesn't deploy for continuous duty. It is rather a 2 days here 3 days there type thing. My employer (a defense contractor) gives me 10 days off for NG duty. After that, it comes out of my pocket.

I cannot afford to lose the civilian pay, and I have no 'personal days' left 'cuz of a medical problem.

My unit called me yesterday and said 'we need you for a couple days this week'. I said "You've already spent the 10 days my employer is legally forced to give me. I have no vacation and cannot miss the pay."

They tried to give me a hard time and I said "Write me up or whatever...." I am between a rock and a hard place and may end up being forced to quit the Guard myself.

20 posted on 06/10/2003 8:20:26 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
You summed it up perfectly.
21 posted on 06/10/2003 8:21:35 AM PDT by nravoter (I've given a name to my pain, and it's "Hillary".)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Bringbackthedraft
Well, lets see, what did we do in the past that insured the full strength of the Reserves and National Guard? Hmmmm?

If we did bring back the draft, I would submit that it should be in the form of universal service in the Guard or Reserve forces. Let the active duty establishment recruit from those who go through basic or ROTC/OCS. We would of course need lots of officers, and ROTC is a good source of those. It works well for Switzerland, and IIRC Sweden, not to mention Israel. It's also more or less what our own founders intended.

22 posted on 06/10/2003 9:30:11 AM PDT by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: pawdoggie
In either case, the days of "one weekend a month, and two weeks in summer" are over for now. Get used to it, like us active duty guys did.

The difference being that you active duty guys (many Guardsmen and Reservists are former AD too you know, I"ve been all three, active duty, reserve, guard and then reserve again) don't have other jobs/careers. Weekends and two or three weeks a year about all a civilian career can stand. If nothing else look at it from the employers perspective. They can't hire someone else to do the work, other than a temp which in many jobs just isn't practical, and they are required by law to keep the job of the reservist/guardsman and provide her/him with the same promotions he/she would have gotten if they had not gone off for a year or two. Easier not to hire them, or make them the first casualties of the next layoff. That would of course be illegal, but it's also virtually impossible to prove. It might not even be all that deliberate or blatent, just a "What have you done for me lately" attitude by lower level managers will get you lower "marks" and those in turn will tend to put you at the top of the layoff list.

23 posted on 06/10/2003 9:42:16 AM PDT by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: nightdriver
I always encourage young people just out of HS or college to consider the Guard or Reserves or the Active military.....but

there is a lot of downside to the Guard and Reserves...

it isn't just " a weekend" and just "two weeks" in the summer....

a weekend when you work full time means 12 days in a row on.....not good for family raising...

the "two weeks" in the summer is actually 3 weekends with the two weeks in between....take that amount of time away from the children in the middle of July or August, and it is significant for being a "part time job"..

most of all....you are never considered to be as "good" as the regular military...in every way...

most glaringly.....you can't get an ounce of retirement pay....which is proportional of course...but you can't even get that til your 60.....

that is no incentive to give up all the quality family time thru out the year, to be expected to be as qualified in every way as the full time military, and on top of that...to be pulled in every direction when ever the govt. want to....

at least in the active, you can ask for certain assignments, get BAQ, extensive and unlimited base priviledges, and health care as well....and the guarentee that after 20, you get a nice pension....

24 posted on 06/10/2003 9:47:00 AM PDT by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: chookter
I've been in the Guard since fall of '91, and my unit has never been called up, heck we feel left out. We all want to get deployed and have written letters to the Sec-Def asking to deploy us. Our numbers are high, we have passed our TAMs, and we are one of the most prestigious and high speed Airborne units (paratroopers) in the country, yet we sit on the sidelines. It sickens me to hear about all this complaining about deployment, when on the other hand we are begging to go.
25 posted on 06/10/2003 10:00:32 AM PDT by Paratroop
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: cherry
"I always encourage young people just out of HS or college to consider the Guard or Reserves or the Active military.....but there is a lot of downside to the Guard and Reserves..."

You bet there is. My experience in the Guard was that we got, at best, at least one generation obsolete equipment, most of our officer leaders were complete losers and we got absolutely no relevant training.

That, combined with the inability to have a summer job between school years due to summer camp, makes it so that I could not recommend the Guard to anyone.

Where's the advantage when you have no certain mission, only to be constantly on call for anything worldwide for very little pay?

The gubmint has completely obliterated the mission of the National Guard, and now they are whimpering that nobody's joining up? Small wonder.

26 posted on 06/10/2003 10:05:35 AM PDT by nightdriver
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Brian S
They should open up the recruitment to veterans. I'm a Vietnam vet, and am in my early 50s. I am a white-collar professional who would gladly serve my country again in the Reserves. Unfortunately, when I checked into this possibility s few years ago I was told I was "too old," even though I have prior military experience. It seems I should have gone into the reserves when I completed my tour of duty way back when, but at the time I wanted to return to school, get my degree, find a wife, start a life, etc., which I placed a greater importance on than putting the uniform back on. I did the right thing, too. However, now that I have accomplished my goals, and have the wherewithall to again serve my country, they don't want me. Go figure.
27 posted on 06/10/2003 10:29:27 AM PDT by ought-six
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
Oh, Lord, could you imagine? If everyone had to "walk the walk"...Oh boy!!! The defense budget would swell faster than my ring finger on another hot, humid, oppressive June day in Florida.
28 posted on 06/10/2003 11:17:23 AM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Thousands have died for my freedom; only One has died for my soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL
Oh, Lord, could you imagine? If everyone had to "walk the walk"...Oh boy!!! The defense budget would swell faster than my ring finger on another hot, humid, oppressive June day in Florida.

Not necessarily. Active duty would consist of basic training plus advanced training or tech school as required. Pay would be E-1/E-2 level (or O-1 as the case might be). Unit training, and maybe in some cases advanced training too, would take place at the home station in the individual's area of residence. Conducted by other reservists/guardmen.

It would probably mean even more unit training would be required before any deployement following a call up, than is now the case. Somehow Switzerland and the others manage it, on even smaller fractions of their total economies. Besides the defense budget is still at post WW-II low levels, and only up slightly from the Clinton drought. The biggest expense would be all the M-16s and M-2 sidearms required to arm all those soldiers.

29 posted on 06/10/2003 1:06:48 PM PDT by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
The biggest expense would be all the M-16s and M-2 sidearms required to arm all those soldiers.

I meant the biggest capital expense. Those guns, and the ammunition necessary to qualify with them are cheap in comparison to salaries and such.

30 posted on 06/10/2003 1:58:30 PM PDT by El Gato
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: El Gato
"Not necessarily."

You don't think that once our Congressmen and women had *their* children and grandchildren drafted, that the defense budget would grow significantly? Suddenly, it would be everyone's children serving -- the rich ones, the poor ones, the educated and those looking to receive an education. Priorities would change on the Hill. Huge corporate & private donors with 18 year olds would rethink a lot of things, I'd bet. Many of our nation's boarding schooled children would see their priviledged, Vietnam draft dodging & war protesting parents unsuccessfully attempt to buy off drill instructors. Pride in this country would come from the heart and from the gut. I guess that's how I imagine it would be.
31 posted on 06/10/2003 6:34:57 PM PDT by getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL (Thousands have died for my freedom; only One has died for my soul.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: Paratroop
My wife is an inservice recruiter for the Reserves. I'm sure she could find you a unit in the southeast that is deployed that you could join ;-)
32 posted on 06/11/2003 3:01:40 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: judicial meanz
Yep. We were. I saw this in the paper while up visiting Lake Erie and thought of our discussion.

Then I said to myself, "Self. You and Meanz should be gettin' the big bucks from USA Today instead of these yayhooz. We scooped 'em by at least a few days."

Think we should send in our resumes?

33 posted on 06/12/2003 6:35:46 PM PDT by HatSteel
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Brian S
Guard members who lose their jobs should be given an option to serve full time with pay in the Guard in renewable six month deployments patrolling our borders.
34 posted on 06/12/2003 6:53:47 PM PDT by Consort
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: HatSteel
Been there, done that. I prefer this to any media outlet..LOL
35 posted on 06/12/2003 8:25:58 PM PDT by judicial meanz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson