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GENERAL WESLEY CLARK … NOT EXACTLY A HISTORIAN (General Wesley Clark is a COMMUNIST)
Nealz Nuze ^ | 6/17/2003 | Neal Boortz

Posted on 06/17/2003 5:27:22 AM PDT by xrp

GENERAL WESLEY CLARK … NOT EXACTLY A HISTORIAN 

Retired Army General Wesley Clark has been very effective in keeping his face and opinions in the media forefront the past year or so.  There’s a reason for that. Political aspirations.  Clark is toying with the idea of announcing as a Democratic candidate for President of the United States.  Truth is, he’s after the number two spot.  Vice Presidential candidate for now, the Oval Office Later.

Clark was a guest on Tim Russert’s Meet the Press this past Sunday. The questioning turned to Clark’s political ambitions and his feelings on the Bush tax cut.  Clark says that he would not have supported the tax cuts … and gave the following reason: 

“Well, first of all, they were not efficient in terms of stimulating the kind of demand we need to move the economy back into a recovery mode, a strong recovery and a recovery that provides jobs. There are more effective ways of using the resources. Secondly, the tax cuts weren’t fair. I mean, the people that need the money and deserve the money are the people who are paying less, not the people who are paying more. I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation.”

Sorry, General Clark.  You have the Constitution of the United States mixed up with the Communist Manifesto.  Don’t feel bad though.  This is a very common problem with Democrats.  Your political bedmates just can’t seem to tell the difference between the two, and apparently either can you.

This country was most definitely NOT founded on the principle of progressive taxation.  In fact, the Supreme Court ruled that a progressive income tax was unconstitutional!  It was only after the States ratified the 16th Amendment to the Constitution that a progressive income tax became possible. 

 

So, just where does this idea of progressive taxation come from?  Since you’re running for president, General Clark, we would have hoped you would have known this.  But, since you don’t, I have a little reading assignment for you.  It’s a document written in 1848 by two characters named Karl Marx and Frederick Engels.  It’s called the “Manifesto of the Communist Party.”  “Communist Manifesto” for short. 

 

Buried in the middle of the Communist Manifesto you will find a list of things that will have to be accomplished in the “most advanced countries” in order to bring about the realization of the dream of a proletariat revolution.  You don’t have to read far on that list, General Clark, to see where just what type of government is founded on the principle of progressive taxation.  Item number two reads “A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.”

So, General Clark.  There you go.  It’s not the United States that was founded on the principle of progressive taxation … it’s Communism.  It would have been nice if Mr. Russert had been aware of this fact, but even if he were it would have made no difference.  Tim Russert has made his opposition to tax cuts for people who actually pay taxes very clear over the past year.

 

You might also be interested in knowing, General Clark, that Item number 10 on the Communist Manifesto list is “Free education for

all children in public schools. …”  That’s government schools, General Clark.  You might want to avoid saying that government schools were one of the founding principles of the United States.  They weren’t.

Some advice, General Clark:  If you intend to pursue your run for the Vice Presidential nomination it might be advisable to refrain from citing portions of The Communist Manifesto as part of the founding principles of our country.


TOPICS: Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: communistmanifesto; constitution; election; engels; marx; progressivetax; taxes; wesleyclark
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Amazing that the loser Clark once served as a general in the United States Armed Forces.

United States FOUNDED on the principle of PROGRESSIVE TAXATION???

1 posted on 06/17/2003 5:27:22 AM PDT by xrp
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To: xrp
He's just another globalist and third wayer
but then so is Newt G Bill C and Tony the B
2 posted on 06/17/2003 5:30:40 AM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: xrp
That line struck me as sort of a throw-away speak-before-thinking line. If he actually thought about it, he'd realize how preposterous it is.

That having been said, I wouldn't want a president or VP who speaks before thinking.
3 posted on 06/17/2003 5:33:26 AM PDT by VoiceOfBruck (you can never be too thin, too rich, or too paranoid)
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To: xrp
I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation.”

Clark has as much chance of becoming Pres as does my dog Clancy.

4 posted on 06/17/2003 5:37:40 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (proud member of a fierce, warlike tribe of a fire-breathing conservative band of Internet brothers)
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I had no idea Marx/Engels were responsible for a progressive tax. I always thought they had advocated equal income for everyone regardless of effort exerted, skill level, etc.
5 posted on 06/17/2003 5:57:37 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: xrp
I thought this country was founded on a principle of progressive taxation.”

The sad thing is that many people will hear this statement and believe it. Americans have been pretty much conditioned to accept the statements of those high places as being based on truth.

7 posted on 06/17/2003 5:59:27 AM PDT by templar
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The Ten Planks of the Communist Manifesto.

1. Abolition of private property and the application of all rent to public purpose.

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868), and various zoning, school & property taxes. Also the Bureau of Land Management.


2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

Misapplication of the 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913, The Social Security Act of 1936.; Joint House Resolution 192 of 1933; and various State "income" taxes. We call it "paying your fair share".


3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

We call it Federal & State estate Tax (1916); or reformed Probate Laws, and limited inheritance via arbitrary inheritance tax statutes.


4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call in government seizures, tax liens, Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.


5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the State, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

We call it the Federal Reserve which is a credit/debt system nationally organized by the Federal Reserve act of 1913. All local banks are members of the Fed system, and are regulated by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation (FDIC).


6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the State.

We call it the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) and Department of Transportation (DOT) madated through the ICC act of 1887, the Commissions Act of 1934, The Interstate Commerce Commission established in 1938, The Federal Aviation Administration, Federal Communications Commission, and Executive orders 11490, 10999, as well as State mandated driver's licenses and Department of Transportation regulations.


7. Extention of factories and instruments of production owned by the State, the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

We call it corporate capacity, The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Evironmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.


8. Equal liablity of all to labor. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920s, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000.


9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.



10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call "public" schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education". Click here to learn how it all came about and here to see if YOU are a practicing Communist.
8 posted on 06/17/2003 5:59:43 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: xrp
Do you really mean that progressive taxation is communism?
(I would say that it is insanity but not communism) If you go back a few years time to the days of the Communist bloc you would be surprised to know that they actually did not pay any tax at all.

I have to add visible tax, asd the state stole their money before it was it was paid as a (low) salary.

Russia after the downfall of the communist party was a grab for free economy, with hardly no one, at least not the wealthiest paying any tax. The poor bastards that had to pay any tax was the one an the lowest level. (If they got any salary.)

It is a complicated world, today in Russia thay pay a flat rate of 13 % or something similar in income tax.


9 posted on 06/17/2003 6:00:21 AM PDT by AdmSmith
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To: BOBTHENAILER
Clancy gets my vote.
10 posted on 06/17/2003 6:01:46 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: BOBTHENAILER
I would vote for Clancy. What type of dog is Clancy? If he is a Beagle, I would find a way to vote twice.
11 posted on 06/17/2003 6:06:05 AM PDT by 7thson (I think it takes a big dog to weigh a 100 pounds.)
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To: TaxRelief
I had no idea Marx/Engels were responsible for a progressive tax.

The following are the basic tennets from the Communist Manifesto. Read them then look around, you'll find it interesting how much of it we accept as a normal part of our American life

"Nevertheless, in most advanced countries, the following will be pretty generally applicable.

1. Abolition of property in land and application of all rents of land to public purposes.

2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

5. Centralization of credit in the banks of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

6. Centralization of the means of communication and transport in he hands of the state.

7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of all the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the populace over the country.

10. Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc"

12 posted on 06/17/2003 6:08:23 AM PDT by templar
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To: xrp
Rocket Scientist Russert let that remark slide by without a follow up like "Wesley, you moron, do you really believe the crap that comes out of your mouth?"
13 posted on 06/17/2003 6:08:49 AM PDT by SMEDLEYBUTLER
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To: AdmSmith
Do you really mean that progressive taxation is communism?

It is a plank of the Communist Manifesto. See #12. Study the other planks as well, it may surprise you.

14 posted on 06/17/2003 6:10:44 AM PDT by templar
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To: TaxRelief
You might be interested in the Ten Planks of the Connumist Mennifesto. If you take a close look, you will find that almost every one is the official policy of the U.S. government.
15 posted on 06/17/2003 6:13:17 AM PDT by zeugma (Hate pop-up ads? Here's the fix: http://www.mozilla.org/)
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To: xrp
..I have a little reading assignment for you. It’s a document written in 1848 by two characters named Karl Marx and Frederick Engels. It’s called the “Manifesto of the Communist Party.” “Communist Manifesto” for short.

I would suggest he read "The Constitution of the United States of America" since he apparently hasn't heard of it before.

16 posted on 06/17/2003 6:21:08 AM PDT by zip
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To: SMEDLEYBUTLER
Trouble is, Russert agrees with everyone Clark said.
17 posted on 06/17/2003 6:24:46 AM PDT by OldFriend (Hilary Knew)
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To: xrp
What a riot! This country was most certainly not founded on the principle of progressive taxation. Maybe he thinks he's in Sweden. This country didn't even have an income tax until early last century.
18 posted on 06/17/2003 6:42:25 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: xrp
Clark is the shovel man in the weazel parade.
19 posted on 06/17/2003 6:43:05 AM PDT by hgro
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To: xrp
As a side bar, the military traditionally has conservative values. If it went to the dark side, as with so many other countries, it would be all over.
20 posted on 06/17/2003 6:48:46 AM PDT by stevio
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