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Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria
Our Jerusalem ^ | June 10, 2003 | Morton A. Klein - Zionist Organization of America

Posted on 06/12/2003 9:41:05 AM PDT by yonif

By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza.

Bush's Road Map requires Israel to take a series of actions against Jewish resident and buildings in the territories; the Road Map does not contain any restrictions on Arab construction, even though the Arabs in those areas are building at ten times the rate of the Jews. According to the Road Map, Israel must dismantle security "outposts" near existing communities; halt all construction, even that which is needed for the natural growth of the Jewish communities; and it strongly implies that Israel must soon begin expelling Jews from Judea-Samaria-Gaza and bulldozing down their homes.

The Israeli government's policy with regard to the Jewish communities in the territories seems to be based in part on its erroneous assumption that most Americans agree with the Bush administration's position on this issue. But a new poll has found that the vast majority of Americans disagree with this Bush proposal. The poll, carried out by John McLaughlin & Associates, surveyed a scientific sample of 1,000 American adults on May 21, 2003. It found:

* By 61% to 13%, Americans Say Jewish Construction in Territories Should be Permitted: Asked if both Jews and Arabs should be allowed to build in the territories, as they do now, or if Jews should be prevented from building there (as the Road Map proposes), 61.5% said both Jews and Arabs should be allowed to build; only 13.5% said that only Arabs should be allowed.

* By 63% to 9%, Americans Say Jews Should Be Allowed to Live in Territories: Asked if both Jews and Arabs should be allowed to live in the territories, as they do now, or if only Arabs should be allowed to live there, 63.3% said both Jews and Arabs should be allowed; only 9% said that only Arabs should be allowed.

Americans understand it is unfair and illogical to say that 200,000 Jews should not be allowed to live among 2.5-million Palestinian Arabs, while over 1 million Arabs are living among 5 million Jews in Israel.

* Only 10% Say "Settlements" Are Main Obstacle to Peace: The Arabs, the State Department, and many media commentators often claim that the Jewish communities in the territories are the main obstacle to Arab-Israeli peace. The American public disagrees. The poll asked what is the "main obstacle to peace between Israel and the Palestinian Arabs," and gave four choices: the ongoing Arab violence; Palestinian Arab non-recognition of Israel; Israel's anti-terror tactics; and the existence of Jewish communities in the territories. Only 10% blamed the Jewish communities as the main obstacle to peace.

* 64% Oppose Expelling Jews from the Territories: Asked if Jewish residents of the territories should be expelled (as the Palestinian Authority demands and the Road Map strongly implies), 64.1% said they "disagree" or "strongly disagree" with expulsion. Only 16.5% "somewhat agree" or "strongly agree" with the idea of expelling them.

* Almost 2-1 Say Jews Have Strongest Historical Claim to Land: Asked whether the Jews or the Arabs have "the strongest historical claim" to Judea-Samaria and Gaza, 31.1% said the Jews; only 18.8% said the Arabs (the remainder were undecided or declined to answer). No surprise there. After all, any American can open the Bible and see that the Jewish connection to Judea- Samaria-Gaza goes back 3,000 years--long before there were any Arabs in the Land of Israel. Indeed, the very word "Jew" is derived from the term "Judea."

The Bush administration's Road Map restrictions on Jewish residents of Judea-Samaria-Gaza are clearly at odds with the views of most Americans. The vast majority of Americans understand that preventing Jews from building or living in those areas, while permitting Arabs to build and live there, is ethnic discrimination. That is both morally outrageous and contrary to basic American principles.

And the Israeli government should understand that there is strong and widespread American public support for the right of Jews to live and build in Judea, Samaria and Gaza. A firm Israeli position on this issue will find substantial support among Americans.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: israel; jerusalem; jews; judea; live; rights; smaria; waronterrorism; yesha

1 posted on 06/12/2003 9:41:07 AM PDT by yonif
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; adam_az; LarryM; American in Israel; ReligionofMassDestruction; ...
Ping.
2 posted on 06/12/2003 9:41:41 AM PDT by yonif
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To: yonif
As someone pointed out on an earlier thread, the criminalizing of settlements under the Road Map makes Judaea and Samaria the only places on earth where Jews are forbidden to live by law.
3 posted on 06/12/2003 9:44:53 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
As someone pointed out on an earlier thread, the criminalizing of settlements under the Road Map makes Judaea and Samaria the only places on earth where Jews are forbidden to live by law.

Not true, they are also forbidden by law to live in Saudi Arabia, and all non-Moslems are prohibited from Mecca and Medina.
4 posted on 06/12/2003 9:52:50 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: wideawake
That's not true.

They are forbidden to live in Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries.

Think about it, the United States of America is friendly to countries were Jews are not allowed to live.

Substitute Christians, Blacks, Japanese, people with disabilities, transgender people, anything, and see if the result would be the same.
5 posted on 06/12/2003 9:54:47 AM PDT by Courier (We ask Israel to sacrifice to suicide, because the love us. The Saudis are our friends, because they)
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To: adam_az
I believe they are allowed to temporarily reside but not externally manifest their religion in Saudi Arabia. No non-Moslem is officially permitted to be a citizen or permanent resident of Saudi Arabia. So the prohibition applies generally to all non-Moslems and is not specific to Jews.

To be more specific: the only place on earth which will by law exclude Jews and no other group from residence is the "Palestinian" state of Judaea and Samaria.

6 posted on 06/12/2003 9:56:47 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: Courier
They are forbidden to live in Saudi Arabia and some other Arab countries.

I don't know about others besides Saudi Arabia, but the Saudis extend this ban to all unbelievers - not just Jews specifically. Try being a Baha'i in Saudi Arabia.

7 posted on 06/12/2003 9:58:55 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
And they are "our friends"
8 posted on 06/12/2003 10:00:25 AM PDT by Courier (We ask Israel to sacrifice, because the love us. The Saudis are our friends, because they hate us.)
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To: wideawake
I don't think there is a single Jew living in Jordan, the really friendly Arab country.
9 posted on 06/12/2003 10:02:09 AM PDT by Courier (We ask Israel to sacrifice, because they love us. The Saudis are our friends, but they hate us.)
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To: Courier
If I were Jewish I wouldn't want to live in Jordan either.

That doesn't mean that the government of Jordan forbids them to reside there.

10 posted on 06/12/2003 10:05:34 AM PDT by wideawake (Support our troops and their Commander-in-Chief)
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To: wideawake
Even the Taliban tolerated Jews living in Kabul. Both of them...

Kabul's Last Two Jews

11 posted on 06/12/2003 10:31:04 AM PDT by mitchbert (Facts are Stubborn Things)
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To: yonif
Most Americans Support Right of Jews to Live and Build in Judea-Samaria

Simply put, "most Americans" don't give a rat's ass, and most don't have enough information to make a decision anyway.

12 posted on 06/12/2003 10:33:50 AM PDT by Mr. Bird
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To: Mr. Bird
From the full article:

I would like to know more about the modality used in conducting this poll. The article doesn't even tell us WHERE the poll was conducted.

13 posted on 06/12/2003 10:49:56 AM PDT by justshe (If it ain't baroque, don't phiques it.)
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To: justshe
"WHERE the poll was conducted."

Perhaps at ZOA headquarters?
I've seen Leno do his "walks".
It's laughable to think that "most Americans", who geographically don't no $hit from Shinola, have any opinion on "Judea-Samaria," even if given the clue that it is not the name of a new heavy metal band.
14 posted on 06/12/2003 11:30:37 AM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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What are the legal issues here? Who owns the land that the settlements are on? The state of Israel? An individual or group, Arab or Israeli? If anyone can answer these for me, please help me out.

Do settlers pay property tax and to whom?

What about services, I assume they have septic tanks and well water, but what about electricity, telephone, trash, etc...Do they pay any other municipal taxes for these?

15 posted on 06/12/2003 11:32:53 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: yonif
When the terrorist south of the border and in our Universities
Come for Aztlan
And the UN backs up the idea
what will they do.....
I know what Hillary will do.....
16 posted on 06/12/2003 11:34:49 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: conserv13
Good questions! Also, what are the proposals for Israelis living on possibly eventual Palestinian land? Will they be forced to leave? If so, how is that justified? Will they be considered resident aliens?
17 posted on 06/12/2003 11:54:11 AM PDT by ellery
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To: Aaron0617
Israel must dismantle security "outposts" near existing communities; halt all construction, even that which is needed for the natural growth of the Jewish communities

Into whose land? What land are you 'growing' into?

18 posted on 06/12/2003 12:11:40 PM PDT by Aaron0617
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To: John Beresford Tipton
My favorite:

Leno: What's 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue?

Dimwit: The Gettysburg Address?

19 posted on 06/12/2003 12:32:34 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: yonif
Just remember: kicking muslim Arabs out of Israel = evil human rights violation. Kicking Jews out of Israel = getting the Jews out of the way so they won't antagonize the Arabs with their existence.
20 posted on 06/12/2003 12:36:01 PM PDT by Cinnamon Girl
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To: John Beresford Tipton
Excellent point!

Too many accept things at "face value" without ever questioning that which is being served up as 'news'.
21 posted on 06/12/2003 12:38:26 PM PDT by justshe (If it ain't baroque, don't phiques it.)
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To: Howlin
Quit crackin' jokes!

You have no scruples. Is that because you were vaccinated?

22 posted on 06/12/2003 9:07:54 PM PDT by Phil V. (back to DOS 3.2)
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To: wideawake
Try being a Baha'i in Saudi Arabia.

Or Iran where it orginated. The Baha'i I've met here in the US refer to themselves as Persian. A very interesting religion.
23 posted on 06/12/2003 9:12:10 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: Aaron0617
Into whose land? What land are you 'growing' into?

Jews have been buying land, at extortion prices from absentee Arab landlords since the late 1890's.

Of course there was no one to help enforce the purchase for the Jews once they cultivated the land and beduin(sp) tribesmen came to kill and plunder.

Did you know that President Grant discussed helping Jews resettle the Palestinian region?
24 posted on 06/12/2003 11:07:50 PM PDT by BabsC
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; bigheadfred; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Note: this topic is from June 12, 2003.
By a margin of nearly five to one, Americans oppose the Bush administration's demand to halt all further Jewish construction in Judea-Samaria (the West Bank) and Gaza. Bush's Road Map requires Israel to take a series of actions against Jewish resident and buildings in the territories; the Road Map does not contain any restrictions on Arab construction, even though the Arabs in those areas are building at ten times the rate of the Jews. According to the Road Map, Israel must dismantle security "outposts" near existing communities; halt all construction, even that which is needed for the natural growth of the Jewish communities; and it strongly implies that Israel must soon begin expelling Jews from Judea-Samaria-Gaza and bulldozing down their homes.

25 posted on 05/11/2010 7:11:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv ("Fools learn from experience. I prefer to learn from the experience of others." -- Otto von Bismarck)
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