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Male Rape in US Prisons
Counter-punch | 6/9/03 | Alex Coolman

Posted on 06/10/2003 8:39:44 AM PDT by philosofy123

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To: 1stFreedom
open fist

What's an 'open fist'? Do you mean a palm strike?

61 posted on 06/10/2003 10:54:37 AM PDT by asformeandformyhouse
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To: lilylangtree
That movie is the only movie I've seen that depicted the reality of being behind the wall other than actually living it . Damn good movie .
62 posted on 06/10/2003 10:55:18 AM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: asformeandformyhouse
Yes.
63 posted on 06/10/2003 10:56:46 AM PDT by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
Thanks for posting your experiences.
64 posted on 06/10/2003 11:02:50 AM PDT by jjm2111
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To: circles
It is pretty much the same mindset throught the country circles . At least at the state level . You can " Be your own man " but be willing to develope a keen eye and get sharp real quick . It can be done but not often .
65 posted on 06/10/2003 11:03:57 AM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: dorben
Obviously the prison hell is in part responsible for the violent crime in the country. Reading 1stFreedoms responses (thanks for posting those) you can see he thinks about things very differently. Had to learn to to survive. And he's got his head screwed on right no doubt, but lots of people won't.

The fellow who dragged the Black man behind his truck to death (remember the shameless racist NACCP ad on this) in Texas was a recent releasee who had been 'punked' repeatedly by Black gangs in prison. Now you can understand the rage that led to the killing. We are creating a whole series of these ticking time bombs with our current prison system.

66 posted on 06/10/2003 12:10:04 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: B-Chan
I say run the prisons the way the Navy runs its brigs: solitary confinement for all prisoners. I bet there's no rape problem at GitMo.

And get rid of the TVs and rec rooms and the weight rooms.

67 posted on 06/10/2003 12:14:03 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Jack Black; 1stFreedom
Prisons are not in the business of making kindler gentler civil law biding people of us who went afoul of the law . Speaking for myself I did mine 25 years ago and moved on . With respect to 1st Freedoms replies I was actually agreeing with him .

What I failed to say is the trick is to not allow people in the system to not turn you into an animal or do life on the 401k plan .

Yes I remember that Texas case & frankly I dont care what happened to this person on the inside . What he did is no excuse . The proper thing to have done was to deal with it then . Lets remember the fact that the mans behaviour put him in prison as did mine .

I've done no harm to anyone because the AB , Red & White SF chapter , and the Norte's along with the Crips and I had a few meetings . On a side note I want you to know that I do not celebrate victimhood .

68 posted on 06/10/2003 12:42:31 PM PDT by Ben Bolt
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To: DManA
I don't consider the Attorney General of California, Bill Lockyer, to be a "professional" by any means. And he has his sights set on being the next Governor.
69 posted on 06/10/2003 12:49:23 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: capitan_refugio
Do you think the rape "joke" would help him or hurt him in that quest?

Bill Lockyer, to be a "professional" by any means. And he has his sights set on being the next Governor.

70 posted on 06/10/2003 12:59:32 PM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA
Lockyer was just trying to play the role of "tough guy." Personally, I think he is in the closet.

He is term-limited, thank God, for Atty. Gen. I think a good campaign consultant can make an effective anti-Lockyer commercial with the video clip. "As Attorney General, Bill Lockyer supported rape in prison. (insert audio/video clip) As Governor, will he be inclined to fight other violent crimes?" You get the picture.

71 posted on 06/10/2003 1:23:08 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: 1stFreedom
If you don't mind answering, what were you in for, and for how long?
72 posted on 06/10/2003 1:31:12 PM PDT by jmc813 (After two years of FReeping, I've finally created a profile page. Check it out!)
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To: Roughneck
doesn't necessarily work that way. It's strictly law of the jungle. Conventional Wisdom says child molesters are on the bottom of the totem pole in prison, and that's probably true. But if the dude's 6-4, 250, and can fight, he's not gonna have any trouble no matter what he's done.
73 posted on 06/10/2003 1:38:31 PM PDT by kms61
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To: kms61
There can be a wolf pack mentality in prison that can make it difficult for anyone of any size...however, someone of the size you described is indeed a less likely target for rape...just too much effort.

He can be killed though...lots of big badasses get killed in the joint...often by a smaller guy who bugs out with fear and has the sense to get a weapon or simply wishes to make a name for himself in a thunderdome joint.

It mimics the street in that sense...a big guy fighting a little rooster is lose/lose. Whip the little guy and "big deal" you were bigger. The little guy sticks you and "no big deal".."did you see the guy he booked"....I know, I'm a big guy....I steer clear of little guys with a complex especially if they have been drinking.

I have seen some rangey medium size fellows that could fight like all hell....probably the toughest pound for pound guys I've seen were maybe 5'10 and say 175 or so.

The feds have a famous AB killer who's been doing "no human contact" since 1983 or so when he clipped a CO in the hole at Marion. Tommy Silverstein....and he's not big. Just mean as hell, lots of will and no conscience.
74 posted on 06/10/2003 2:06:58 PM PDT by wardaddy (I was born my Papa's son....when I hit the ground I was on the run.....)
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To: Psalm 73
Thank you for your service to our LORD.

One of the big problems with our prison system is that no one knows what it's really there for.

Is it meant to punish someone for their crime...they do their time and then are restored to society (this to me would be the ideal, along with restitution to the victim(s))?

Is it meant to reform and change and train the convict?

Is it meant to simply remove the convict from society forever?

It seems that what makes it even harder for those who have done their time (i.e., payed their debt to society) to become useful citizens when so many people will not let them forget. When they can't get a decent job because they're branded as a con.

We live in a time where anyone of us could end up in jail or prison. Are you driving without a seatbelt on? You've broken the law. Are you going 5 miles over the speed limit? You've broken the law. Did you 'not look right' to a passing cop? You can be stopped, harrassed, and even arrested if you protest the treatment.

In the past 10 months, I've seen a good man falsely accused of molesting a woman in his medical care (he has been in this medical field for over 20 years without one complaint against him, and has NEVER been in trouble with the law, that includes no driving infractions). He has lost his job (and career), lost the house he and his wife were in the process of purchasing, been on the verge of filing bankruptcy and as of yesterday, facing a jail term of up to 11 months because of a 'plea bargain deal' that was offered to him and that his lawyer pushed him to accept because in all honesty, his lawyer has already been paid and has better things to do than to go through a trial that he might lose ( and tarnish his lawyerly reputation). The court wins because it saves money, the prosecutor wins because he gets a conviction, the lawyer wins because on paper it looks like he got his client a good deal,and the accuser wins because the door is now open for her to sue the hospital (which many of us believe has been her sole purpose...she's on welfare and has been a gov't medical parasite all her adult life). The only one who loses is the innocent one. But who cares, as long as those in power are happy.

I've also seen my supervisor (a retired Marine Corp Sgt), pulled over by, no kidding, 5 police cruisers in one of our suburbs because he and his 17 year old son were helping his former mother-in-law move her furniture from her condo, and he 'looked suspicious' to one of her elderly neighbors (who had seen him and his van at this condo before, but 'forgot' who he was). He and his son were ordered out of the van AT GUN POINT and he was slammed up against it and searched and then cuffed and thrown in the back of a cruiser as the cops refused to answer any of his questions and just kept telling him to shut up. When they finally realized that they he was telling them the truth, they uncuffed him, handed back his ID and sent him on his way. He has contacted the PD to complain and they refuse to even acknowledge what happened to him.

I am not a soft on crime person. My oldest cousin was murdered at 19 and his convicted murderer walked after only 5 months of jail time. The system just seems to be so broken and so devoid of real justice, that it appears to be hopeless.

Unless we return to a biblically based right and wrong, we are doomed as a society.

75 posted on 06/10/2003 2:28:57 PM PDT by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: B-Chan
I say run the prisons the way the Navy runs its brigs: solitary confinement for all prisoners. I bet there's no rape problem at GitMo.

That would be near impossible, and not cost effective. The inmates do all the work, such as food preparation, trash disposal, industries, like lens lab, book bindery, metal fab, pre cast concrete. It is expensive now, but that might bankrupt the states.

77 posted on 06/10/2003 3:26:13 PM PDT by Mark17
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To: Mark17
The states should spend as much as it takes, then. Rape is not a constitutional form of punishment. Austere forms of prison housing, such as the wire-fence cage/tin roof/concrete pad type at Gitmo, are perfectly acceptable in my opinion.
78 posted on 06/10/2003 3:43:11 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: sirshackleton
Pretty good reason to stay out of jail (by not doing the things that puts you there) in the first place.

Well that depends on whether you are pervert who would like to be rewarded with this kind of environment.

You see, the constitution and the rule of law really does make more sense than people like you.

79 posted on 06/10/2003 3:46:11 PM PDT by PuNcH
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To: xin loi
Shooting the perps immediately(a pipe dream)would stop it cold and relieve overcrowding in prison.

Funny that it is a pipe dream when it is the only logical thing to do.

80 posted on 06/10/2003 3:48:08 PM PDT by PuNcH
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