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Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:54 AM PDT by kattracks

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To: Centurion2000
That's the way they think. To them, nothing is more odious than a parent who believes that their kids are their kids, to be brought up how they see fit - what all this really means, is that *they* want to be able to deconstruct the familial ties, values, mores and memes that transmit culture and civilization - and not incidentally, happy, long productive lives - and tear them down, via "sins" that we all know are counterproductive. This is why homeschooling is so popular, for a start.
101 posted on 06/11/2003 9:28:10 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: kattracks
Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality

San Francisco's ....Why am I not surprized?

Wasn't the APA the group that actually stated, in their Journal, that man/boy sex was good for the child? (Within the last 24 months)

102 posted on 06/11/2003 9:43:11 AM PDT by zip
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To: kattracks
The American Psychiatric Association has been controlled by occultists for decades...longer.

This would be the ultimate evil. I can't believe Americans would stand for this.

But it explains Woody Allen.

103 posted on 06/11/2003 9:58:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: kattracks
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!! HOW DARE THEY LEAVE OUT NECROPHILIA!!! IF WE CAN RAPE LIVE CHILDREN THEN WHY NOT DEAD ADULTS??? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION!

</ sarcasm!>

104 posted on 06/11/2003 9:59:14 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Remedy; RnMomof7
We all knew this was coming. They're testing the waters and preparing to desensitize the public with the usual arguments. It appears their activist element is ready to lead the charge.

This is chilling: In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

Apparently, molestation is good for children.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

So, if you can force them to go to church, the psychiatrists think that's the same as molesting them sexually? The two APA's are a very sick bunch, both now under the influence of their own pedophile element. This is how they got sodomy removed from the DSM decades back.

You really start to wonder why anyone even bothers to have children in this society. It's not as though anyone respects the wishes or ideas of parents. Across the board, society is aligned against parents making any meaningful decision.
105 posted on 06/11/2003 10:03:43 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Smile-n-Win
People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.

I agree with this. They are not mentally ill. They are sane criminal scum.

106 posted on 06/11/2003 10:17:57 AM PDT by Freakazoid (I'll take mine scrambled)
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To: kuma
In other words if you don't like the fact that you are mentally ill you can protest the APA (homosexuality 1973) and have it taken off.

And, indeed, I was just remembering when I was in elementary school in the early '70s, and heard a news story about removing homosexuality from "the book of mental disorders."

It sounded eerily similar to this one.

Wait and see -- the Roman Polanski will become the poster boy for this movement, to give us the idea that it's "normal" man-girl stuff, as opposed to a NAMBLA initiative.

107 posted on 06/11/2003 10:22:01 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: mict42
Psychiatry is not a science, it's an agenda

Well said. Can you imagine astronomers gathering to "debate" whether they would recognize gravity as a force of nature? If psychology does not use the scientific method, then uses political lobbying and debate in its place, how can it hope to be considered a science?

The most laughable thing of all is to see two psychologists sitting in a courtroom, arguing precisely opposing conclusions based on the same set of facts. Every time one of them speaks, there should be a laugh track.

108 posted on 06/11/2003 10:23:07 AM PDT by SoulStorms (That which grows in shadow, and withers in the light of day, does not belong on the vine.)
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To: Qwerty
Removing it as a mental illness is NOT condoning it, any more than saying murderers are not necessarily mentally ill. If you have a victim, it's still a crime.

You mean like when your pathology was wrongly removed from the DSM and sodomy laws were dropped from more than half the states becuase of that? You wouldn't know a slippery slope if it bit you in the ass.

109 posted on 06/11/2003 10:54:41 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Qwerty
You've got a bit of a flair for the dramatic. Have a donut or something while you wait.

I'm pretty sure he just ignores sniping reprobates but who knows.

110 posted on 06/11/2003 10:56:42 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"You mean like when your pathology was wrongly removed from the DSM and sodomy laws were dropped from more than half the states becuase of that?"

Find a "victim" of adult consensual sodomy.

"You wouldn't know a slippery slope if it bit you in the ass."

You wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it (fill in with whatever childish taunt you like).

111 posted on 06/11/2003 10:57:09 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"I'm pretty sure he just ignores sniping reprobates but who knows."

Why, isn't he talking to you?

112 posted on 06/11/2003 10:58:44 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Find a "victim" of adult consensual sodomy.

The Sodomites and society...too easy.

You wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it (fill in with whatever childish taunt you like).

Your perversion prevents any rational logic from your mentally ill mind, hope you seek help some day.

113 posted on 06/11/2003 11:06:45 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Qwerty
Why, isn't he talking to you?

Because I'm not the reprobate? Just guessing. Your illness again blinds even simple discourse.

114 posted on 06/11/2003 11:09:13 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Find a "victim" of adult consensual sodomy. "The Sodomites and society...too easy."

Back to school, Clint. List "society's" rights. After you leave a blank there, list the rights of the sodomites that are being trampled when they engage in consensual sodomy.

"Your perversion prevents any rational logic from your mentally ill mind, hope you seek help some day."

Sadly, Clint... this ad hominem is the best you can do.

115 posted on 06/11/2003 11:11:04 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Your illness again blinds even simple discourse."

But you post to me again and again. The cognitive dissonance is building to a fever pitch in your head, isn't it?

116 posted on 06/11/2003 11:12:54 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Back to school, Clint. List "society's" rights.

Everything left after the 10th amendment.

After you leave a blank there, list the rights of the sodomites that are being trampled when they engage in consensual sodomy.

Sodomy is not a right in many states.

Sadly, Clint... this ad hominem is the best you can do.

Truth is not ad hominem.

117 posted on 06/11/2003 11:15:18 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Qwerty
But you post to me again and again.

Just trying to help you find reparation.

The cognitive dissonance is building to a fever pitch in your head, isn't it?

If that's what your pathology tells you, I understand.

118 posted on 06/11/2003 11:18:02 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Everything left after the 10th amendment."

Wow. You think society has rights.

Actually, only individuals have rights.

"Sodomy is not a right in many states."

Yeah. And ownership of guns isn't a "right" in some states. You agree with that too?

"Truth is not ad hominem."

Your concept of truth bears little to no resemblance to reality. Aside from that, truth CAN be ad hominem. You didn't know?

119 posted on 06/11/2003 11:25:36 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Just trying to help you find reparation."

Likewise.

120 posted on 06/11/2003 11:26:38 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: kattracks
This is so sick. Perverted pedophiles have infiltrated the group.
121 posted on 06/11/2003 11:33:02 AM PDT by Dante3 (.)
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To: Qwerty
Wow. You think society has rights. Actually, only individuals have rights.

And your lack of logic addresses what? That individual rights aren’t the 9th minus 10th amendments? Hehe

Yeah. And ownership of guns isn't a "right" in some states. You agree with that too?

More mentally ill logic, show me where sodomy is a right in the constitution?

Your concept of truth bears little to no resemblance to reality. Aside from that, truth CAN be ad hominem. You didn't know?

Maybe in the mentally ill mind that doesn’t want to know the reality of her pathology.

122 posted on 06/11/2003 11:36:15 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"And your lack of logic addresses what? That individual rights aren’t the 9th minus 10th amendments? Hehe"

It addresses the fact that "society" is not recognized to have rights.

"More mentally ill logic, show me where sodomy is a right in the constitution?"

The 9th amendment is a hint. You're really prepared to give it all to the government, aren't you? You actually feel that government has a compelling interest to regulate private, adult, consensual behavior.

And you favor smaller government, how exactly?

So.. do you at least admit that truth can be an ad hominem? Or are you going to gloss over this glaring mistake?

124 posted on 06/11/2003 11:42:53 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
How is it that you manage to turn every thread into a discussion of homosexuality?

If you want to discuss the de-listing of pedophilia, then post to me and I'll be glad to talk about it. If you want to argue (badly) about homosexuality, either mail me or keep it on a thread about homosexuality.

125 posted on 06/11/2003 11:45:13 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: DeepDish
If I imagine a Saudi iman reading an article like this I begin to understand their loathing of our culture.

Why? Their "prophet" had a six-year-old girl as a wife (and definitely consumated that marriage by the time she was 9).

Such activities are evil, but it is an evil that has been with humanity for quite some time; and an evil that other cultures, especially Islamic ones, often refuse to recognize.

126 posted on 06/11/2003 11:48:03 AM PDT by Technogeeb
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To: kattracks
I know of two psychiatrists in the Bay Area. I am sure both of them were at this conference. I'm going to ask one of them about this.

I have worked in psych. I don't know one nurse, physician or tech who would ever support the idea of pedophilia being normal. A good number of their patients are the screwed up victims!
127 posted on 06/11/2003 11:54:47 AM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Freakazoid
They are not mentally ill. They are sane criminal scum.

They are criminals all right. But I don't think criminals are sane.

Not as if it mattered much; it's a question of how you define "sane." Whatever definition you choose, though, it should be clear that no one must be forgiven his crimes just because he is considered a vegetable.

128 posted on 06/11/2003 12:05:36 PM PDT by Smile-n-Win (The EU will break up any day, but the USA is here to stay!)
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To: kattracks; LiteKeeper
Bump and SPOTREP ping
130 posted on 06/11/2003 12:13:24 PM PDT by rightwingreligiousfanatic (Caution: Wet Floor....(Tagline is being sanitized for your protection))
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To: montag813
What about beastiality???!!!
131 posted on 06/11/2003 12:16:28 PM PDT by kdmhcdcfld (Any rebroadcast of this tagline without the express written consent of FreeRepublic is prohibited.)
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To: Qwerty
It addresses the fact that "society" is not recognized to have rights.

Oh please, society is a group of individuals and you know that’s who and what I was addressing. .. Nice try again at sophistry though.

The 9th amendment is a hint.

But it’s at the mercy of the 10th so your example is wrong in many cases, so AGAIN where is sodomy listed in the constitution like gun ownership?

You're really prepared to give it all to the government, aren't you?

I’m prepared to live by the constitution unlike you and if you live in one the states that has sodomy laws that would make you a felon.

You actually feel that government has a compelling interest to regulate private, adult, consensual behavior.

It does for the sake of society, like consensual pedophilia, bestiality, drug and euthanasia laws.

And you favor smaller government, how exactly?

Exactly how it’s been for the past couple hundred years.

So.. do you at least admit that truth can be an ad hominem? Or are you going to gloss over this glaring mistake?

Nope, the truth is not an attack on ones character, it’s simply the truth.

How is it that you manage to turn every thread into a discussion of homosexuality?

It’s gereally because the thread is about homosexuality.

If you want to discuss the de-listing of pedophilia, then post to me and I'll be glad to talk about it.

This thread is about paraphilic disorder so homosexuality, bestiality…are all included.

If you want to argue (badly) about homosexuality, either mail me or keep it on a thread about homosexuality.

No need, you’re here because you are a homosexual so why pretend otherwise?

132 posted on 06/11/2003 12:17:55 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: sweetliberty
How about the words of Carman?

America's dead and dying hand is on the threshold of the church while the spirit of Sodom and Gomorrah vex us all

When it gets to the point that people would rather come out of the closet than clean it, it's a sign that the judgment of God is gonna fall

133 posted on 06/11/2003 12:28:12 PM PDT by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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To: Labyrinthos
"...Second, if pedophilia is not a mental illness under DSM-IV, then it is no longer subject to the insanity defense or similar defenses that try to excuse behavior on account of mental illness...

Ah,but step follows step: When it is declared that XYZ is not a mental illness, that it stands to follow that it (like homosexuality) is either:

a) An inhert condition
or
b) An "orintation"

neither of which is a crime. Indeed, this could very easily be spun in this fashion:

"Yes, my client knows that XYZ is not a usual practice and is even condemned by many others in society. And, yes, he still does it. And we know now it's not a mental illness. We know he isn't 'crazy'. So the question is not 'Did he do it?' but 'Why did he do it?' Because it is his sexual orintation. Something he was born with. Something over which he has no control..."

134 posted on 06/11/2003 12:33:07 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: kattracks
"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

Now there's a an abnormality. This nutcase is suffering from delusions of grandeur. Does he REALLY think that all of society stops and accepts what ever his so-called profession declares? Does he really think their opinions supersede the legal and electoral process in this country?

This is the problem, these whackos place too much self-importance in themselves.

135 posted on 06/11/2003 12:36:15 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (Fighting for Freedom and Having Fun)
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To: saramundee
You better go tell Vice President Cheney so he can go lock up his daughter. She is a lesbian and according to you, mentally ill.

What? Because she's the VP's daughter she can't be mentally ill? Mental illness, like multiple scierosis, respects no one.

136 posted on 06/11/2003 12:39:46 PM PDT by yankeedame ("Born with the gift of laughter and a sense that the world was mad.")
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To: kattracks
"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

Not such a tough fight. Just argue that psychiatrists have demonstrated that they have no credibility and their opinion should not be considered expert. These people have way too high of an opinion of themselves.
137 posted on 06/11/2003 12:49:23 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: Smile-n-Win
The lunatics do indeed run the asylum.

Truer words were never spoken

138 posted on 06/11/2003 1:02:39 PM PDT by conservababeJen
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To: kattracks
Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

Clearly labeling something as an illness does not always stigmatize it. In fact it can have to opposite effect. The focus out to be on whether or not pedophilia is an illness. Saying it's not is not the same thing as saying it's perfectly moral. And in fact I could see how removing it for the list of mental illnesses could highlight the moral issues.

139 posted on 06/11/2003 1:03:21 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Iraq was liberated in my name, how about yours?)
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To: sweetliberty
What's next, proclaiming that children really have no rights because they are net yet deemed to be persons before the age of consent?

Thus clearing the way for the advent of post-partum abortion! I think you've hit it on the nose!
140 posted on 06/11/2003 1:09:22 PM PDT by johnb838 (Understand the root causes of American Anger.)
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To: kattracks
"of pedophilia from an upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders."

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That is how the homosexuality fad started...

Lock up your kids. And I bet the homosexuals are behind this, they need a fresh crop of little homosexuals trained early. Just remember all the priest pedophilia cases, they were virtually all homosexual molestations.

141 posted on 06/11/2003 1:09:56 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: John O
The problem (for them) is that GID is easily treatable and has a pretty good cure rate.

So is pedophilia, with a 100% success rate I might add.

It's called a bullet in the head.

142 posted on 06/11/2003 1:24:45 PM PDT by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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To: -YYZ-
Well, I have to be honest, I had a physical attraction to Hillary Duff (I mean, look at her!). Until I found out she was only 15.

Thing is, at first glance (in this case, the movie poster for The Lizzie McGuire Movie), you would not know it. And that can certainly be a problem in statutory rape cases, girls are physically maturing so fast.

I'll tell you straight away if Hillary was my daughter, any man that touched her would be 100% frickin' dead.

143 posted on 06/11/2003 1:31:47 PM PDT by Houmatt (Real conservatives don't defend kiddy porn!)
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To: kattracks
BTTT for later...
144 posted on 06/11/2003 1:32:16 PM PDT by EdReform (Support Free Republic - Become a Monthly Donor)
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To: kattracks
People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.Well they are not crazy just very very wicked.
145 posted on 06/11/2003 1:33:56 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: yankeedame
"Yes, my client knows that XYZ is not a usual practice and is even condemned by many others in society. And, yes, he still does it. And we know now it's not a mental illness. We know he isn't 'crazy'. So the question is not 'Did he do it?' but 'Why did he do it?' Because it is his sexual orintation. Something he was born with. Something over which he has no control..."

I think the response to to that would be "Then he just needs to be locked up and kept away from kids." Which is sort of where most people are at anyways I think. People don't oppose pedophilia just because they think it's icky, they oppose it because there's a victim.

146 posted on 06/11/2003 1:37:26 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Iraq was liberated in my name, how about yours?)
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To: kattracks
A friend of mine in the med industry does business with ALOT of Psychiatrists. She swears they are as nutty as any of their patients.

The few I have met, I tend to agree with her.
147 posted on 06/11/2003 1:37:27 PM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: kattracks
It shouldn't be considered an illness in need of treatment for the "afflicted."

It should be considered a crime in need of execution for the perpetrator.

148 posted on 06/11/2003 1:39:37 PM PDT by dead
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To: kattracks
People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued. Well they are not crazy just very very wicked.
149 posted on 06/11/2003 1:45:04 PM PDT by ColdSteelTalon
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To: dsc
I mean, "everybody knows" that "gays" are more sensitive, artistic, creative, intelligent,

You left out "fabulous"

150 posted on 06/11/2003 2:08:47 PM PDT by murdoog (i just changed my tag line)
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