DRUGS FOR THE ELDERLY, TAXES FOR THE CHILDREN - Fox News

Fox News ^ | June 17, 2003 | By Chris Edwards

[Uncle Bill]

In just five years, a demographic tidal wave will begin that will forever alter the federal government. The large baby boom generation (search) will start retiring and cause the costs of Social Security (search) and Medicare to explode.

Unfortunately, Congress seems blissfully unaware of the coming crisis as it works to create another elderly entitlement in the form of a $400 billion Medicare prescription drug benefit.

[texastoo]

Good article. That is where it is . Our children and grandchildren will pay for this. Their freedom is gone.

[Uncle Bill]

BTTT

[Uncle Bill]

Our children and grandchildren will pay for this.

Yep. And what's laughable is these selfish socialists say they care about the children. Now that's a knee-slapper.

[nutmeg]

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Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my infrequent FoxFan list.

[gg188]

At the signing ceremony for the new Medicare program in 1965, Lyndon Johnson said that "no longer will young families see their own incomes, and their own hopes, eaten away simply because they are carrying out their deep moral obligations" to provide for their parents

LBJ's words here have to be one of the classic examples of liberal bull-s__t. Half the population then, as now, would not ask or understand who pays for Medicare, as these people don't understand that government has no money, that it can only get money from people who create wealth---either through confiscation (taxation) or through simply printing more money (thereby diluting the value of money and invisibly co-opting the value of the dollars in each person's pocket or bank account, transferring a part of each dollar's value to the money it's printing and distributing via Medicare or whatever.)

The sad part is that there are even more people today that don't get it than in '65.

Probably the single best thing that could be done would be to teach young people straightforward lessons in economics and civics.

Damn---it's late, and I'm dreaming, ain't it?!!

[nunya bidness]

Big ups for you UB.

[MinorityRepublican]

Probably the single best thing that could be done would be to teach young people straightforward lessons in economics and civics.

Not all hope is lost. There's some reason for hope.

We aren't as decadent as the Baby Boomers were(are) but unfortunately our numbers are too few to make any significant impact in the next couple of decades.

Thanks to Roe vs. Wade.

[eeman]

While I am happy that Bush won the election rather than Gore, I am becoming increasingly disgusted by the GOP. Certainly Bush's leadership in the Irag war, (err battle) was masterful. However to counterbalance that we have:

1. An increase in government spending in multiple areas such as education, agriculture. If Clinton had proposed this much increase in federal expenditure, the GOP would be howling.

2. Promoting a drug program that will be the biggest realtive increase in federal spending in 40 years It will become a HUGE financial liability in twenty years.

3. Willfully ignoring our immigration problem and our borders.

4. Failure to sucsessfully nominate a single conservative judge at circuit court level.

5. Signing the Campaign Finance Reform bill.

6. Steel tariffs

Flame me if you want, but IMHO, Bush is becoming our version of LBJ, with the exception of not trying to micromanage the Irag campaign.

I have voted straight Republicn for 20 years. After the 200 elections, I was one of the weekend protestors, I gave money in the 2000 and 2002 election cycles. However, I think the 2004 campaign will find me sitting on my hands with the checkbook closed

[Uncle Bill]

"The sad part is that there are even more people today that don't get it than in '65."

When I first read those LBJ comments, my first thought was, Bush could say those words tomorrow, the brainless would swoon, and say to themselves, thank goodness, somebody cares for us. He's doing this for us. This is a great thing.

[eeman]

Getting late, realtive=realtive, Republicn=Republican

[Uncle Bill]

"However, I think the 2004 campaign will find me sitting on my hands with the checkbook closed"

Believe me, you're not alone.

Click me

[Uncle Bill]

Hey, hi nunya, hope all is well. 8-)

[nunya bidness]

Everything is great. Always a pleasure to see you name in the latest posts page.

[Uncle Bill]

Thanks much.

[Stopislamnow]

Me too, me too.

We have been boondoggled and shysted by almost every repub in govt.

Massive public school funding.
AWB Non support.
Border security.
Tax welfare.
Drug/medicare.

I will hold my nose, and pull the pub lever. I won't neccessary like it, and I sure as hell won't contribute or help with campaigns this time.

[Free the USA]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[JudgemAll]

A solution to this will have to keep old people in business. There is no other way.

[Huck]

This has been looming for a long time. That was part of the rationale for the "Gen X" tab--that we were demographically outnumbered and would have no political power to resist the boomers as a bloc. This guy starts his article talking about a tidal wave of boomers, and then suggests a much smaller group of people can "put pressure" on Congress. Not bloody likely. Nevermind the fact that many young people vote like morons. If they vote.

[snopercod]

I bash the AARP every chance I get. Damn commie organization...

[mikenola]

But wait there's more!

*The $15b for AIDS in Africa
*The money for low income house down payments

Some FReepers think that this all part of Bush/Rove's "master" plan, and that in his second term, Bush will transform into some type of uber-Reagan. I'm not so sure.

This prescription drug thing is BAD,BAD,BAD and all conservatives should be working overtime to get it KILLED.

I'm 29, and I don't want 75% of my check going to FICA 20 years from now.

[goldstategop]

30 years from now you'll be demanding more benefits as a geezer. ;-)

[Right_in_Virginia]

Our children and grandchildren will pay for this. Their freedom is gone.

Yes. But, (today) they believe it's okay---and those who voice an opposing opinion are mean-spirited rich people who don't want others to have what they have.

The class warfare of the past two decades has taken a high toll on common sense.

[rebel]

Bush is the GOP's LBJ.

He fights for the GOP version on a Great Society

He breaks the 1st amendment with Campaign Finance reform.

He favors breaking the 2nd Amendment even further by siding with Schumer and Feinstein on the semi-import ban.

He breaks the 4th and 5th amendments with Patriot Act I and probably II

Now we know what "compassionate conservatism" is. It is GOP socialism.

Bush fears the leftist retoric more than he fears his supporters. I almost ran for local office as a republican. I have always voted republican. But the slide to the left is unmistakable and no one seems ready to try and stop it.

The GOP, like many here say, "Well, who else are you going to vote for?" As for me, I'll not vote for the lesser of two evils again.

I'm voting 3rd party or not at all.

[SUSSA]

Good article. The question the socialists never answer is why should I have to pay for things they want? What is it that entitles the underachievers to forcibly take money from the people who earn it, to provide them with things they want?

Why should people be forced to subsidize the lifestyles of others? It isn’t even a case where the socialists are forcibly taking our money for the just the poor. We are subsidizing the middle class as well.

This is another example of selfish, envious, people who either can’t or won’t provide for themselves, teaming up with sleazy politicians to forcibly take the earnings of the productive, to provide them with things they should be providing for themselves. These people refuse to take responsibility for themselves.

A couple of years ago I was at one of Dick Armey’s constituent meetings. One old bimbo got up and whined about Medicare not paying for her drugs. When we left it so happened that she was parked near me. She was driving a new Lincoln Town Car.

She had the gall to want me to pay for her drugs when she can haul her selfish butt around in a new luxury car. I wanted to puke on her.

The socialists who whine and snivel about how we owe them something disgust me. The politicians who pander to these buffoons disgust me even more.

[Greg Weston]

Hey I don't know what is best here. I'm glad you are smart enough to know about the drugs the elderly need. To hell with these old worthless parasites. Let em live in a cardboard box without the drugs. Better yet hook em up with Dr. Kevorkian.

[Greg Weston]

Better hope you never have some kind of catastrophic problem you can't pay for. Don't come asking for any help boy.

[Elsie]

I'm voting 3rd party or not at all.

While I definitely feel your sentiments, I'm afraid there will be a bunch of 4th, 5th and sixth party votes being cast, thereby diminishing the effect of protest.

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The REAL effect will come at the PRIMARY level, and that is ssllooowwly growing.

[Elsie]

{winters coming..........}

[SUSSA]

That's what charities are for.

Why should I forcibly take money from you and your family to pay for my wants? If I have a real need, my family, friends, and charities should be where that help comes from.

[ActionNewsBill]

After the 200 elections, I was one of the weekend protestors,

You must be really old.

[Greg Weston]

Good I'm glad you have it all figured out. But you better just pray you don't have the catastrophic problem anyway, just in case.

[SUSSA]

You didn't answer the question. Why should I forcibly take your money for my wants and needs?

[Greg Weston]

So you consider all tax money collected to be "forcibly" taken? How we gonna fight all these wars all over the world if they don't forcibly take your money for it. Maybe charity can take care of the war budget?

[DLfromthedesert]

Why do you think it is the job of the Federal government to solve every problem?

And where is it constitutional to do so?

And what are you doing on a conservative form if you actually believe that it is the job of the federal government to take care of us from cradle to grave?

[SUSSA]

The war budget has nothing to do with welfare. If you don't think taxes are forcibly taken from you, try not paying them.

That being said, I can see that you have no way of justifying this socialism. Socialism has never worked anywhere at any time. It is just a way for sleazy politicians to bribe selfish, underachievers to vote for them.

[Greg Weston]

Hey that's fine. If you want those old folks to just go die off just say so. If that is your vision for America be proud to say it.

[Greg Weston]

I see, as long as the "forcibly taken" money is for something you agree with it's OK I guess. So why don't you go run for President yourself with your "To Hell with you old geezers" message. You think America is ready for it?

[SUSSA]

Still can't answer the question I see.

[PogySailor]

Yesterday a new Casio opened at the Seminole Reservation in Tampa. The news last night showed bus loads of seniors from Sun City arriving. Immediately after that was a report on the new Prescription Drug bill.

My wife and I just shook our heads at the unintended (I suppose) irony of the two stories.

[nonliberal]

I will be holding my nose and pulling the "libertarian" lever for the first time in my life.

[Greg Weston]

Do you want roads without big holes in them? Do you want the fire dept to come when your house is on fire? You tell me why the govt should forcibly take money for these wants?

Some people want old folks to get decent medical treatment. If you think this is unreasonable so be it. Pick and choose your "wants". That's your decision to make on what you think is important.

[Lefty-NiceGuy]

"Drugs for the Elderly, Taxes for the Children - Fox News"
=>
"Fox News - Drugs for the Children, Taxes for the Elderly"

Minor correction. j/k

[texastoo]

Drugs for whose children?

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

[SVTCobra03]

My "wants" are irrelevant. What is relevant is the proper function of government. National defense and internal order are proper functions; providing health care by transfering wealth from the producive class to the parasite class is not.

[SUSSA]

This is from another thread. Read it and tell me why this guy should have to pay for your drugs. Like the rest of us, he has enough to do to take care of his own responsibilities without taking on yours too.
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To: abigkahuna

I have a wife and 3 sons. My oldest son is 23. After 4 open heart surgeries, 2 artificial valves and a pacemaker, I'm stuck with supporting him. He does not have insurance and probably can't get it. My 20 year old son just returned from Kuwait with the Marine Corps. My 15 year old son is still in high school. We just sucked up $1500 in dental and ambulance bills when he passed out from a virus and jammed his teeth into a tile floor. I get to pay astronomical prices for medical care, medical insurance AND pay astronomical taxes to support other people too. People that didn't work for that money.

Country club Republican is an interesting label. I don't have the time for a country club. I work over 250 hours a month. I've put on 50 pounds over the last five years because I can't get away from a very demanding bunch of contracts.

My wife works as a dispatcher for the local police department. She earns $12 an hour. 11 PM to 7 AM shift. Tuesday and Wednesday off. I work until 3 AM and sleep until she gets home around 7:30...then I get up and work until 3 AM again...except for a meal break. I take 6 hours off on Sunday to mow the lawn and do laundry. Some damn country club. Oh yeah, the marriage penalty means she can bring home $600 per month. She just loves being in the 36% bracket with an annual gross of $24K.

You sir are a socialist wearing the cloak of a conservative. Advocating to pick the pockets of productive people to subsidize your health care is government sanctioned robbery. While you are being absurd, why not sign a contract with your city to withhold police and fire services from you in exchange for a refund of the taxes you contributed for those services? Your contention that you are paying for my medical services is totally absurd. A $1000 bill for 20 minutes with the doctor and a prescription for the antibiotic of the week. It fixed nothing. I'm still sick. In one sense you are correct. I won't patronize those hospitals anymore, thus I'm going to stop subsidizing those who won't pay their bills. My kid's $500 ambulance ride (2 miles) and $1,000 to sit unattended in the emergency room for 30 minutes came out of my hide as well. No treatment. Just sitting on an ordinary office chair. Not covered by insurance. Keep your hands out of my pockets. I forgot to mention the $800 dental bill to cap the shattered teeth. Not covered either.


79 posted on 06/17/2003 11:08 PM CDT by Myrddin
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Like most socialists you cannot distinguish between legitimate governmental functions and things that are not legitimate functions of government. It is a legitimate government function to provide for the common needs like roads, fire departments and a military.

Heaping your personal responsibility on someone else is not what government should be doing. Socialism never works. It never has and never will.