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Family Upset After Police Shoot Dog (Pitbull Mix) - Dog Owners considering legal action
KSDK St. Louis ^ | 6/10/03 | By Randy Jackson

Posted on 06/11/2003 12:13:00 AM PDT by stlnative

Family Upset After Police Shoot Dog 6/10/2003 6:42:42 PM

By Randy Jackson

(KSDK) — Creve Coeur police say it was self defense, but the owners of "Tank", a one and a half year old pit bull-boxer mix, say it was over kill. Literally.

Tank was shot by an officer, seven times Monday night on Sun Swept Drive.

Police say the dog was charging at a lawn worker when the officer fired his service weapon. But Gary Byrd, the dog’s owner says "Tank" never displayed any signs of anger or dangerous behavior, the entire time his family has owned him.

Byrd stated, "seven shots, I pulled the cartridges up and showed the shots that were shot in the dogs head, and they left the dog lay there for about an hour and a half."

Byrd says he is angry too, that officers fired so many shots in a residential area with children.

"Obviously you don't want to discharge in a residential area like that" says Creve Coeur Police Capt. Dale Bailey, but, " as he ran toward the dog, (to minimize the danger of an errant round) Bailey says, " he fired 2 shots to try and stop the dog, then the dog turned and started at the officer and the officer fired five more shots before the dog fell."

Cody Byrd, Gary Byrd's son said, "You don't shoot a dog, I mean all he wanted to do is go home."

Gary Byrd says he is considering legal action. Creve Coeur Police say the officer involved in the shooting is still on duty, and they have started an internal investigation. Police say the officer, also a dog owner, has been shaken up by the incident.


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Dog took 2 shots and turned around and started after the police officer who had to unload another 5 shots in it before it finally went down.

Thank goodness another deadly dog is off the streets and the cop deserves a huge pat on the back for killing it before it injuried someone or killed someone.
1 posted on 06/11/2003 12:13:00 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
Better you question the character of the owners child than his dog!
2 posted on 06/11/2003 12:17:08 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
Well it is obvious the owner of the dog is an idiot had no idea where the dog was and it probably took the cops an hour and a half to find out who owned the dog.

It is amazing that the cop had to shoot it 7 times before it finally went down. The cop did the right thing and I hope they at least fined the owners for it running loose.

The owners should be happy that the cop was able to kill it before it got ahold of the worker that was in the area.
3 posted on 06/11/2003 12:30:25 AM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: brigette
Oh,he'll get a citation and will try to sue the city!(I said try!)
4 posted on 06/11/2003 12:33:20 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: brigette
People need to remember that this breed has to be trained NOT to attack- along with Rotwieler's,Akita's, and a few other breeds.
5 posted on 06/11/2003 12:39:38 AM PDT by 1FreeAmerican
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This is a upscale neighborhood and the houses do not right on top of each other and it not a area that cops would be hanging around in or just happen to be there at the time this dog was trying to attack the lawn worker, the the cops had to be called in. Chances are the cops have been called in before about the same dog. By the comment of the owner saying "he was just trying to come home" sounds like this dog was running the neighborhood quite often. It just amazes it that it took 7 shots to bring it down. It just goes to show how powerful and determined these pitbull dogs can be when they want to attack someone. And the owner is complaining about the cop firing his firearm in a residental area with kids, but it never dawned on him how dangerous it is for him to let his pitbull mix dog roam in a residental area with kids running and playing.
6 posted on 06/11/2003 12:56:19 AM PDT by stlnative (Were it not for the brave…there'd be no land of the free.)
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To: brigette
Thank goodness another deadly dog is off the streets and the cop deserves a huge pat on the back for killing it before it injuried someone or killed someone.

This isn't right. It's not the dog's fault. IF this truely was a "vicious" dog, and IF it truely was attacking the laborer, then the fault is with (a) the owner, and (b) the breeder (for not spaying/neutering their dogs in the first place).

First of all, a PitBull x Boxer mix shouldn't exist in the first place. This is the result of two dog owners who didn't spay or neuter their dogs, and then allowed them to roam the streets so they could impregnate or become pregnant.

Second, while it is true that PitBulls are a breed that was bred to be tough, the temperament of any dog is a function of at least four things:
(a) Breeding (the temperament of sire and dam and their respective pedigrees);
(b) How the puppy was raised, cared for, and socialized during its first 8 weeks at the breeder's house;
(c) How well the puppy purchaser has been screened by the breeder (aka how experienced / informed / dedicated the new puppy owners are); and
(d) How well the puppy / adolescent dog is socialized and trained by it's owner.

All well-bred, well-raised, well-socialized, and well-trained puppies can become well-mannered dogs -- EVEN PITBULLS. Conversely, poorly-bred, poorly-raised, poorly-socialized, and poorly-trained dogs can be dangerous under certain circumstances - but are not always!

But the fault here is absolutely NOT with the dog -- dogs are representatives of their genes, their whelping conditions (breeder's rearing), and the socialization/training they do or do not get at their homes. Thus, if the dog was attacking the laborer, then the fault here is primarily with the OWNERS of this dog, and secondarily with the BREEDERS of this dog for allowing their intact dogs to breed in the first place.

The only other scenario, which is unlikely, would be if the Police Officer misinterpreted the dog's actions/intentions at the time. This happened in a case a couple of months ago where a highway patrolman shot a family's dog during a traffic stop. The family was pulled over because their car matched the description of a suspect in another crime. The family was told to get out of the car and leave the doors open. They had two dogs in the car. They asked the officers to close the doors so the dogs wouldn't get out of the car on the busy highway. But at least one of the dogs got out before the doors were closed. The dog, a Yellow Lab, was happily wagging it's tail and smiling, and it headed toward one of the officers to say hello. The officer shot the dog because it "kept coming" and wouldn't stop when he told it to! It turned out the officer knew very little about dogs and had no idea that a Yellow Lab (wagging it's tail and smiling) was absolutely no threat to him.

7 posted on 06/11/2003 2:50:24 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: BagCamAddict
The only other scenario, which is unlikely, would be if the Police Officer misinterpreted the dog's actions/intentions at the time.


LOL. Yeah, right. My bet is the cop saw a Pit, peed his pants, and shot before assessing the situation.

I basically agree with your post. I live with a 150 lb Rott named Whimpy. He'll gladly pay you Tuesday for some loving today. Good breeding, good training. In fairness to the cop, when Whimp is excitedly bouncing at you 3/4 throttle, he is a little intimidating to newcomers. Until he arrives and shoves his big head under your hand, or in your lap, ... and he looks up with those big brown eyes and, .... Well, you can tell I'm a dog person.
8 posted on 06/11/2003 3:32:31 AM PDT by KCmark (I am NOT a partisan.)
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To: KCmark
Very good points.

As much as I hate the word, the dog is the victim. People who have a pet, especially one that can be dangerous, are responsible for them. It's that simple.
9 posted on 06/11/2003 3:42:44 AM PDT by OldEagle (Haven't been wrong since 1947.)
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To: KCmark
I have seen the results of a "harmless loving family pet rotty" that grabbed a beautiful 5 year old by the face scarring her for life. A month ago I saw the results of a "harmless loving family pet Pit Bull" as it grabbed my 13 year old cat and killed it.

I don't buy that any of these breeds are always harmless. It's just a matter of time.
10 posted on 06/11/2003 3:55:50 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Helen Thomas, Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: KCmark
"I live with a 150 lb Rott named Whimpy"

Those are beasts of a dog. I met a 140 pounder this past weekend with a similar temperment. When I first saw him bounding toward me from the front porch I was stunned at his size and thought for moment about what I was going to do if he didn't like me. A second later he buried his basketball size head into my waist wanting me to scratch his ears.
11 posted on 06/11/2003 4:07:27 AM PDT by Rebelbase (........The bartender yells, "hey get out of here, we don't serve breakfast!")
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Anyone who would allow a Pit mix to roam the streets is a complete and total idiot. I agree that the officer most likely did him a favor by taking the dog out before someone got maimed or killed. I am a dog owner myself, a responsible one. Granted, my pooch is a 24 pound Cocker, but I still never let him ouside of our fenced yard while not on a leash. I know he could never actually kill anyone, but a dog is a dog, and all it would take is one child knocked off of a bike or nipped in the face and it's all over. I have seen a few large dogs roaming our neighborhood, and I always call them in.
12 posted on 06/11/2003 5:58:33 AM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: KCmark
I'll bet He thinks that He is a lap dog too.
13 posted on 06/11/2003 6:19:13 AM PDT by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: Clintons Are White Trash
Last week on COPS there was a pit bull loose in the neighborhood killing cats. The family was out shopping, and when they returned the police confronted them and told them that the dog was roaming and killing other animals.

The mother of the family acted like it was no big deal.

I hate pitbulls. As far as I am concerned the darn things are landsharks.
14 posted on 06/11/2003 6:27:50 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Just because a house fell on your sister doesn't mean that you have to take it out on me.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
There is a pitbull living next door to my sister & her two samll children. Until I saw that this dog was older than dirt & could barely walk, I seriously considered doing something about it. The fence is only 2 feet high, and a healthy dog could easily jump it.
15 posted on 06/11/2003 6:37:33 AM PDT by nina0113 (I didn't steal that line, I liberated it)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
My Niece's husband has two Rottweilers and considers himself something of a dog expert.

A few days ago, her Brother, (also my Nephew) told me one of the Rottweilers put him in the hospital. Chewed him up pretty badly.

16 posted on 06/11/2003 6:42:41 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: 1FreeAmerican
"People need to remember that this breed has to be trained NOT to attack- along with Rotwieler's,Akita's, and a few other breeds."

Absolutely NOT true! I've had a pit bull for ten years and she has NEVER attacked ANYONE! The kids in the neighborhood love her and she loves them. A dog will act in the manner its handler wants it to act. If the handler wants the dog to be a vicious attacker, it will be. If the handler wants a loving pet and faithful companion, the dog will be all that and more.
17 posted on 06/11/2003 6:45:48 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: brigette
Powder..Patch..Ball FIRE!

Well it is obvious the owner of the dog is an idiot had no idea where the dog was and it probably took the cops an hour and a half to find out who owned the dog.

You need a clue. I watched this family on tv last night crying over a family pet who was shot in its own front yard.

They even showed a veterinarian report that noted the disposition of the dog (Nice Dog!). Neighborhood kids came over and played with the pup (14 months old).

It is amazing that the cop had to shoot it 7 times before it finally went down. The cop did the right thing and I hope they at least fined the owners for it running loose

What makes you think the cop hit the dog 7 times? He just sprayed and prayed... In a residential neighborhood, in the family that owned the dogs front yard. Get a couple of clues.

18 posted on 06/11/2003 6:51:07 AM PDT by BallandPowder
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
In my neighborhood cats are the main threat to life. They roam wild killing anything they can catch and generally making a mess. I would welcome a dog that would help get rid of these cats.
19 posted on 06/11/2003 7:01:19 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: ought-six
I was 'attacked' by a pitbull awhile back.

I was walking through the empty lot behind my house on my way to the post office when I felt something hit me in the small of my back . I thought it was a child, and I turned around . Instead, I found myself looking down into the unmistakeable eggshaped head of a pitbull. I think he was a "teenager" : Grown to full size but not quite a year old, say , 8-10 months. Still *technically* a puppy.

He had that stupid pitbull grin and his tail was a blur. I was a little intimidated (a dog's grin lets you see the teeth!) so I talked to him, let him sniff my hand, and then I scritched him under the chin . (Some dogs dislike being petted on the head...A human arm over their heads reminds them of the way dominant wolves-and dogs-drape front legs over subordinate dog's shoulders.)

As I was scritching him , he suddenly reared up on his hind legs, so I was nearly looking him in the eye, and grabbed me around the waist. He leaned his head back to make the neck scritching more convenient for me, and just stood there, eyes shut, grinning, soaking up the attention.

Then the dog's owner rode by on his bike and called the dog to him. The owner looked a bit suspicious, as if he thought I was trying to steal his dog. The thought never crossed my mind...well, not seriously, anyway. So the pitbull obediently let go and loped after his person. Haven't seen him since.

While all this was going on, my dogs-two miniature dachshunds, one standard dachshund, and one chihuahua(combined weight : 39 lbs)-watched with shocked disbelief and an occasional bark/scream of pure canine rage at my treachery and disloyalty. When I let them back into the house, they snubbed me for some time...I had touched another dog without their permission.

I finally understood the attraction of big dogs.Little dogs are cute...But big dogs can hug back.

20 posted on 06/11/2003 7:36:48 AM PDT by kaylar
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I feel the same way. This last ordeal has prompted me to get and learn how to use a gun.
21 posted on 06/11/2003 10:35:27 AM PDT by Clintons Are White Trash (Helen Thomas, Molly Ivins, Maureen Dowd - The Axis of Ugly)
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To: KCmark
In fairness to the cop, when Whimp is excitedly bouncing at you 3/4 throttle, he is a little intimidating to newcomers.

Oh I agree. I have big dogs too, and when they play, they might run past me and fly into the air just as they go past my body - in an effort to get up high to "smile" at my face as they fly by... and to anyone that (a) doesn't know dogs, and (b) doesn't know MY dogs, it may appear that they are "attacking" or leaping for my throat. Nothing could be further from the truth. They are just doing their wide-eyed puppy-frenzy race-around-like-a-bat-outta-hell playing thing. But Joe Schmoe walking on the sidewalk looking into my back yard might think I was being attacked by wild dogs.

The only part of this story where I think the Cop may have some responsibility is that PERHAPS he overreacted and he didn't know 100% that the dog was attacking. If the yard worker had NO injuries from the dog... did the Cop prevent a tragedy, or did he prevent a playful romp? Did the Cop yell "Are you OK sir? Do you feel threatened by this dog?" Did the yard guy say "This dog just tried to kill me, but I beat him off with a stick, and look, here he comes again!" This one story just doesn't have enough details for me to conclude the dog was truely attacking. So I'm going to do some net surfing to see if I can find any more details. Because we all know how news articles NEVER get the whole story or the correct story.

22 posted on 06/11/2003 12:23:16 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
I hate pitbulls. As far as I am concerned the darn things are landsharks.

If they are trained well, they're more like "sofasharks," my joke nickname for the breed. My other nickname: "the world's most dangerous lapdogs." After having a pit bull, I may never get a dog of a different breed. He never bit anyone and was the absolute king of the snuggle.
23 posted on 06/11/2003 2:36:39 PM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: kaylar
Body language -- on both sides. When the back end is moving faster than the front end, the dog is playing. And I have found the best way to get along is to act like you are supposed to be there. Dogs are not stupid and they want to please. That's why we love them so much. A dog wants you to be happy and will do everything it can to make that happen. A cat wants you to be happy too, just not at its expense. If you have the space, big dogs are great.

My cousin had a Mastiff. I swear, this thing played catch with itself using an eight-pound bowling ball. He would use the holes to wedge his teeth in and throw the thing 5-10 feet up in the air! It was an incredible thing to see. They had to put tin on the back of the house to keep him from demolishing the siding. He would also hike it about twenty feet. They should have put him on AFHV.

I love dogs. Thanks for the stories everyone, they have all made me smile (well, not the mauling stories).
24 posted on 06/11/2003 3:00:50 PM PDT by KCmark (I am NOT a partisan.)
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To: cspackler
It sounds like you have a pretty sound understanding that "dogs will be dogs" and that no matter what the size of the dog, almost any dog could become aggressive if adequately provoked.

But for everyone else, here are a few bits of interesting data:

1. Children are the most common victims of severe dog bites. A Health Canada study suggests this is because young children lack judgement or have difficulty recognizing the dog's warning signs, and are more likely to act in a way the dog considers threatening. In March 1999, the Dutch Consumer Safety Institute reported on a survey of 164 dog-bite victims. The Netherlands has a dog population of 1.2 million. Out of the 15.6 million human population, one in 13 people owns a dog. Emergency departments treat about 12,000 dog bite victims every year and hospitals admit 220. About 40 per cent of the victims are under 10 years old. A 1996 study by the Canadian Hospitals Injury Reporting and Prevention Program (CHIRPP) focused primarily on children. Out of 385 patients, almost 2/3 (64.7%) were under 10.

2. In the Netherlands, the breeds responsible for the highest total number of bites were Rottweilers (20 per cent), and Golden Retrievers and Labrador Retrievers (15 per cent). Golden and Labrador Retrievers have a reputation for being friendly and good-natured, so the high number of bites is because they are very common breeds.

3. In the Canadian study, the most common breeds causing a bite injury were German Shepherds, Cocker Spaniels, Rottweilers and Golden Retrievers.

4. In the Canadian study, only 11.2 per cent of the dogs (that had bitten a human) had received obedience training.

And I've found some really interesting statistics on another website that I'll post in my next post.

25 posted on 06/12/2003 3:18:38 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: brigette
I had to shoot a neighbors Pit Bull that was chewing on another neighbors Beagle. I shot the dog three times with my .357 . The Pit Bull dropped the Beagle and started to trot down the street. Another neighbor, (an off duty cop), put six 9mm rounds into the beast before it fell.
26 posted on 06/12/2003 3:28:19 AM PDT by csvset
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To: brigette; MEG33; 1FreeAmerican; KCmark; OldEagle; Clintons Are White Trash; Rebelbase; cspackler; ..
Some very interesting dog bite statistics (including all reference sources) obtained at this website:

The number of dogs:
There are approximately 68 million owned dogs in the United States.
40% of US households own a dog.
24% of owners own two dogs.
13% own three or more dogs.

The number of victims:
Dogs bite nearly 2% of the U.S. population -- more than 4.7 million people annually.
Almost 800,000 bites per year -- 1 out of every 6 -- are serious enough to require medical attention.
Dog bites send nearly 334,000 victims to hospital emergency departments per year (914 per day).
Bites to children represent more than 50% of the total number cases.
26% of child-victims -- compared with 12% of the adults -- require medical care.
Every year 2,851 letter carriers are bitten.
An American has a 1 in 50 chance of being bitten by a dog each year.

The number of fatalities:
In the U.S. from 1979 to 1996, 304 people in the U.S died from dog attacks, including 30 in California.
The average number of deaths per year was 17.
Most of the deceased were children.
The chances that the victim of a fatal dog attack will be a child are 7 out of 10; the odds that it will be a burgler are 1 in 177. However, fatalities are highly unusual.
For every fatal dog bite in the United States, there are 230,000 bites that are not treated by a physician.

The scene of attack is home or a familiar place:
The majority of dog attacks (61%) happen at home or in a familiar place.

Dogs bite family and friends:
The vast majority of biting dogs (77%) belong to the victim's family or a friend.

The dogs most likely to bite:
The Centers for Disease Control study dog bite incidents, including the types of dogs most likely to bite. The breeds that the CDC considers highest risk are:

pit bulls (??)***
Rottweilers (22,196)***
German Shepherds (46,963)***
Siberian Huskies (12,350)***
Alaskan Malamutes (2,291)***
Doberman Pinschers (11,829)***
Chow Chows (2,199)***
Great Danes (8,975)***
St. Bernards (5,188)***
and Akitas (3,987)***

***The number in parentheses is the number of new AKC registrations for each breed during the year 2002. The number of UNregistered dogs in each of these breeds is UNKNOWN. No statistic is listed for "pit bulls" because that is not technically a breed recognized by the AKC.
For comparison, in 2002, there were 154,616 new AKC registrations for Labrador Retrievers, and 56,124 new registrations for Golden Retrievers.
For a complete listing of all AKC breed registrations for 2002, see the AKC Website

There is an 8 out of 10 chance that a biting dog is male.

Although pit bull mixes and Rottweillers are most likely to kill and seriously maim, fatal attacks since 1975 have been attributed to dogs from at least 30 breeds.

The most horrifying example of the lack of breed predictibility is the October 2000 death of a 6-week-old baby, which was killed by her family's Pomeranian dog. The average weight of a Pomeranian is about 4 pounds, and they are not thought of as a dangerous breed. Note, however, that they were bred to be watchdogs! The baby's uncle left the infant and the dog on a bed while the uncle prepared her bottle in the kitchen. Upon his return, the dog was mauling the baby, who died shortly afterwards.

In all fairness, therefore, it must be noted that:
Any dog, treated harshly or trained to attack, may bite a person. Any dog can be turned into a dangerous dog. The owner most often is responsible -- not the breed, and not the dog.
An irresponsible owner or dog handler might create a situation that places another person in danger by a dog, without the dog itself being dangerous, as in the case of the Pomeranian that killed the infant (see above).
Any individual dog may be a good, loving pet, even though its breed is considered to be likely to bite. A responsible owner can win the love and respect of a dog, no matter its breed. One cannot look at an individual dog, recognize its breed, and then state whether or not it is going to attack.

Children are the most frequent targets: Studies of dog bite injuries have reported that:
The median age of patients bitten was 15 years, with children, especially boys aged 5 to 9 years, having the highest incidence rate.
The odds that a bite victim will be a child are 3.2 to 1. (CDC.)
Children seen in emergency departments were more likely than older persons to be bitten on the face, neck, and head. 77% of injuries to children under 10 years old are facial.
Severe injuries occur almost exclusively in children less than 10 years of age.
The majority of dog attacks (61%) happen at home or in a familiar place.
The vast majority of biting dogs (77%) belong to the victim's family or a friend.
When a child less than 4 years old is the victim, the family dog was the attacker half the time (47%), and the attack almost always happened in the family home (90%).

Here's how dog bites rank among other common causes of childhood emergency-room injuries (source: JAMA):

Cause of injury -- Number of Emergency room incidents anually
Baseball/softball 404,364
Dog bites 333,687
Playground accidents 268,810
All-terrain vehicles, mopeds, etc 125,136
Volleyball 97,523
Inline skating 75,994
Horseback riding 71,162
Baby walkers 28,000
Skateboards 25,486

The face is the most frequent target: Studies also have shown that:
Dog bites result in approximately 44,000 facial injuries in US hospitals each year. This represents between 0.5% and 1.5% of all emergency room visits.
The face is the most frequent target (77% of all injures). Mail carriers are an exception where 97% involve the lower extremities.
The central target area for the face includes the lips, nose, and cheeks.

27 posted on 06/12/2003 4:03:26 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: BagCamAddict
"Although pit bull mixes and Rottweillers are most likely to kill and seriously maim,"
28 posted on 06/12/2003 5:03:00 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs (Just because a house fell on your sister doesn't mean that you have to take it out on me.)
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To: BagCamAddict
The chances that the victim of a fatal dog attack will be a child are 7 out of 10; the odds that it will be a burgler are 1 in 177.



Burglers avoid houses with dogs.

A lot of these stats are not surprising. Boys at 9, pushing the envelope with the local mean dog and such. Kids get bit in face, go figure. Big dogs cause most death, who'da thunk it?

All in all some interesting stats. Thanks. Seeing some of the items quntified and all. I wonder what the percentage of each breed is an attacker. In the end, if the owner has any fear at all his pet might attack, he should treat it like a loaded weapon. The owner has the final responsibility. At the same time, LEOs have recently been shooting a few too many dogs for my taste. They are a member of the family after all.
29 posted on 06/12/2003 5:25:27 AM PDT by KCmark (I am NOT a partisan.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Out of ALL of those statistics, that is the only thing you zeroed in on? Are you kidding me?

How could you miss the FACT that dog bites are not the FAULT of the DOG ?? Dog bites are the result of insufficient or bad training/socialization, lack of control of the dog by the owner, ignorance on the part of the human owner or the person who was bitten, etc... But the common denominator is the IRRESPONSIBLE owners of the dogs who do the biting!

And since 50% of the dog bite victims are children, dog owners should be ESPECIALLY cognizant of supervising child-dog interactions. NO child should ever be unsupervised around any dog. And parents of children should also EDUCATE their children about dogs - not to fear dogs, but to be able to interact with dogs in a non-threatening, non-teasing manner, and to be able to understand and respect dog body language enough to know when "the dog has had enough" of the often-rough play with the child.

There were many more useful statistics in that post than the one you chose to focus on. But for your information, the REASON pit bulls and Rottweilers are more likely to kill or seriously maim has to do with (a) the job the breed was originally bred to perform, and (b) the structure and bite strenght of the breed's jaws.

I wasn't able to find the exact statistic, but for your additional information: For several years, the NUMBER ONE breed in the US, with the highest number of reported dog bites, was the COCKER SPANIEL. There are many reasons for this, but some of them are: (a) the popularity of that breed in the US at the time; (b) ignorance of owners in thinking that a small dog = a safe/cuddly dog; (c) poor temperament due to poor breeding (because the more popular a dog is, the better chance Puppy Mills will crank them out for profit, with no regard to ethical breeding or concern about temperaments), etc.

So please don't focus on a specific breed or breeds when it comes to dog bites. Nor should focus be placed on Large breeds vs. small breeds. One of the reasons the statistics may show only larger breeds in the CDC's list is simply because of the strength of a large dog's bite. In other words, there may be (and probably are) FAR MORE bites from small dogs than from large dogs... but because a small dog cannot generally do as much damage in one bite as a large dog can, MANY MANY of these small-dog bites go unreported because they do not result in a hospital visit.

Statistics are interesting for what they show. But they are equally as interesting for what they do NOT show - and in this case, it's the lack of information on bites by Small breed dogs because they don't result in medical attention nearly as often as bites from Large breeds do (due to muscle/jaw strength, and NOT necessarily due to temperament or bite-propensity of the Larger breeds!)
30 posted on 06/12/2003 3:21:13 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

The one thing that you don't understand "pits" just have a bad name. They are fun, loving, caring, playfull dogs. My "pit" plays with all the children around. He shows no harm to anyone, complete strangers come and pat him.


31 posted on 06/26/2004 7:53:51 AM PDT by Houston143-2 (all you PITBULL haters)
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To: brigette
It would help to have been there and actually seen what happened but when I see a story about a pitbull or pit-mixed being killed by a cop, I just about always agree witht the cop.

These dogs are simply bred for meanness, aggession and toughness.

32 posted on 06/26/2004 8:02:26 AM PDT by yarddog
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To: yarddog

any dog could attack you and no dog I repeat no dog must be trained not to attack all dogs that are used for security whether it be at home or on the job must be taught to attack I had a pit that I got from someone who raised it to fight it was old and mostly lazy it had scars all over its head from fighting and furthermore did anyone ever think about the fact the hundred and fifty pound dog could easily jump a fence up to six feet high with ease and that the owner may have had it in the yard and it escaped also if you got shot in the head twice wouldn't you try to attack the person whom shot you


33 posted on 02/23/2006 10:26:22 PM PST by notajackass (brigette)
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To: notajackass
Learn punctuation.
34 posted on 02/23/2006 10:28:43 PM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: stlnative
First I would like to say that I am a proud owner of 2 pit bulls. This situation again goes back to the owners not the dog.The dog should not have been loose.NEVER EVER allow your pit bull free roam of the streets,I mean what did you expect?? for someone to return him home? We as pit bull owners need to take all precautions to make sure that stuff like this does not happen.Another case of an irresponsible pit bull owner where the dog suffered.
35 posted on 07/11/2006 1:39:46 PM PDT by ms lady allen
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