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Brownback's silence on religion speaks volumes
The Hutchinson News ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Rintoul

Posted on 06/15/2003 3:59:01 PM PDT by axel f

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To: axel f
LOL. I know nothing of Connie Morris other than she's a Nazi who wants to deprive illegal immigrant children of an education because she is scared of them. LOL.

Actually, I think we should not leave the kids at home to fend for themselves. If we are going to tolerate illegal immigration, we can't punish innocent children if for no other reason than our own selfish interests. Nothing says "criminal recruit" like a bunch of latchkey illiterates who cannot even speak the language of the land. Still, I think Morris speaks for the concerns of many Kansans -- obviously -- and she deserves to be heard. I also think we should either enforce immigration laws or change the laws. Otherwise, why should law-abiding immigrants continue to respect the law? However, I am in no way an expert on the immigration subject. I can't fight every battle.

61 posted on 06/16/2003 12:09:19 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
LOL! I am not progressive enough to know.

The term "prgressive" is becoming "pervasive"....whatever that means.
62 posted on 06/16/2003 12:29:53 PM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: AdA$tra
Progressive is what liberals call themselves as they slide us all down to a socialist's hell.
63 posted on 06/16/2003 12:36:00 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: AdA$tra
I guess that should be a conservative's hell and a socialist's heaven. Oh whatever. You get the idea.
64 posted on 06/16/2003 12:39:24 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: axel f
If Brownback were linked with the National Council of Churches, the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship, or some other leftist group, the media wouldn't bat an eye.
65 posted on 06/16/2003 12:50:49 PM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: RAT Patrol
I see both sides of this. (Rare for me.) I agree fully with what you're saying, but otoh Morris is a former public school teacher who dealt with this issue. This is why I need to read her book to understand her side.
66 posted on 06/16/2003 12:52:13 PM PDT by axel f
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To: RAT Patrol
You get the idea.

Logic can be a b!^@# some times.
67 posted on 06/16/2003 12:58:46 PM PDT by AdA$tra (Tagline maintenance in progress......)
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To: RAT Patrol
I doubt that many kids are left home alone. Mexican families take care of their children, and their elders, better than most. And it is usually the kids who learn English first, often acting as interpreters for their parents. It is easier for the kids to adjust than their parents. Some parents send their kids here with older siblings, but they are usually always looked after.

While most people out here think immigration laws should be enforced, and that schools shouldn't be in the position of having to enroll illegal children, it has little to do with denying them an education. I think a lot of people may have voted for Morris because they are tired of all the liberal crap. Not because they thought she would crack down on illegal kids in our schools.
68 posted on 06/16/2003 6:26:25 PM PDT by Steel Eye
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To: Steel Eye
I think a lot of people may have voted for Morris because they are tired of all the liberal crap. Not because they thought she would crack down on illegal kids in our schools.

That's a good point. So, what do you think about paying for their kids education? I agree that it's unfair, but I do not see an alternative if we are not going to enforce immigration laws.

69 posted on 06/16/2003 8:01:24 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: RAT Patrol
We had a young fellow work for us one summer. (I guess that makes me part of the problem.) He already had a green card by then. One day, at lunch, he was telling us about going to school in Mexico. He was at school one day when there was an eclipse of the sun. He said the teacher poked a hole in the roof so the kids could watch the sunlight, and the shadow of the moon, on the floor of the classroom. My wife asked him... "Your teacher poked a hole in the roof?" He said "Yes. It was a tin roof. Like your shed." He didn't think anything of it. He came to the US with his older brother who had a work permit. He finished school in Texas. He's got kids of his own now. And a job. He pays taxes. It really doesn't bother that he went to school in this country, even if he wasn't legal at the time.

The liberals have twisted the question around. It shouldn't be a question as to whether or not they should be allowed to attend school. It should be a question as to whether or not they should be allowed to stay in this country. If they are here illegally, then going to school shouldn't even be an option. But like you say, we are not serious about enforcing the law. I don't know if it is because we want a cheap supply of labor of if it is just politics. Probably both.
70 posted on 06/16/2003 9:28:11 PM PDT by Steel Eye
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To: rwfromkansas
"If Brownback can lose an election, pigs can fly." "There is no chance he will be defeated."

I agree 100%. No one cares if Sen Brownback is now a Catholic. He got elected as an evangelical Christian, he can get re-elected as a Catholic.

71 posted on 06/16/2003 9:41:33 PM PDT by CarolAnn
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To: axel f
A politician's religion doesn't matter. But a constituency's faith in that politician to conduct himself in the open - both privately and professionally - is critical to that politician's career and credibility.

I wonder how this reporter felt about Clintoon's conduct in private? I suspect this doesn't "wash".

72 posted on 06/17/2003 6:32:26 AM PDT by jonefab
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To: jonefab
I wondered about that too. Especially when I read the part about "Brownback's life needs to be an open book." I wonder if this author felt the same way about the Clintons during the Monica thing or if it was a private matter.
73 posted on 06/17/2003 6:57:25 AM PDT by axel f
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To: Steel Eye
Good grief. I must have been tired last night when I wrote that. According to the Hutchinson News I'm supposed to be a seething, paranoid, Nazi racist. Because I voted for Morris. I must be getting soft.

I'd better get out today and kick some poor people out of the hospital. Steal some senior citizen's social security checks. Exploit some women. Participate in some unusual religious rituals. All those things we conservative love to do.
74 posted on 06/17/2003 6:58:59 AM PDT by Steel Eye
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To: axel f
Brownback was lured to Catholicism by Opus Dei guru Father C. John McCloskey III.

Lured?

75 posted on 06/17/2003 7:14:05 AM PDT by conservonator
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To: Steel Eye
Yeah, that makes sense to me.

I am sure I would have voted for Morris as a conservative, regardless of this issue. But I agree with you that it's been framed wrong. How's a newspaper gonna scare people away from voting conservative without an issue adjustment here and there? They really have to do it ya know.

76 posted on 06/17/2003 8:11:03 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: Steel Eye
ROTFL!!!!! about post #74. Ain't it the truth!!!
77 posted on 06/17/2003 8:13:57 AM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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