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One Pulitzer That Should Shake the World (Moscow Times: New York Times hid communist crimes)
Moscow Times ^ | 6/15/03 | Matt Bivens

Posted on 06/15/2003 8:51:20 PM PDT by DPB101

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To: DPB101
I must say, it is indeed a humbling read for me. I consider myself a student of history and I had never heard of the particulars of this tragedy. God rest the millions who where sacraficed to the horrors that spawned from Marxism.
22 posted on 06/16/2003 1:21:09 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (You cannot be a victim and a hero simultaneously - Hon. Clarence Thomas)
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To: Blue Scourge
I consider myself a student of history and I had never heard of the particulars of this tragedy.

Me too.Infuriating, isn't it? Had it not been for the internet, I would never have known. My parents should ask for a refund for my college education and a rebate on the property taxes they paid for K-12. I knew something of this , of course, but never heard of Gareth Jones and wasn't aware of the details.

Many of those killed were ethnic Germans who had relatives in the midwest. There were many German language papers in the Dakotas in the 1930s which published letters from the victims. The University of South Dakota translated and compiled a book of them. Article about it is here:

Pilgrims In The Valley Of Tears

NDSU has extensive archives of local German language papers from the 1880s until the 1930s. Probably many books there for someone who knows the language.

23 posted on 06/16/2003 1:36:00 AM PDT by DPB101 ("Smearing good people like Alger Hiss and Lauchlin Currie is . . .unforgivable"---Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: DPB101
When I was a kid, we had an old "book of the month" book from the 1940', one of famous JOhn Gunther's "INSIDE....
" books.

I don't remember if it was "inside Europe" or "inside Russia. He had a chapter lauding Stalin's steel like will in reforming Russia. There was a sentence (I paraphrase) about the peasents (?kulaks or Ukrainian) opposing his farm reforms, and it said something like: they killed their animals and didn't plant much in protest, but due to his iron will, he won. The implication was that they died, but wasn't it wonderful that he won the argument. I was only a kid and horrified.

I wonder if anyone in the press would find that book and expose it's lies...
24 posted on 06/16/2003 4:34:00 AM PDT by LadyDoc
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To: DoughtyOne
The definitive history book on this is Harvest of Sorrow, by Robert Conquest. At the time (he wrote while the Evil Empire still was that) his book was dismissed by the NYT among others as an anti-Soviet fabrication.

There is a chapter that deals with Duranty in depth and notes that the Times still stands by his reporting.

After the fall of Communism and the opening of Stalin's archives, Conquest issued an updated version of the book... but his research had been so good, basically he just had more footnotes to support the same facts.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
25 posted on 06/16/2003 4:38:20 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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To: DPB101; All
Good post; Mona Charen's excellent 'Useful Idiots' details how Duranty was blackmailed using standard NKVD tactics, i.e. getting him in a sexually compromising position, (not sure with a man or a woman, lol!) then holding the resulting pictures over his head.
Also, I think (can't remember the source) that it has been shown that Henry Wallace himself was a Soviet agent...can any freeper help us out here?
The tragedy of the Ukrainian holocaust is indeed a painful reminder of the left's double standard when it comes to pain and suffering. Makes Stalin out to be the most evil man in world history, but I think we all knew that!
26 posted on 06/16/2003 4:47:56 AM PDT by notdownwidems (Shellback, pollywogs! 1980)
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To: kimosabe31
He certainly was, and too many conservatives are scared to say it, they don't want the lying liberals to tag them with McCarthyism.

Should be a banner of courage instead of tip-toeing around the edges of the sickness and evil of what communism has done to the peoples of this earth for the past 100 + years.
27 posted on 06/16/2003 5:13:35 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: DPB101
Thanks for the link, I have a bit of German heritage myself. A true tragedy and it was completely ignored...
28 posted on 06/16/2003 8:20:11 AM PDT by Blue Scourge (You cannot be a victim and a hero simultaneously - Hon. Clarence Thomas)
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To: notdownwidems
Also, I think (can't remember the source) that it has been shown that Henry Wallace himself was a Soviet agent...

Very possible but I don't believe any evidence has surfaced that Wallace was a Soviet agent. But he was the next best thing. Maybe better. His aide and speech writer, Charles Kramer, was a Soviet agent. While Vice-President, Wallace toured a Soviet slave labor camp, Kolyma, praised the sophistication of the commandant and declared the prisoners fit and healthy (he compared the camp to our TVA). Wallace's companion on that trip was Owen Lattimore--FDR confidant and Soviet agent.

When Wallace ran for President, every Soviet front in America supported him.

29 posted on 06/16/2003 8:36:33 AM PDT by DPB101 ("Smearing good people like Alger Hiss and Lauchlin Currie is . . .unforgivable"---Eleanor Roosevelt)
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To: Kuleana
Really? I thought it was the moment the South
Vietnamese decided to fight less than an all out war.


The South Vietnamese didn't have nukes, could not
mine Haiphong harbor, nor could they bomb Hanoi.
We could, but chose not to.  The worst kind of war
is one that is fought half-heartedly.

As Napoleon said,  "If you going to take Vienna,
take Vienna."  In other words, don't screw around,
or you can get your butt kicked.
30 posted on 06/16/2003 9:45:27 AM PDT by gcruse (Support home churching.)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Thank you for the comments and information. I appreciate it.
31 posted on 06/16/2003 10:51:06 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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