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Why Clinton KoolAid Drinkers Will Never Admit that He Is a Vicious Rapist
dfu commentary | 6-11-03 | dfu

Posted on 06/11/2003 6:38:27 PM PDT by doug from upland

For those who have paid attention, it is obvious that Juanita Broaddrick is a compelling witness. She lived a nightmare that she always wanted to be private but that became public.

Juanita never wanted to testify. That is why she made the initial mistake of signing an affidavit that came from Bruce Lindsey, who was quite a behind the scenes fixer and apparently also an affidavit mill. Talk about a lowlife with no conscience.

When she had to testify under oath, Juanita told the truth as she lived it. She came forward reluctantly. She had government contracts that could be in jeopardy. She saw what happened to those who were a threat to the Clintons. She has not written a book or taken money for her story. She was threatened by Hillary shortly after the rape. Coming forward had no upside for her. She would have to be embarrassed in public and relive the atrocity she suffered at the hands of the attorney general of Arkansas.

To believe Bill Clinton, you must believe that everyone else has been telling lies -- Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, L.D. Brown, Roger Perry, Larry Patterson, Gary Parks, Mrs. Parks, Gary Aldrich, Gennifer Flowers, Gary Johnson, Sally Purdue, deceased Jim McDougal, Bobbie Ann Williams, Sharlene Wilson, Linda Tripp and perhaps even Josh Steiner's diary. Everybody is lying, and the Clintons are telling the truth.

It is very clear why those who believe all things Clinton can never accept that their hero is a vicious rapist. To accept that is to accept the fact that the dreaded right wing has been telling the truth.

Yes, Foster's body was moved to that park. Yes, there were hundreds of affairs. Yes, he gave jobs in exchange for sex. Yes, he used government vehicles and troopers on overtime pay to procure women. Yes, there were incriminating documents taken from Vince's office. Yes, they ripped off Madison Guaranty. Yes, Hillary has been complicit in everything. Yes, he really had a cocaine problem. Yes, he knew Barry Seal was bringing in large shipments of cocaine to Mena. Yes, they committed fraud with an SBA loan. Yes, that was really Flowers and Bill on a non-doctored tape with him telling her to deny everything. Yes, Hillary hid billing records that were under subpoena. Yes, matching federal funds were used to hire thugs to threaten witnesses. Yes, Kathleen Willey's children were threatened. Yes, Hillary really did misuse FBI files. Yes, the president really did use his office and power to try to fix a federal sexual harassment lawsuit and deny a lowly employee her day in court. Yes, he got thrown out of Oxford and England for sexually assaulting Eileen Wellstone. Yes, he took a 900K bribe from Bernie Schwartz to keep Bernie out of prison. Etc., etc., etc.

Once the floodgate is opened, the Clintonistas drown in a sea of lies. What kind of conscience does a rapist have? What kind of conscience does his partner have who protected him and attacked the victims? They will stop at nothing to protect themselves. Lies and coverup are piled upon lies and coverup.

That is the Broaddrick problem and why supporters can never admit it. Their world falls apart. Everything they believed in about Bill and Hillary will have been shown to be a lie. And they will all look like fools and suckers. It is very difficult for a human being to admit he has been a sucker. They must keep lying to themselves and attack those of us who have tried to bring forward the truth about the Clintons for several years.


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1 posted on 06/11/2003 6:38:27 PM PDT by doug from upland
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To: doug from upland
I've been waiting for that to happen for 9 years...Im a little gunshy now...just when something else erupts and you think *this is it*...he/she gets away with it.
2 posted on 06/11/2003 6:42:26 PM PDT by mystery-ak (The War is not over for me until my hubby's boots hit U.S. soil.)
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To: doug from upland
I don't know. Once the thought occurs to you that you might be wrong, won't the thought also occur to you that, bad as it might be to admit you've been a sucker, it's a good deal worse to go on being a sucker?
3 posted on 06/11/2003 6:43:39 PM PDT by aristeides
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To: doug from upland
What is the significance of "koolaid drinker"? What does it mean?
4 posted on 06/11/2003 6:46:17 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: doug from upland
Very well said! I think you are right.
5 posted on 06/11/2003 6:47:45 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: aristeides
They have gone down a path from which there is no return. They would rather be dishonest with themselves than admit that the right wing has been telling the truth all along. They then, at least for a time, lose the political battle. They do not want to lose that battle. They believe in agenda over truth and the end justifies the means.
6 posted on 06/11/2003 6:48:05 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: TomGuy
Sort of like Jim Jones followers. They drank the koolaid and look where it got them.
7 posted on 06/11/2003 6:48:45 PM PDT by b4its2late (WOMEN: Remember, as you get older you no longer have hot flashes. You now have power surges.)
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To: TomGuy
The followers of religious whacko Jim Jones in Jonestown drank KoolAid and committed mass suicide. (Well, not actually the brand name KoolAid.)
8 posted on 06/11/2003 6:49:25 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: doug from upland
over 800 committed suicide!
9 posted on 06/11/2003 6:51:08 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: TomGuy
Jim Jones' Peoples Temple cult disaster in 1978

Info Here

10 posted on 06/11/2003 6:52:07 PM PDT by FReepaholic (I'm not paranoid. Why does everybody think I'm paranoid?)
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To: TomGuy
Jim Jones belonged to a mainline Christian denomination, having been ordained in the
Christian Church/Disciples of Christ in 1964. Jones preached a gospel of social and racial equality and at the same time presented himself as the only source of survival in a hostile and soon-to-be-destroyed world.

While Jim Jones was preaching in San Francisco, he helped out many local and even national campaigns and established a free health clinic and a drug rehabilitation program, eventually emerging as a political force. He became chairman of the San Francisco Housing Authority in 1976.

During the late 1970's, Jim Jones appears to have become increasingly paranoid. Then a congressman from San Francisco, Leo Ryan, spent one day at the jungle pavilion investigating allegation of human rights abuses. As Rep. Leo Ryan was preparing to return to the United States with about 16 temple members who had wanted to leave, he was ambushed on the airstrip. Ryan, three newsmen and a Temple defector were killed. Eleven others were injured.

Hours later, Jones urged his followers to drink the cyanide-laced (people say it was grape flavored) Kool-Aid..
11 posted on 06/11/2003 6:52:35 PM PDT by HighWheeler
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To: TomGuy
The whole Jim Jones story! It will give you a clue about the Clintonistas, and can relate to their 'drinking' the political Kool-Aid for their hero, thereby killing their own moral standing...

http://www.rickross.com/groups/jonestown.html
12 posted on 06/11/2003 6:54:49 PM PDT by LibFreeUSA
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To: doug from upland
Just remember pedophilia in the Catholic church: - A victim of a priest who does not come forward immediately and cannot remenber every detail because they are suppressing the pain is not much different than a victim of someone you thought you respected in your own political party - especially an Attorney General. Clinton's state position as Attorney General always seems to be brushed over. This man was the leading law enforcer for the state of Arkansan when he rapes Juanita!

The years to present the Catholic priest abuse should not matter any more than Juanita's!

13 posted on 06/11/2003 6:57:31 PM PDT by Alissa
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To: doug from upland
Your commentary, as usual, is right on.
14 posted on 06/11/2003 7:02:24 PM PDT by rs79bm (The difference between Los Angeles and yogurt is that yogurt comes with less fruit ... R. Limbaugh)
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To: doug from upland
I am an old guy. I shudder when I realize that I will never know a Clinton free day for the rest of my life. Either it will be Hillery's lies or Bill's lies or Chelsea's coming lies.

How do I know that Chelsea will lie, you ask? Well, I must admit that I have no clue other than the apple don't fall far from the tree. Maybe God will strike Chelsea with honor, dignity and integrety and she will take a life path different than her parents. But I am not holding my breath.

Meanwhile, lets encourage them to travel together a lot(the junkier the airplane the better)..to far off lands. Maybe each will find themselves a honey they cannot live without and dissappear to Nassau and live happily ever after.....

15 posted on 06/11/2003 7:03:25 PM PDT by B.O. Plenty
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To: doug from upland
If there's a God in Heaven they'll get theirs.

I promise.

17 posted on 06/11/2003 7:07:55 PM PDT by Bullish
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To: doug from upland
Excellent analysis, Doug. I recall a course that I had in college titled "Psuedoscience and the Occult". With several case studies, it made clear that people who have invested very heavily into a certain belief structure have a very hard time admitting that they are wrong. They just have too much ego and psyche invested in that view of the universe. To admit they are wrong, they must admit that they have been wrong about their whole lives. It is way too painful for them, and most would rather do anything, even die, than admit that they spent much of their life persueing a lie.

Of course, the real world eventually intervenes. Put enough falsehoods into peoples heads and they make worse and worse decisions and they get further and further from reality until something catastrophic happens. It looks like that may be happening with the Democratic Party.

18 posted on 06/11/2003 7:09:57 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: doug from upland
They would rather be dishonest with themselves than admit that the right wing has been telling the truth all along.

I have a very liberal sister who fits into this category. She will never admit she was wrong. (She's a college graduate and thinks that since she has a bunch of letters after her name . . . . and I don't . . . . that she is so much smarter than little ol' me who relies on common sense. LOL

az

19 posted on 06/11/2003 7:13:05 PM PDT by Arizona
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To: doug from upland
Matthew 10:26 Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known.
20 posted on 06/11/2003 7:17:40 PM PDT by Russell Scott (Jesus will soon appear in persons.)
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To: doug from upland
Good analysis.
21 posted on 06/11/2003 7:21:10 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: doug from upland
Doug:

Is it true that the records of the movements of the (Slick) Attorney General for that day are sealed?
22 posted on 06/11/2003 7:21:46 PM PDT by JohnnyP
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To: JohnnyP
He has been asked to prove he was not in the city or hotel that day and has not provided any evidence.
23 posted on 06/11/2003 7:25:49 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: doug from upland
As intelligent as leftist think they are, you'd think they'd question how great must their ideals be if they depend on deception?
24 posted on 06/11/2003 7:26:26 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: P.O.E.
s/b "leftists"
25 posted on 06/11/2003 7:27:40 PM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: Alissa
"The years to present the Catholic priest abuse should not matter any more than Juanita's!"

Good point. But the Dims and the libs will ugnore your apt comparison and twist it to their own end. God, they are shameless.
26 posted on 06/11/2003 7:34:07 PM PDT by ought-six
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To: doug from upland
Everything they believed in about Bill and Hillary will have been shown to be a lie.

Juanita shook hands with Hillary while being thanked for keeping quiet about the rape.

The Beast won't get away with it...

27 posted on 06/11/2003 7:36:23 PM PDT by Libloather (Proud member of the Vast Right Wing Fatwa...)
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To: Agape
When she first came forward she risked ridicule, IRS audit, ruination of a business dependent on government contracts, and Arkancide.

You are naive if you doubt the power of Hillary.

I didn't say the others accused her of rape. They made statements about criminal activity. To believe Clinton means that all of them are liars in the stories they have told.

Also, it's not fair to say that if we think Juanita is a liar, we think Gennifer, Linda Tripp, etc. etc. are all liars too. To my knowledge, they did not accuse Clinton of rape. It would be like saying, well, there are a lot of people who can attest to George W. being a wild drunk in his college days. If you don't believe my story that he killed my grandma in a drunk hit and run accident, then you must think all those other people to be liars. --- All I can say about this is that I am baffled by the twisted logic. And you said my ideas don't gel? Are you kidding me?

28 posted on 06/11/2003 7:37:19 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: aristeides
Not with these people, aristeides, not with these people.

There is not a clinton worshipper in the world that would not consider it the ultimate privilege to die for his/her master/ mistress.

In short, the clintons own and possess these people, body and soul.
29 posted on 06/11/2003 7:37:41 PM PDT by sport
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To: Agape
The Clintons are still very dangerous, and have very powerfull friends. Hillary IS a senator. So it did take a lot of courage for Juanita to go public, especially after all these years
30 posted on 06/11/2003 7:42:41 PM PDT by FenderMan
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To: doug from upland
Doug-

You've stated in previous posts that you are and have been searching for an Eileen Wellstone that was involved with Billary while at Oxford. What can we do to help? Is she a British citizen? Do you have a picture or any additional info that you can share that might help our European Freepers in locating her?

Just some random thoughts.
31 posted on 06/11/2003 8:02:35 PM PDT by Mean Daddy
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To: Agape
Agape --

1 -- Are you aware that her testimony (Jane Doe #4) -- AND -- the sworn affidavits of 5 people she told about the rape **at the time of the rape** are part of the impeachment documents. This was not used since it wasn't pertinent to the charges and the statute of limitations had already run out long before then so he was not chargeable.

2 -- Political power aside, if it was a bold face lie....think libel suit.
She said -- under oath and (now) on TV: "Bill Clinton raped me". Wouldn't you think Clinton would fight it if it was such a lie???

3 -- With Clinton being the top law enforcement officer (Attorney General) in Arkansas and nothing like DNA tests (DNA on the "Blue Dress" is THE thing that got him) at the time to provide evidence with no witnesses -- it would have been "he said, she said".

Read up on the facts about rape victims...FEW report being raped!! The reasons are many: shame, fear, guilt, etc., etc....with just "regular guys" as their rapists.

What was SHE facing if she came forward then and in Bill Clinton's state???

JB
32 posted on 06/11/2003 8:05:12 PM PDT by Jackson Brown
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To: Jackson Brown
Welcome. For only having been here three months, that's a great post.
33 posted on 06/11/2003 8:16:10 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: Mean Daddy
Doug Thompson of CAPITOL HILL BLUE did the research to find Eileen Wellstone who will not speak publicly. According to Thompson, he talked to a man who worked for the State Department at the time to give corroboration to the story that Clinton was kicked out of Oxford and the country. Rape charges were not pursued because of the embarassment it would have caused for the university. Imagine, a Rhodes Scholar rapist.

I would love any of our English FReepers to see if they can gather info about what happened at Oxford. Someone is still alive who remembers what happened. If only a tabloid would give Wellstone a hundred grand to tell her story. Clinton was a sexual predator then, a sexual predator while attorney general, a sexual predator as president, and probably still a sexual predator.

34 posted on 06/11/2003 8:20:30 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: doug from upland
But other than that, they are really nice people. :-)
35 posted on 06/11/2003 8:29:15 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: P.O.E.
As intelligent as leftist think they are, you'd think they'd question how great must their ideals be if they depend on deception?

The end justifies the means. Lying is OK if it advances the goals of the Party.

36 posted on 06/11/2003 8:37:20 PM PDT by Rocky
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To: doug from upland; Agape
I understand Agape's point, doug. Not all of the Clinton misdeeds you list rise to the level of rape. They are not offenses of the same type.

However, there are several offenses that do point to Clinton's proclivity not just to have sex, but to have rough, coercive, abusive sex. Including some of the Monica stories, the Kathleen Willey story, the Paula Jones story, and two other women whose stories we haven't heard first-hand because they are STILL afraid of the Clintons. (One of these is the Oxford student Eileen Wellstone, the other is a DC area lawyer whose name has not come out at all.) Furthermore, in all of these cases, the power of the state was brought to bear against these women, to intimidate them into remaining silent. (Willey's story is especially chilling.) All have had AT LEAST audits by the IRS as punishment for their blabbing!

I might agree that Clinton's financial frauds don't give credence to a charge of rape. But surely these related stories do. For him (and Hillary) to be telling the truth, many, MANY people would have to be lying. People whose credibility is much higher than Clinton's. (See the late great Michael Kelley's classic column "I Believe" for a good rundown of all these 'liars.')

I feel dragged through the mud -- again -- listening to and thinking about these stories about a President of the USA. The idea that he is a rapist is deeply disgusting. It is not pleasant or exciting to me. It is sad and sorry. But I am convinced it is true.

Doug, thanks for your support of Juanita and your doggedness in getting this out. Tell Sean Hannity that scheduling the Juanita interview opposite to Hillary's on Larry King was a stroke of genius! I bet we have to go through this again in 2-4-6-8 years...
37 posted on 06/11/2003 8:45:23 PM PDT by Jerez2
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To: Jerez2
I cited different examples to show that the Clintons are not one-dimensional. They lie about everything. Everything.
38 posted on 06/11/2003 8:49:58 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: B.O. Plenty
Meanwhile, lets encourage them to travel together a lot(the junkier the airplane the better)..to far off lands. Maybe each will find themselves a honey they cannot live without and dissappear to Nassau and live happily ever after.....

,,, what has Nassau done to deserve that curse?


39 posted on 06/11/2003 8:51:51 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: doug from upland
,,, in the interim, trial by media?
40 posted on 06/11/2003 8:58:45 PM PDT by shaggy eel
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To: aristeides
Some people want to know the truth, and some people have a set of "beliefs" that they want to continue to believe in no matter what. The second group have to wear a mind-filter to block out anything which disagrees with their avowed belief system.
I come from an ULTRA liberal family and I have heard them in action. As Michael Savage says, liberalism is a mental illness.
41 posted on 06/11/2003 9:12:03 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Agape
The grandma hit by the drunk holds water.
43 posted on 06/11/2003 9:39:39 PM PDT by doug from upland (Martha is indicted and the Clintons still walk free.........what a country)
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To: doug from upland
Rapist remain rapist until they are jailed or die. They are like child molesters, they can not stop. It is not about sex it is about POWER. That is why they rape, it is POWER over women
44 posted on 06/11/2003 9:44:32 PM PDT by cpdiii (RPH & oil field trash and proud of it)
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To: doug from upland
It is very difficult for a human being to admit he has been a sucker. They must keep lying to themselves and attack those of us who have tried to bring forward the truth about the Clintons for several years.

I've been feeling a little let down by President Bush lately because of some of his handling on certain matters--especially on Israel as of late. I can't imagine what it would be like to admit that the guy I voted for and supported turned out to be a rapist. Back to Juanita's story specifically. I believed her after seeing her demeanor and hearing her story during the NBC interview and I believe her now. I believe Kathleen Willey and I believe Paula Jones. We had one sick, sick couple in the Whitehouse for 8 years and it's a very scary thought that the devil's spawn may have a very good shot at it in 2008.

45 posted on 06/11/2003 9:50:17 PM PDT by beaversmom (Celebrating May 5th and all days with an American Flag)
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To: TomGuy
Devoted followers who will do and say anything for their "leader"
46 posted on 06/11/2003 9:52:43 PM PDT by nuconvert
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To: Jerez2
Tell Sean Hannity that scheduling the Juanita interview opposite to Hillary's on Larry King was a stroke of genius!

I agree--I take back some of the mean things I've said about Sean.

47 posted on 06/11/2003 9:55:20 PM PDT by beaversmom (Celebrating May 5th and all days with an American Flag)
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To: doug from upland
You would think an English tabloid (mainstream paper over there) would have hunted her down by now. However, if she got dough to tell her story wouldn't that make her less credible? I wish she would just come out and tell it like Juanita did.
48 posted on 06/11/2003 9:59:29 PM PDT by beaversmom (Celebrating May 5th and all days with an American Flag)
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To: Agape
I don't think she's risking much coming out with her story now

The clintons are as mean as badgers on meth and keep lists, just so they don't forget some slight.

As Web said, "I will just have to roll over once more".

49 posted on 06/11/2003 10:03:39 PM PDT by razorback-bert (White Devils for Al-Sharpton 2004... Texas Chapter)
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To: B.O. Plenty
It is scary to think about--Bill will probably live to be 105! I, too, have wished for them to go up in a rickety old plane but my scenario also included an icestorm. However, if they did meet an untimely demise, we'd have to hear the media boo hoo about them for the next 105 years. I don't know which would be worse--alive and dealing with their evilness on a daily basis or dead and dealing with their martyrdom on a daily basis.
50 posted on 06/11/2003 10:06:34 PM PDT by beaversmom (Celebrating May 5th and all days with an American Flag)
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