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Presidential Catfight: Hillary vs. Condi in 2008?
Fox News ^ | 6/18/03 | Jennifer D.Angelo

Posted on 06/18/2003 6:14:32 AM PDT by NYC Republican

NEW YORK — No woman has ever received a major party nomination for the presidency, but some have speculated that in 2008, not one, but two women could be competing for the White House.

In recent interviews, New York Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton (search) said she had “no intention” of running for president in 2008 -- but did not rule it out, leading many to believe a race is possible. And if the former first lady were to run, some say National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice (search) would be the perfect Republican to run against her.

“I’ve been speculating on that [match-up] for a year and half,” said GOP strategist Cheri Jacobus. “The greatest strength Hillary has is she’s a woman in what many consider a man’s world. If the GOP candidate were [a] woman as well, she’d have to run on merit, not on ‘I’m a woman hear me roar,’” Jacobus said.

Both women have plenty of merits. Born in Chicago on Oct. 26, 1947, Clinton grew up in Park Ridge, Ill., and is a 1973 graduate of Yale Law School. She worked as an attorney while her husband was governor of Arkansas and performed the duties of the nation's first lady for eight years. On Nov. 7, 2000, Clinton became the first first lady to be elected to the U.S. Senate. She is also an established author and advocate of women’s rights and public works projects for her state of New York.

Born Nov. 14, 1954, in segregation-era Birmingham, Ala., Rice got her Ph.D. from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies in 1981. A former political science professor and provost of Stanford University, she was President George H.W. Bush’s adviser on Soviet affairs before becoming the current President Bush’s national security adviser.

On the issues, Hillary is regarded by many as a liberal who tried and failed to nationalize health care.

“The worst thing the Democrats can do is to nominate Hillary. She’s so far to the left that the center would be turned off,” said Republican strategist Paul Pelletier.

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Interesting, albeit far-fetched (possibility of these 2 going against each other) article.
1 posted on 06/18/2003 6:14:32 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican
I like it. I have a lot of respect for Condoleeza Rice's decision making abilities. However, I really want her to straighten out the mess the Democrats made of California as Governor Rice.
2 posted on 06/18/2003 6:17:05 AM PDT by John123
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To: NYC Republican
I'd vote for Condi even without the witch running against her.
3 posted on 06/18/2003 6:18:04 AM PDT by boxerblues (God bless the 101st and keep them safe)
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To: NYC Republican
I hate to say this but in all honesty I don't think Condi can beat Hillary unless she starts getting out into the public eye! Hillary has the money, the power and name recognition plus she is a Senator! In order for Hillary to be beaten she needs to go against an extremely strong leader which is why she is not running in 2004 because she can never beat Bush!
4 posted on 06/18/2003 6:19:52 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: John123
I like it. I have a lot of respect for Condoleeza Rice's decision making abilities. However, I really want her to straighten out the mess the Democrats made of California as Governor Rice.

How great would it be to see her trounce Boxer? California dreaming, or a possibility?

5 posted on 06/18/2003 6:20:59 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican
In recent interviews, New York Democratic Sen. Hillary Clinton (search) said she had “no intention” of running for president in 2008

"I have no plans to run for the Senate in New York". - H.R.Clinton, March 1999.

6 posted on 06/18/2003 6:22:01 AM PDT by TheGrimReaper (o)(o)
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To: NYC Republican
I heard that the word is the Democrats have some sort of dirt they are sitting on in regards to Condi and will continue to sit on it until they ever have to use it.
7 posted on 06/18/2003 6:22:55 AM PDT by Hatteras (The Thundering Herd Of Turtles ROCK!)
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To: NYC Republican
GOP missed a great possibility when Rice was not the designated Vice Presidential candidate in '04.

Nothing against Cheney at all. A great VP, but not electable in '08.

Now Rice needs 10 years at least before she is back in the potential president category, and who is to say what time will bring?
8 posted on 06/18/2003 6:23:08 AM PDT by 9999lakes
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To: NYC Republican
Rice will not run.

This is journalistic fantasy.

A pro-abort will not win the GOP primary.

As much as I like her, unless she aligns her apparently sincere faith with her politics, that is, until she becomes pro life, she will receive scant support in a GOP primary.
9 posted on 06/18/2003 6:24:06 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: TheGrimReaper
Oh we all know she is going to run in 2008. But we have to have a real strong Republican running in 2008 to beat her. Right now I don't see anyone who is strong enough for the 2008 run but its much too early yet!
10 posted on 06/18/2003 6:26:03 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: NYC Republican
While it sounds great here in America for the two women running for president, it would never work for us to have a woman president. You think America has trouble now in dealing with foreign countries, just try when a woman is president. So many of the foreign countries think of women as "less than third class citizens", they would not even schedule a meeting with the US. Sorry, but I think this is the way it is.
11 posted on 06/18/2003 6:27:01 AM PDT by maeng
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To: NYC Republican
Back after Desert Storm I was a big fan of Powell. Here was a guy that was a good military leader. He handeled himself well and everyone wondered, boxers or briefs, no, Democrat or Republican.

Many talked the guy up under similar circumstances as they now do Rice. But then Powell opened his mouth a few times regarding political issues and it became appearent, this man wasn't actually a conservative on a number of issues.

I think Rice is probably a very good advisor. I am not sure what her political views are concerning conservative issues. I don't think we should push her nomination until we know quite a bit more about what makes Condi tick with regard to political issues.

She seems to be a capable woman. What are her views on affirmative action? What are her views welfare, government spending and a host of other issues.

As these flesh out, I may find that I can vote for her, but that remains to be seen. It is way way way too premature to talk of her holding public office, especially the Presidential slot. And it makes me real nervous to see the press so receptive to talking about a Condit/Clinton race in 2008. Geez, there is a remote possibility at this point that would be an election the liberals couldn't lose, if Condit's view on issues other than military were close to Powell's.

That comes off a little harsh on Powell. I don't think he's as bad as a Democrat, but he would definately not be my first choice for a Presidential candidate either.
12 posted on 06/18/2003 6:29:43 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
Good post. I agree with nearly everything you've said. She's been "stealthy" on her political views, we'll need to know more about where she stands. Thanks
13 posted on 06/18/2003 6:33:01 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: maeng
Your right about many foreign countries attitudes toward women, but a woman president with the full financial, military and political power of the United States at her fingertips would have them crawling till their knees bleed for a five minute meeting with her. Yes, they might despise a woman with that kind of power, but they would lick her fashionable shoes anyway.
15 posted on 06/18/2003 6:37:30 AM PDT by breninma
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To: areafiftyone
Oh we all know she is going to run in 2008. But we have to have a real strong Republican running in 2008 to beat her. Right now I don't see anyone who is strong enough for the 2008 run but its much too early yet!

My intitial thoughts were Frist (doctor, solid conservative stands) but after seeing him cower somewhat in his role as ML, I don't think so highly of him anymore. Jeb Bush could be fantastic, but he'd be viewed as part of a dynasty, and I don't think most Americans will go along. Santorum? What about the Rep from California who appears on talk shows frequently, David Dreier? He's one of the most articulate, TV-friendly, sharp persons I've seen in a long time...

16 posted on 06/18/2003 6:37:47 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: Hatteras
The Democrats would not use their ammunition on an American woman of African descent, now would they? Wouldn't that be in conflict with their principles of 'affirmative action'?

At this point, the Democrat spinmeisters would have to use some tortorous logic, the upshot of which would be that Condoleezza Rice was neither a woman, nor of African descent, and possibly, by their definitions, not even American. Of course, the last is a matter of indifference to the Democrats anyway. It certainly is not a requirement that one be American to vote for a slate of Democrats.
17 posted on 06/18/2003 6:38:09 AM PDT by alloysteel
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19 posted on 06/18/2003 6:39:27 AM PDT by firewalk
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To: NYC Republican
This will not happen. Condi Rice has a 'bad girl' file. Drudge let that out last week.
20 posted on 06/18/2003 6:39:39 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: alloysteel
The Democrats would not use their ammunition on an American woman of African descent, now would they?

In a freakin' heartbeat, while they were grinning from ear to ear.

21 posted on 06/18/2003 6:40:27 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: NYC Republican
My intitial thoughts were Frist (doctor, solid conservative stands) but after seeing him cower somewhat in his role as ML, I don't think so highly of him anymore.

Out of curiosity, how has Frist erred as ML?

I consider him a serious contender, however, he obviously doesn't have the personality....he's a transplant surgeon, after all...not exactly a commoner...unfortunately that doesn't sell in America.
22 posted on 06/18/2003 6:40:27 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Lazamataz
Condi Rice has a 'bad girl' file. Drudge let that out last week.

Must have missed that... Do you have a link?

23 posted on 06/18/2003 6:40:40 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: ConservativeDude
Out of curiosity, how has Frist erred as ML?

I feel he's botched the Estrada nomination. Also, the whoe tax cut issue, where he "forgot" to tell Bush and Hastert that the most he could get was half of what was being requested by Mr. Bush.

24 posted on 06/18/2003 6:42:43 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: Lazamataz
That's OK. Sometimes we "bad girls" grow up to be tough old conservative broads!
25 posted on 06/18/2003 6:43:47 AM PDT by breninma
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To: NYC Republican
When are you people gonna realize that Hillary is running in 2004?
26 posted on 06/18/2003 6:44:49 AM PDT by ido_now
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To: maeng
What countries will have a problem? Not Britain or any of the European countries, Not India, Not Turkey, or Israel.

The only ones that might that really matter are Japan, China, Saudi, and they all need slapping down anyway.

27 posted on 06/18/2003 6:47:17 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("We've got important work here. A lot of filing, giving things names.")
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To: NYC Republican
Oh I like him! But who knows if he wants to jump into a presidential race. We need strong tough people - Too bad Guiliani and McCain are such RINO's (Although if I had to choose I would take Guiliani over McCain any day). Either one of them could beat the pants off of Hillary! We can't have wimpy or stupid people running against Hillary - Look what happened to Lazio!
28 posted on 06/18/2003 6:50:17 AM PDT by areafiftyone (The U.N. needs a good Flush!)
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To: NYC Republican
It was when someone was interviewing Drudge. No link....sorry...
29 posted on 06/18/2003 6:59:30 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: ido_now
When are you people gonna realize that Hillary is running in 2004?

If she does, she loses.

If she waits until 2008, she wins.

30 posted on 06/18/2003 7:00:33 AM PDT by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999!)
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To: areafiftyone
We can't have wimpy or stupid people running against Hillary - Look what happened to Lazio!

Come on, that was an unfair attack on Lazio... If you followed the history of that race, Lazio wanted to enter the race right away, but was discouraged by the NY Rep party, as Guiliani didn't want a primary fight... When RG dropped out, Lazio had very little time to get his operatives and campaign off the ground... That, plus the all-powerful liberal media doomed Lazio.

31 posted on 06/18/2003 7:02:54 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: ido_now
I think she's waiting to see what happens on the economy. If the DOW goes over that psychological barrier of 10,000, then Bush is an automatic win. She's praying every day for some calamity to hit the U.S. to give her a chance to get in. Sad, but true.
32 posted on 06/18/2003 7:03:03 AM PDT by aegiscg47
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To: areafiftyone
Oh I like him! But who knows if he wants to jump into a presidential race.

Are you referring to Frist or Dreier? Personally, I can't think of a Republican that would be more electable if he were interested (other than Jeb, is his last name weren't Bush).

33 posted on 06/18/2003 7:04:40 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican
BUMP
34 posted on 06/18/2003 7:06:49 AM PDT by GrandMoM ("Vengeance is Mine , I will repay," says the Lord.)
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To: NYC Republican; areafiftyone
My bet is VA Sen. George Allen. He is a former Gov. and is currently chairman of the GOP Senate campaign committee (NRSC) -- money and politics. I'm also betting IN Sen. Bayh (D) will challenge the beast in the 2008 primary -- should be a good fight.
35 posted on 06/18/2003 7:07:09 AM PDT by Gothmog
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To: NYC Republican
How great would it be to see her trounce Boxer? California dreaming, or a possibility?

I would have to say dreaming because California still has a democratic majority. Now, if Arnold against Boxer, all bets are off.

36 posted on 06/18/2003 7:12:28 AM PDT by John123
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To: NYC Republican
Once the road map debacle plays out, Rice won't even be able to be elected dog catcher.
37 posted on 06/18/2003 7:12:48 AM PDT by LarryM
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To: breninma
Have you read Article 2 of the US Constitution?

38 posted on 06/18/2003 7:12:49 AM PDT by William Terrell (People can exist without government but government can't exist without people)
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To: Lazamataz; aegiscg47
"I think she's waiting to see what happens on the economy. If the DOW goes over that psychological barrier of 10,000, then Bush is an automatic win. She's praying every day for some calamity to hit the U.S. to give her a chance to get in. Sad, but true."

(1) Why her book tour? (2) Why market going up now?

In case you missed a recent poll which showed W at 47% versus BC at 43% and don't realize that the media propaganda for Hillary has just begun, wait until 5 bizillion articles have remade her into Saint Hillary.

(1) Book Tour = Kick Off For President

(2) Dow now 9,300 while most companies are still in trouble. May 2004 Dow 5,500.

Prediction: November 2004 - HC 57% W 41%

HEIL HITLERY! (ME VERY SAD, PROBABLY WILL TAKE THE PIPE)

For the youngsters out there the PIPE means the gas pipe.
39 posted on 06/18/2003 7:24:04 AM PDT by ido_now
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To: NYC Republican
"The Real Smartest Woman in the World vs. The Most Evil Woman in the World."

I like our chances. LOL

40 posted on 06/18/2003 7:27:40 AM PDT by RooRoobird14 ("Clinton is a rapist, Hillary is his pimp")
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To: John123
However, I really want her to straighten out the mess the Democrats made of California as Governor Rice.

You're probably going to get Ah-nold first - seriously. He's interested in doing just what you said.

Schwarzenegger, sounding like a candidate, calls for voter revolution

41 posted on 06/18/2003 7:32:43 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: maeng
While it sounds great here in America for the two women running for president, it would never work for us to have a woman president. You think America has trouble now in dealing with foreign countries, just try when a woman is president. So many of the foreign countries think of women as "less than third class citizens", they would not even schedule a meeting with the US. Sorry, but I think this is the way it is.

If you think like that, I have two words for you - Margaret Thatcher.

42 posted on 06/18/2003 7:37:19 AM PDT by NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
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To: NotJustAnotherPrettyFace
Do we really want to be like Britain or any of the other Euro countries? I don't think so. Do you think Margaret Thatcher really leads or is just a figure head? Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Condi as President, just don't think the world would take us seriously.
43 posted on 06/18/2003 7:43:51 AM PDT by maeng
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To: NYC Republican
I postulated this possibility some time ago. I think Cheney will step aside as running mate for a second term citing "health reasons" and do it too late for hillary to react in 2004. Then Condi will go against hillary as a successor to G.W.

The dems must think so too - they are compiling a massive dirt file on Condi.
44 posted on 06/18/2003 7:48:58 AM PDT by Wil H
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To: Gothmog
My bet is VA Sen. George Allen

Opps, forgot about him. Excellent choice. Son of George Allen the excellent football coach, solid credentials...

45 posted on 06/18/2003 7:53:43 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: LarryM
Once the road map debacle plays out, Rice won't even be able to be elected dog catcher.

I don't think people see Rice as playing a key role, it's Bush who's put his prestige on the line... For what it's worth, I think Bush will come out smelling like roses when all is said and done. Either he gave it his all, and terrorism destroyed the road map, whereby he can say that he won't get involved again until both parties want peace and terrorism is eradicated in the region, or it will bear fruit. Either way, it's a win-win IMO.

46 posted on 06/18/2003 7:56:15 AM PDT by NYC Republican
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To: NYC Republican
albeit far-fetched (possibility of these 2 going against each other)

True, but I'd pay good money to watch!

47 posted on 06/18/2003 7:58:54 AM PDT by null and void (Who Cries For The Krill?)
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To: areafiftyone; Joy Angela
NEVER FORGET


In a new War on Terrorism with the Terrorist Partners of HILLARY RODHAM now just around the corner and up BUSH's Street:


.."IS it SAFE?" = HILLARY on Senate Armed Services Committee..


http://www.TheAlamoFILM.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=629


NEVER FORGET
48 posted on 06/18/2003 7:59:23 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.comt)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE; no one in particular
I'm more worried about VICE President Rodham-Clinton. Think of it:

• She keeps he promise not to run for president in '04
• Two years and one day into her term the first slotter gets arkincided
• Under Article XXII, she can still run for two full terms as the incumbent
• The Hillary!™ Decade begins
• At the end of the Hillary!™ Decade there is a National Emergency "temporarily" delaying the elections
• Under the pressure of the National Emergency, the 2nd and 22nd amendments are repealed...
49 posted on 06/18/2003 8:09:50 AM PDT by null and void (Who Cries For The Krill?)
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To: null and void; Joy Angela; Alamo-Girl; Ragtime Cowgirl; conservogirl; flamefront; ...
Sounds like:


"CLINTON ain't Leaving" - 2 ..?


...HO CHI MINH would be so proud...


See:

'NICHOLS PROJECT = "CLINTON ain't Leaving'

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a394018397e5c.htm
50 posted on 06/18/2003 8:22:05 AM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.comt)
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