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Is Free Republic too "Republican?"
Jim Robinson

Posted on 06/13/2003 1:55:59 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

Is Free Republic too "Republican?" I've been receiving a lot of complaints lately that FR is not really conservative, it's Republican. Is that a bad thing?

When I started FR (see the wayback machine) I don't think I even used the labels conservative or Republican. But, even though I was a registered Democrat at the time (I registered when I was very young), I was definitely anti-Democrat. And definitely anti-big government, anti-government corruption, anti-government abuse, anti-liberalism, etc. And I still am.

As FR became more and more popular, people started referring to it as a "conservative" web site and so eventually I posted the label to the front page. If it no longer applies, big deal. What's in a label? I'll change it to "Republican" if demand warrants.

I'm still anti-big government, anti-government corruption, anti-Democrat and anti-liberalism. I just happen to believe that in the current political environment we stand a better chance of defeating the left (liberalism/socialism/marxism, etc) by using the Republican Party to defeat the Democrats. The organization is there. The platform is there. The winning candidates are there. The dollars to run winning campaigns are there. The momentum is there. And the vast majority of the conservative voters are there.

Makes perfect sense to me. I want to defeat the left, and I want to do it as quickly as possible. I'll go with the organization that can get the job done.

My current goal is to defeat liberalism by defeating the Democrat Party. If that labels me a Republican, then so be it. If the vast majority of the FReepers want it so, then Free Republic will officially become the newest "Republican wing" of the Republican Party.

Long live Republicanism. Long live the Republic!'

What say you, FReepers?


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1 posted on 06/13/2003 1:56:00 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson
If the vast majority of the FReepers want it so, then Free Republic will officially become the newest "Republican wing" of the Republican Party.

I vote nay.

2 posted on 06/13/2003 1:59:33 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: Jim Robinson
"Is FREEREPUBLIC Too 'Republican'?"

No. I am a Christian, conservative, a registered voter and not a Republican and I post away quite freely, thanks to you, Mr. Robinson.
3 posted on 06/13/2003 2:00:05 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jim Robinson
Free Republic should stay independent of political parties. There should definitely not be an official Republican affiliation. (And I say this as someone who's more Republican than conservative.)

If we get too drawn into "beating the Democrats at all costs," what are we propping up? We have to keep the Republicans honest.

4 posted on 06/13/2003 2:04:12 AM PDT by xm177e2 (Stalinists, Maoists, Ba'athists, Pacifists: Why are they always on the same side?)
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To: xm177e2
Free Republic should stay independent of political parties. There should definitely not be an official Republican affiliation. (And I say this as someone who's more Republican than conservative.) If we get too drawn into "beating the Democrats at all costs," what are we propping up? We have to keep the Republicans honest.

I agree. Independence is a strength.

5 posted on 06/13/2003 2:07:11 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: Jim Robinson
I want to defeat the left, and I want to do it as quickly as possible.

Now that is beautiful poetry.

6 posted on 06/13/2003 2:07:22 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: Jim Robinson
I am surely Republican but I enjoy reading posts of other views too - (as long as I can stand it).

I am middle of the road on this.

I agree - nothing will beat the Democrats except the Republican Party. And, as dangerous as the democrats are - we have to beat them.

So we become a little more liberal - so what? We can also become more conservative too as time goes bye.
7 posted on 06/13/2003 2:08:18 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Jim Robinson
No....

The libs have - over the years - spun the termonology. They have succeeed in correlating right wing [conservative, Republican] with the NRA, pro-life, anti-labor, anti-popular government programs (social security, education) and the Nazis.

Put me in the column of freedom. Free people, free markets, free press, small government, and republican rule (small "r").

8 posted on 06/13/2003 2:08:25 AM PDT by The Raven (President Hillary? Do you know your State's Secession Plans?)
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To: Jim Robinson
Long live Republicanism. Long live the Republic!'

Amen. Well said, Jim.

9 posted on 06/13/2003 2:08:39 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: xm177e2
Well, I want to defeat liberalism, and not only defeat it, but drive a stake through it's cold, dead heart. I could care less what label they put on me or what tools I use to get the job done. Right now the Republican Party appears to be the only party that can do it. I won't officially change the label on FR unless the vast majority of FReepers want it done, but I'd like to see the whining stop. I announced way back after the 2000 primaries my intentions. Three years and many successes later, we still have some people objecting. If they don't want to be part of the team that knocks out the Democrats, then they should either leave, or at least knock off the crying about it.
10 posted on 06/13/2003 2:11:32 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (FReepers are the GReatest!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Okay, I am in the minority here, but Republicans are the only ones who can defeat the democrats, and I think we all know that, even those who prefer a third party.
The liberal left is the enemy, and we need to use the best weapon against them.
11 posted on 06/13/2003 2:12:32 AM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Jim Robinson
Keep the "independent" label - and the Republican spirit.
12 posted on 06/13/2003 2:13:12 AM PDT by HAL9000
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To: Jim Robinson
If the vast majority of the FReepers want it so, then Free Republic will officially become the newest "Republican wing" of the Republican Party.

Nay.

13 posted on 06/13/2003 2:13:25 AM PDT by lowbridge (if he hath no sword, let him sell his cloak ,and buy one --Jesus Christ, per Luke 22: 35-36)
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To: Jim Robinson
I vote "no". As FR gains in numbers and power it will be too easy, for those on the left, to attempt to discount & discredit us by saying Free Republic is nothing more than the postings of Republican talking points.
And there is always the fear that anyone critical of the GOP not only would be hesitant to post, but could be flamed for posting their thoughts.
Grandpa always said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it">
14 posted on 06/13/2003 2:18:14 AM PDT by PaulJ
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To: Jim Robinson
Don't fix want aint broke... tell the whiners to get a life.
15 posted on 06/13/2003 2:21:51 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: Jim Robinson
I vote No. I'm quite new to the site, but....

I'd rather fight against wrong issues than a wrong political party. Some issues are clearly "liberal" or "conservative" and there is no middle ground. Whereas the "right" solution for other issues may be somewhere in the middle. But if everyone focuses on "partisan" politics, then there is no attempt to find the RIGHT (proper) solution for each separate issue.

Partisanship causes attitudes of: "I don't care what is right for this issue, as long as it's the opposite of what the Democrats want." That would make us no better than them. We should be capable of critical thinking, and of separating politics from issues. Otherwise, we'd be equally as guilty of stupid-logic and stupid-thinking as "they" are.

So I vote No to assigning "Republican" to the website name/charter.

16 posted on 06/13/2003 2:25:27 AM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: sit-rep
Bump to Post No. 15
17 posted on 06/13/2003 2:29:03 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Jim Robinson
Nay
18 posted on 06/13/2003 2:31:54 AM PDT by chasio649
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To: Jim Robinson
Can we do a poll thingy that would only take one vote per Freeper? So it won't get Freeped.
19 posted on 06/13/2003 2:32:38 AM PDT by oceanperch (Airbrush Hillary out of Politics.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Jim, one of the biggest benefits I've gotten out of FR has been exposure to all the threads wherein the viability of the GOP as a vehicle for conservatism and small government is debated. One side will point to the constant growth of government even under GOP control, the horrible, unconstitutional bills passed and signed by GOP congresses and Presidents, the RINOs who have hijacked the party and moved it to the left, and how our side constantly compromises. They tend to be Libertarians and independents. They have completely lost confidence in the Republican party as a vehicle for conservatism and the constitution.

The other side will cite incrementalism as the way to go. They offer that unconstitutional socialism was put in place slowly, and that, under the GOP, it will have to be eroded slowly. They say ours is a two-party system, and that the lesser of two evils, however evil they may be, is the proper option. They acknowledge its faults, but believe the GOP can be reformed, and that that is the only way.

Well, I have struggled with this debate. I've heard eloquent, reasoned arguments on both sides, and I have bounced back and forth. I supported a Libertarian for my state's governorship. But in 2002, I campaigned for a very conservative Republican running for the state legislature, the dream candidate- pro-life, pro-RKBA, pro-Constitution, pro-small government, and vehemently so. He won the primary and the general election.

Partly because of this experience, and after reflection on all my observations, I just recently registered to vote as a Republican. The GOP is chock full of faults. But rather than abandoning it, I will work from the inside to change it. I just thought this would be a good opportunity to express this, particularly since I have read your remarks on the subject before.
20 posted on 06/13/2003 2:33:39 AM PDT by ForOurFuture
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To: Jim Robinson
Well, I want to defeat liberalism, and not only defeat it, but drive a stake through it's cold, dead heart. I could care less what label they put on me or what tools I use to get the job done. Right now the Republican Party appears to be the only party that can do it.

Aw c'mon, Jim, haven't you seen the exponential increase in the Libertarian vote? It's risen at least 200% over the past election cycle...from .5% to 1%.

All kidding aside, I'm with you as a member of the 'glass is half-full' set. Would I like to see the Pubbies in the Senate get some real cojones? You bet!

However, there is legislation that has passed that would have never taken place had algore won in 2000, such as banning partial birth abortion, and significant reductions in income tax rates.

At the risk of being called a Bushie, I shudder to think what a Gore administration would be like.

Retaining the 'Republican' moniker makes us more effective, IMHO. We worked hard to get Dubya and other Republicans elected, and the vast majority of Freepers are registered Republicans. Dropping that label, rightly or wrongly, would leave us on the fringes of the extreme right, just as the DUers are on the fringes of the extreme left. I've been posting here too long to know that we are more mainstream than that.

Thanks for the early wake-up, Jim.

21 posted on 06/13/2003 2:35:35 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: HAL9000
Keep the "independent" label - and the Republican spirit.

I'll go with that.

Even though I switched registration from Independent to Republican in 2000.

22 posted on 06/13/2003 2:36:39 AM PDT by metesky (Argumentum ad ignorantiam)
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To: Jim Robinson
No matter what changes you make to FR, be it in title, vision statement or mission...there will always be a group who are not going to be happy.

FR has enough of a history to show that there are people out there and in here who for whatever envy they hold will pick and peck at the slightest thing they see that falls outside of their agenda.

Don't make FR like this bumper sticker I have seen:

GOVERNMENT: IF IT AIN'T BROKEN, FIX IT TILL IT IS.
23 posted on 06/13/2003 2:37:02 AM PDT by Neets ("Living History" by Hillary Thunderthighs..it's like Deja Vu ALL over again!)
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To: Jim Robinson
FR represents a spectrum of conservatism. And I think it pretty closely reflects the size of various factions.

A great many are Republicans, as the majority of conservatives have tended to be for some time.

Their representation would decrease with a less popular Republican president.
24 posted on 06/13/2003 2:39:24 AM PDT by D-fendr
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To: ForOurFuture
Darn! Why couldn't you have posted your response 15 minutes earlier? Then all I would have had to do is post 'Dittos & a Bump' instead of my meandering screed!

Ergo...dittos...and a Bump! Nice job!

25 posted on 06/13/2003 2:40:19 AM PDT by Night Hides Not
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To: Jim Robinson
Unbelievable. When will you make Republican party membership mandatory to post on the forum?
26 posted on 06/13/2003 2:42:18 AM PDT by Godebert
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To: Jim Robinson
It's great the way it is. Conservatism encompasses a wide range of different beleifs. All of them are well represented here. The whining that you are hearing is certain inviduals who simply don't like it when people disagree with them. There are certain people, who, say, want to put all homosexuals in jail. They just can't believe that others here are allowed to disagee with them.

The point though is that its not so much the individual positions, rather its the character of the people complaining that is the issue. If the issue was what the best flavor of ice cream is, they would want everyone to agree with them.

In addition, most of these people seek out those who disagree with them, not vice versa. Although I voted for W and generally like him, I am one of those who can't stand the "Day in the life" love-in's. Therefore, I don't click on them. Problem solved. Although I have strong views on the WOD and the civil war, I don't post on those threads as dong so is a useless exercize. Do I complain that the other side ought to be kicked off of Free Republic? No, I just avoid those threads.

Everything is great just the way it is. Conservatism has long encompassed people of significantly different outlooks, from Pat Buchanan to PJ O'Rourke. Don't let a few compaliners force any unneccessary changes around here.
27 posted on 06/13/2003 2:42:42 AM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm Republican and proud, but let's keep FR independent. As much as I love my party, they need a good whack in the head when they stray.
28 posted on 06/13/2003 2:44:38 AM PDT by GodBlessRonaldReagan (where is Count Petofi when we need him most?)
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To: Jim Robinson
The Republican Party only exists in the United States. If this site appealed only to "Republican" ideals, then you would have no interest from anyone outside the US.

Clearly, the opposite is true, as there are many freepers from around the world. I suggest you have it backwards: conservatism is a state of mind, that currently happens to be best-represented by the US Republican Party. Conservatism is basically a common-sense, assume-respnosibility philosophy that occurs worldwide.

Consider, that most of the people who are members on this site all had different, independent upbringings, educations, cultures, and even religions - and yet - they still all came to the same common conclusions (conservatism)! That's really amazing! That's true human equality!!
29 posted on 06/13/2003 2:47:17 AM PDT by canuck_conservative
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To: Jim Robinson
I would stay with the "Conservative" line of thinking.

I see little these days to support the thought that Republicans are the true "Conservatives" we need them to be. Both parties seem to be addicted to the "Big Government" mentality and they have done little, despite being the majority party in every branch of government, to forward the conservative agenda. I don't care what Tom Daschole or Hitlery does, the Republican party is a let-down when it comes to promoting conservatism.

I'd rather not be too closely affiliated with dissappointment.

30 posted on 06/13/2003 2:47:34 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Democrats.. Socialists..Commies..Traitors...Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Jim Robinson
You don't have to be a Republican to like President Bush and you don't have to be a Democrat to question some of the administration's gaffes. That said, I have been a liberal all these years because long ago the country club set wouldn't let labor into the club. Now, anyone with money is in the club, and that is how we ended up with Clinton.

Elimination of corruption should be more than bi-partisan, it should be universal and no politician is immune from greed.

If Libertarians, Republicans, Democrats, Liberals and Conservatives would truly support term limits and making Congress a citizen friendly environment and get the damned lawyers out it wouldn't matter what anyone calls themselves.

For what it's worth, Republicans still make me itch, Libertarians make me think, Conservatives scare me and Democrats embarass me and being a liberal Democrat is just not fun anymore.

31 posted on 06/13/2003 2:49:51 AM PDT by harrowup
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To: Jim Robinson
As "conservatives," I believe we discuss ideas. As "Republicans", I believe we discuss strategies.

As "conservatives" we can admire some of Zell Miller's ideas. As "Republicans," we support Olympia Snowe.

I say we are conservatives first and foremost, and as conservatives, we lean hard toward the GOP as the vehicle for change. If a better vehicle comes along, we recalibrate.

Just one guy's opinion.
32 posted on 06/13/2003 2:52:19 AM PDT by TN4Liberty
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To: Jim Robinson
I want to defeat the left, and I want to do it as quickly as possible.

If your looking for labels, it seems that "anti-liberal" fits your mission best.

33 posted on 06/13/2003 2:53:13 AM PDT by Jeff Gordon
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To: ForOurFuture; Jim Robinson
I agree with both of you. The Republican party is the best vehicle for use in destroying the DemonRats due to many reasons. While none of us agree completely with the path of the party, that would be the case no matter how conservative the party is. There will always be those who complain, just as there will always be alternative methods to accomplish our goal of getting rid of the American left.

I used to think that educating the left on the truth would sway many of them. I've given that up. In order to completely marginalize the left, we have to get as many voters as possible to vote Republican. Most of America is either too busy or too stupid to understand the gravity of the Left's agenda, and by exposing the communist/socialist/authoritarian nature of our enemy many of these voters will be brought out of their stupor and join us in this cause. Votes for the Losertarians - while making a political comment - do nothing except draw votes away from the Republican candidates, helping the cause of the Left. Further, the run up to the Iraq war showed that the Losertarians are little more than the far left wing of the Democratic Party in many ways, differing only in 2nd Amendment issues and government size.

In reference to your question, Jim, I don't think that this site needs to be affiliated with anything other than Free Republic. We could nearly become our own party as far as that goes - and probably do a better job of running the nation than either party. When one of us gets out of line or goes tinfoil, there are plenty of folks to set them straight (even before the Admin Moderator), so there is a very definite mindset within the posting group. Your own polls show that to be true as well.

34 posted on 06/13/2003 2:54:54 AM PDT by 11B3 (We live in "interesting times". Indeed.)
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To: Jim Robinson
May want to refrain from claiming party allegience what with Campaign Finance Reform. Someday the courts will look at website activity for Federal Election violations (they have avoided the issue for now).

Does GWBush.com openly campaign against Candiate George W. Bush and collect money to do so? Yes.

Remember that campaign finance reform permits the media to continue commentary on the issues/candidates of the day but fundraising and advertising are limited (even for special interest groups).

You are a media commentary site (with vanity postings encouraging activism).

35 posted on 06/13/2003 2:55:50 AM PDT by weegee (NO BLOOD FOR RATINGS: CNN let human beings be tortured and killed to keep their Baghdad bureau open)
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To: Jim Robinson
Republican! I don't know. Lincoln Chaffee, Olympia Snowe and John McCain are Republicans.

I like the term Conservative. It makes me think of Ronald Reagan.
36 posted on 06/13/2003 3:03:14 AM PDT by Maurice Tift
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To: Jim Robinson
If Truth always wins out, then you are on the correct course. "Seek the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." I don't have time to research banned members. So I have no idea how many of them were banned for saying the Truth. And that powerful force, Truth, according to scripture, will be spoken throughout the entire world before the Tribulation.

I believe we are on the verge of the Truth Revolution that was predicted. Those forums which bravely face the Truth will thrive. Those forums which ban the Truth will fade away. It's that simple. Just take a look at the Leftist Media, the old, formerly-dominant media. They are crashing and burning, just as I predicted a long time ago. And we grew at their expense. It can work both ways. If any forum bans the Truth, they might help out one election cycle. But what about the long term consequences? I think we should be in for the Long Haul.

As for what you are like inside, you answered your own question:

"When I started FR (see the wayback machine) I don't think I even used the labels conservative or Republican. But, even though I was a registered Democrat at the time (I registered when I was very young), I was definitely anti-Democrat."

It is impossible to be overly loyal to the RNC after being a former democrat so recently.

Newcomers here might not remember the Bush primary. You were furious at the thought that Bush might possibly be a cocain user. With the media sending out all those loaded 'when did you beat your wife?' style questions about cocain, it's no wonder you became suspicious, pointing out how damaging it was to have 'Mr. Vacuum Cleaner Nose' in charge.

Being a recent convert, just as you are, I am always re-questioning the RNC. I'm sure you do the same thing.

I like the way Boortz handles it. He says, "Not all of us are conservatives. But we are all anti-leftists."
37 posted on 06/13/2003 3:10:22 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (LIBERTY or DEATH!)
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm a Republican and I've been a member of Free Republic for a long time (remember when it was a Whitewater link on Matt Drudge's home page?). I'd vote to leave it as is. At the polls, vote Republican...remember that Ross Perot cost us Bill Clinton.
38 posted on 06/13/2003 3:24:20 AM PDT by Jaxter ("A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend upon the support of Paul."- Shaw)
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To: DigiLinus
Don't give up. There are some here who really do enjoy honest discourse and despise the flame wars. Live and learn, right or left!
40 posted on 06/13/2003 3:28:44 AM PDT by djf
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To: ClancyJ
"So we become a little more liberal - so what? We can also become more conservative too as time goes bye"

Hmmm, In other words, you want to be "democrat lite" and engage in duplicity, lies and deceit? Is being unprincipled acceptable to you? What about integrity?

Obscene spending, entitlements, pay raises, but, only on a slightly smaller scale than dems?

Win at any costs? Be a little bit pregnant?
Are you saying that if someone has an R after their name
you will defend them even if their position is indefensible?
If you really mean what you wrote, how do you differ from the clintons, their apologists and the dems in general?

Would you really become more conservative if you achieved power? I think not Not if you start out with your premise.

Remember this truth: Organizations which are formed to protect individuals will forget their founding principles when push comes to shove, which is to say, the institution's survival becomes more important than the individuals.

I know this is not a perfect world, but, I do demand personal integrity in the people I support and I will hold them accountable for their policies.

Bottom line, either we are principled or we're not. The problem with your position is that your party would do piece meal what the dems would do in one fell swoop. I say the "piece meal" approach is much more dangerous.

Can anyonedefend this admin or either house as being conservative in view of their domestic policies since they've been in power?

You may commence your flames if you are so inclined.
41 posted on 06/13/2003 3:31:38 AM PDT by poet
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To: Jim Robinson
I'm just to the right of Godzilla and have been a registered Republican for the majority of my life; even worked on a Republican Presidential campaign. I still vote 'no', Jim. There isn't a soul on this planet that wants liberalism destroyed more than I do..........but tying the site to a particular Party would be a bad idea, IMHO. Let's keep them ALL honest. As you said, right now the Republican Party is doing well, generally doing the right things, has some good leadership, etc. Will it be that way some years from now? Will they........whoever is in power within the Party.............stomp on our Constitution?

Like you, I chose the Republican Party because they more closely reflected my beliefs. I'm actually a Constitutionalist..........but 3rd parties who espouse constitutionalism lack adequate numbers or leadership to mount viable threats. It isn't that I'm particularly ecstatic with the Republicans right now, but they sure as hell beat the alternative.

Let's keep it conservative and independent. God bless.

42 posted on 06/13/2003 3:37:36 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: Jim Robinson
I agree that I want to defeat rank liberalism and democrats in general. I also agree that with that being said, the republican party is the best vehicle for doing it. It doesn't mean that the Republican party is free from the sins that the liberals and democrats are guilty. And that's where I believe that FR is failing.....outing the wrongs that we seek to out on the liberals and democrats that seek to destroy our Republic but now seeming to protect republicans from the same scrutiny.

I am to the left of you politically, but not on the left. But I often dance very gingerly to avoid having a post pulled, a response zotted and an account suspended or terminated. There are times my voice isn't heard for fear of the aforementioned. I am not a troll, I am not a disruptor. But I can often divorce my opinion from the partisan view. I see the same groupthink here that I saw us accuse the Clinton supportors of doing. Some of that groupthink is perpetrated by the moderators. I see many articles that would be mind and value strengthing zotted because as written they support the left. But the article could have taught us the thought process of the left and how to best counter it. But we zot it for fear it may be seen as support rather than discussion. And often under the label of "well the article, post or poster is a democrat or liberal". Sad.

My posts never contain profanity, and often are not designed to provoke but rather invoke thought. Many conservatives and republicans are just as closed minded (and sometimes wrongly) as liberals and democrats.

I do believe there is a role for government, but not to the extent that it has become. As Paul Harvey says, self government without self restraint doesn't work. When self restraint doesn't come into play, then government must make rules to keep society secure from the predators working under the guise of capitalism. Attempts to regulate the buying of votes in our government has mandated us toward CFR. I don't think CFR is the answer in its present form, but when a person or group can buy a vote then we are in trouble. I've set in corporate executive offices when something that is not good for the public is being debated and the excutive gives the marching order of "you let him/her know how much we gave so if he/she wants MY continued $$ support they better vote my way'. That's wrong. The vote has attempted to have been bought. When it comes to access and sway of our elected critters, I and you should have the ability to discuss with our elected representatives our position. We should have the same access and sway as any person or group. Our reasoning should be able to convince that elected official to see our point of view, not our checkbook.

There's my soapbox. This is the best forum for political discussion. And there are times when the process has to be reined in or it will go out of control. I understand that. But the sensorship has made it seem that if it ain't pro Bush or pro republican, then it isn't worthy and could result in the ultimate zot. I sort of always thought that FR was created to route out government corruption and wrong doing at all levels, not just on the liberal side of the aisle.

43 posted on 06/13/2003 3:38:34 AM PDT by joesbucks
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To: Jim Robinson
Since Republicans are only a little bit less liberal than Democrats and without the constant pressure from the real conservatives would become Democrat clones I'd say stay independent if you want to really promote conservatism. Look at Bush. There hasn't been a spending bill or a pork bill that he hasn't signed. He endorsed the extention of the henious Feinslime semi-auto ban. These are not the marks of a true conservative. Free Republic is a definite pressure on elected officials to move back to the Constitutional ideals envisioned by the founders. If you become officially Republican this pressure goes away. Just my opinion for what it's worth.
44 posted on 06/13/2003 3:42:19 AM PDT by from occupied ga (Your government is your enemy, and Bush is no conservative)
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To: Jim Robinson; moneyrunner
If the vast majority of the FReepers want it so, then Free Republic will officially become the newest "Republican wing" of the Republican Party.

There ought to be some sort of FR Electoral College to protect against mob rule. ( ;

Jim, I'm a Vehmontah, I do what I wantah. When I first arrived here it seemed to me that FR was a Kingdom, not a Democracy. You are big-hearted man, and fair to fault, IMO. Remember what Honest Abe said about pleasing people. I understand and agree with your position that the way to restore our Free Republic politically is currently through the Republican Party. That doesn't mean we are "Republicans" however. You've written quite strongly in support of George Washington's position that party politics have sadly supplanted individual merit in elections for office in America. You have pointed out very matter of factly that winning through the two party system would not be your first choice, that it is left to you as a final choice.

I'm a mailman; that doesn't make me a "man." It's my job; it's what I do. Promoting and voting for Republicans does not make you a Republican - for your time in the voting booth it is your "job" and therefore your title, and in that sense alone does it fit. Perhaps Restorationist would fit as a better title than Republican for who you are - and for what Free Republic does. I see you as a Christian, Conservative, Constitutionalist; a contender and champion in what I call the Good Fight.

In FReeperdom you are King. Rule.

45 posted on 06/13/2003 3:45:51 AM PDT by .30Carbine (I have not flattered its rank breath, nor bowed to its idolatries a patient knee.)
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To: Jim Robinson
You won't do it.

You're barely a Republican, yourself. You're just like so many conservatives, frustrated with the snail's pace of change, and thereby naturally gravitating towards the agents of whatever change there may be. But if thirty years of liberalism is to be rolled back, the pace of change must accelerate, and it certainly won't help if those egging change on -even if they do it in a 'whining" manner- are driven from FR. This place should be a refuge, for those who are outraged, by what the Left have done to America. Outrage drives change.

46 posted on 06/13/2003 3:46:32 AM PDT by Byron_the_Aussie (http://www.theinterviewwithgod.com/popup2.html)
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To: Cindy
Nice post, Cindy.

If this board were mostly Republican, then most people would agree on almost every subject. But if anyone has been around FR in the past few days, they'd know that assumption simply isn't true. While many of us consider ourselves Republicans, many also vary wildly from various traditionally held Republican ideals and beliefs. And yes, some may be more liberal and more conservative. Since Republicanism has a conservative foundation, it's only natural that some would make the much-maligned connection between conservatism and being a Republican.

But, again, if everyone on this board believed the same things, what a boring place FR.com would be. And it certainly isn't boring, no matter how many people kick and scream their way out of here. For myself, I learn more when I read other freepers ideas, theories, etc- no matter which way they lean politically. And for those who seemingly want to label this site Republican, I highly encourage you to read more varied posts- because there are some brilliant thinkers on FR whose politically leanings are all over the map.

47 posted on 06/13/2003 3:49:53 AM PDT by rintense (Thank you to all our brave soldiers, past and present, for your faithful service to our country.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Stay independent of political parties.
Retain the Conservative label.
Give better definition to "Conservative" as:

(Government) Small government is better government;
(Life) Abortion is a crime against humanity;
(Taxes) You earned it, you spend it;
(Constitution) The Constitution is correct AS WRITTEN;
(War)Some things ARE worth fighting for;
(Politics) America first.
(State governments) See 10th Amendment.

Thanks for asking.
48 posted on 06/13/2003 3:50:33 AM PDT by NetValue (Militant Islam first swarms the states it will later dominate.)
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I was mostly liberal until I went to college and saw people scamming the gubment. Using financial aid to buy cars,etc...
49 posted on 06/13/2003 3:52:08 AM PDT by KneelBeforeZod (I was happy in the haze of a drunken hour but heaven knows I'm miserable now)
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To: ForOurFuture
Republican Vs Democrat is too general:
Although I'm registered Republican, I would vote for Democrat Zell Miller over Republican Lincoln Chaffee any day.
Sure, Republicans are more likely to be conservative, but I hate to be pigeon-holed.
50 posted on 06/13/2003 3:54:14 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is a war room".)
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