Iranian Students are reportedly holding 3 Hebollah hostage demanding release of 80 students

Interview with Iranians in Tehran | 6.13.2003 | DoctorZin

[SauronOfMordor]

don't think you're wrong. Is a secular democracy is achieved, the question will - and should - be : how long until the next revolution brings a new Ayatollah? That's another part of the reason we can't use military intervention in Iran.

Right. If the Iranians have to EARN their freedom with their own blood, they are more likely to keep it when the next batch of mullahs roll into town.

For a people to KEEP their freedom, they must have FOUGHT for it. They must be comfortable with the idea of CONTINUING to fight for it whenever new threats to their liberties appear. They must be left with the attitude that any mullah that comes around telling them how to live, needs to be attached to the nearest tree, and that they won't wait for any outside help to show up -- the first Iranian seeing the need gets to do it.

Without this ATTITUDE of liberty, which will only come from having to FIGHT for it, and seeing friends and relatives DIE for it, their liberty will melt and evaporate like a snowball in the hot Middle-Eastern sun. Bleeding for a cause will create passion -- and fighting for it will induce a willingness to "deal with" any threats to it, on an immediate and individual basis

Remember, the surrounding Islamic theocracies CANNOT tolerate a state which has repudiated Islam (which is what thowing out the mullahs MEANS), and will declare all of Iran an Apostate region -- which will put Iran HIGHER on the hit list than Israel

[LibWhacker]

This, by definition, makes the rebellion a rebellion against Islam itself.

It's a rebellion against fundamentalist rule, not against islam. Sorry, I will always view islam as a threat to civilization. As another poster is fond of saying here: "Islam is an insane murder cult and moderate islam is its Trojan Horse."

[LibWhacker]

. . . and will declare all of Iran an Apostate region -- which will put Iran HIGHER on the hit list than Israel

Yep, absolutely true, though many Sunnis already do not consider Shiites to be true muslims and vice versa. It would be sheer heaven for us if Iranians began to repudiate the whole of islam. One can only hope that after this they will see the light and do just that.

[DoctorZIn]

...That the rebellion seems a rebellion of people who are tired of rigid Islam, who are tired of living under Sharia law, and who would prefer to live more like the West? ...

Absolutely. The hypocrisy of the Islamic Regime has destroyed its credibility with the vast majority of the Iranian people.

[LibWhacker]

Interesting thread in retrospect. I'm not saying anyone of us was right, or anyone of us was wrong. It's just interesting (to me), that's all. See if you agree.