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The Correct Jewish Approach to Homosexuality
1 posted on 06/20/2003 1:23:06 PM PDT by Alouette
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To: Alouette
Israelis attend a gay pride parade in a park in downtown Jerusalem Friday June 20, 2003. The parade was scheduled for last week but it was postponed after a Palestinian suicide bomber attack in Jerusalem that left 17 people dead.(AP Photo/Enric Marti)

2 posted on 06/20/2003 1:25:13 PM PDT by berserker
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To: Alouette
"This is a disgusting parade which has no place in a Jewish state," said Itamar Ben-Gvir

Hello! This is GOD SPEAKING.

"I agree with your conclusion". "Bless you"

3 posted on 06/20/2003 1:28:38 PM PDT by chachacha
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To: Alouette
"Islamic law prescribes five separate forms of death for homosexuals. To these, the Palestinian Authority adds several of its own. . . . "It's now impossible to be an open gay in the PA,"

This puts a whole new light on Islam. Islam may have gotten something right afterall.
4 posted on 06/20/2003 1:28:57 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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To: Alouette
How could Beer claim to be observant and also be involved in organizing a parade celebrating sodomy?

It's a contradiction in terms. Do Hawaiin shirts conform to shatnes?

5 posted on 06/20/2003 1:37:42 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Alouette
"Queers for Palestine"

LOL! A 2003 Darwin Award nominee if ever one was :)

One can only assume that the marchers were looking for some *VERY* rough sex!

Haziz! More crisco for the Camels!!!! :) :)

7 posted on 06/20/2003 1:49:17 PM PDT by dfrussell
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To: Alouette
This is clearly unnatural and behavior, obvious to anyone without an ulterior motive. So why are we losing this battle worldwide? On the left, they are so population paranoid that they'll endorse anything that ends a life or stops a life from being created. I think we are really losing it in the political middle where people have some residual moral aptitude but they can't remember why, so they cave if they think a little power can be gained by it.
9 posted on 06/20/2003 1:55:12 PM PDT by RAT Patrol (Congress can give one American a dollar only by first taking it away from another American. -W.W.)
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To: Alouette
Those who opposed the gay-rights revolution cannot realistically expect that today's homosexuals will simply be pushed back into the closet.

The Nazies' aryan race rights were pushed back in the closet after a sick surge in huge popularity. Same ol same ol. The gays will receive the same treatment if they push their "rights" to force young men in "marriages"/sexSlavery, out of which they cannot get out to join a normal life unless sued in a divorce at great expense.

12 posted on 06/20/2003 2:11:11 PM PDT by JudgemAll
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To: Alouette
They could always move to Key West:
Posted on Mon, Jun. 16, 2003 story:PUB_DESC
FULL OF PRIDE: About 2,000 people hold the flag made by Gilbert Baker, who created the gay icon 25 years ago. ANDY NEWMAN/FLORIDA KEYS NEWS BUREAU
FULL OF PRIDE: About 2,000 people hold the flag made by Gilbert Baker, who created the gay icon 25 years ago. ANDY NEWMAN/FLORIDA KEYS NEWS BUREAU

After the rain, the sun pierced the clouds, setting the perfect stage for a rainbow. And then it appeared, all 116,800 square feet of it, unfurled from a U-Haul at one end of Key West's Duval Street, stretching from the Gulf of Mexico to the Atlantic Ocean.

''We did it, we've done it,'' red-faced volunteers whooped as they learned that the 16-foot-wide, 1.3-mile-long rainbow flag, the longest to date, made it from sea to sea. ``We made history.''

The flag was unfurled at midday and carried by some 2,000 people, creating a surreal paint-like stripe along the main vein of this island.

It took three months, six sewing machines and three tons of fabric to make the banner, created to commemorate the first rainbow flag, a symbol of gay, lesbian and bisexual pride born in San Francisco a quarter of a century ago.

Coordinating the event was Gilbert Baker, a former GI turned drag queen turned seamstress who made the first rainbow flag for a 1978 gay-rights parade.

The flag has since been adopted worldwide as a symbol of gay pride, eclipsing other icons such as the Greek lambda sign and the pink triangle first used in Nazi Germany to identify homosexuals.

In 1994, Baker sewed a mile-long flag that was marched down New York's First Avenue, to commemorate the Stonewall riots, a series of violent conflicts between homosexuals and New York City police officers in 1969. It was a catalyst for the gay-rights movement.

Now 53, Baker is known as the ''gay Betsy Ross'' to some.

In November, he agreed to make a 25th anniversary flag that would stretch 'coast to coast' across Key West.

Two original colors, turquoise and fuchsia, were added, restoring the banner to its eight-color glory.

Sunday's event capped Key West's PrideFest week and drew a crowd as colorful as the headlining flag.

Among them: Zelda Angelfire, a six-foot-tall drag queen from Toronto wearing a gravity-defying blond bouffant, red ostrich feathers, and silver and gold lamé heels.

''The rainbow flag is a unifying symbol, when gay and lesbians see it, they know they are welcome,'' said Angelfire.

John Mahaney, 53, of Key West, dressed his dog, Bingo, a German shepherd and Whippet mix, in a rainbow-hued visor and matching party beads. ''If it was a more formal event, he would've worn pearls,'' Mahaney said.

Volunteers, outfitted in white shirts emblazoned with the logo of Absolut Vodka, the undertaking's main sponsor, were placed every 10 feet.

Key West's mayor, Jimmy Weekly, announced to cheers that he would hang a rainbow flag in City Hall. A pastor from Holy Trinity Lutheran Church blessed the crowd.

At Baker's side was his roommate and friend of 30 years, Cleve Jones, the man who created the Names Project AIDS memorial quilt.

''We both do big fabric,'' Jones said.

Whether the Guinness World Records will acknowledge the flag is not yet known, though Baker said the record keepers recognized his 1994 feat.

From the middle of Duval Street, it was impossible to see either end of the flag: the overall view was limited to people who swooped by in helicopters and the transfixed onlookers who cheered from the rooftop of the island's tallest building, La Concha hotel.

It took two hours to fully unfold the flag. A moment of anxiety came about 1:30 p.m., when it seemed there were not enough volunteers to unfurl the whole thing. But patrons from nearby bars responded to calls for help.

At 2 p.m., the long process began of folding the flag into halves, then quarters then eighths. It was snaked back into Baker's workshop at Duval and Amelia streets, where it will be divided, along prepared seams, into pieces and shipped to 120 cities around the world.

At the end, Baker was elated, and said he was forever indebted to Key West.

''In the world of [flag design], known as vexillography, there is a saying that I embrace,'' he said. ' `A true flag can never be designed, it is torn from the souls of the people.' ''


16 posted on 06/20/2003 3:10:17 PM PDT by Catspaw
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Another proud marcher. Barf
18 posted on 06/20/2003 3:37:39 PM PDT by WackySam ("The last time the French asked for 'more proof' it came marching into Paris under a German flag.")
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To: SJackson; Yehuda; Nachum; adam_az; LarryM; American in Israel; ReligionofMassDestruction; ...
I do not believe in their platform or way of life. However, this is a prime example of the great amount of freedom Israeli citizens enjoy, a freedom much of the media never mentions about Israel. These people would get death under the PA or in the Arab world.
25 posted on 06/21/2003 12:40:56 AM PDT by yonif
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To: Alouette
I want to apologize to you for not posting to this thread earlier. I've been having computer problems (specifically, my old monitor gave out) and thus haven't been online as much the past week or so. Another problem, which I often state here, is that I'm afraid I take my beliefs so seriously that I find defending them from the various attacks from every single quarter to be extremely emotionally draining. I apologize for this weakness but sometimes I simply have to take a break for a longer or shorter period of time.

Now I want to thank you so very much for combining your strong advocacy for Israel with a wholistic Torah worldview that teaches all mankind in every age and land how one is to live. The nudnick who wrote the pro-homosexual article in the Jerusalem Post has doubtless become the poster child for "palaeoconservatives" who insist that Yasser Arafat is somehow going to save the world for decency and morality and that every homosexual activist on earth receives his instructions directly from 'Ari'el Sharon. But unfortunately his message has become a main component of "pro-Israel" rhetoric. Israel is a "democracy," Israel is "western," Israel is a product of the same tradition that created the United States of America and the modern post-enlightenment West. Blakh.

However, before we get too embarrassed or stutter too defensively before our "palaeoconservative" critics let us remember that their entire pose, their entire pretenses to morality, are phony. They are frauds from beginning to end as may be easily demonstrated.

First, as with Communists, they are very selective about just which "gays" they oppose. Any "gay" who is anti-Israel (Gore Vidal, Justin Raimondo, perhaps Arafat himself) are embraced as allies just as enthusiastically as anti-Zionist Communists who are hailed as "honest" Communists (because the Jews who "created Communism" lost control of their creation and it fell into the hands of people they could not control). This blatantly eliminates both Communism and homosexuality as genuine issues in the "palaeoconservative" community. Each and every single appeal to anti-Communism and anti-homosexuality is proved by these stances of theirs to be thoroughly and completely dishonest and fraudulent. (BTW, I have come to believe that he same people who support Communism when it has been turned against its "creators" also place capitalism and Monotheism in the category of things created to "subvert" the west but which Jews now "oppose" because it has been inculturated by its intended "victims." Don't expect any lying "palaeo" to admit this is his view of religion, however.)

But now let's cut to the nitty-gritty. Some of these people (and I know through personal correspondence), even those who actually consistently take moral positions (assuming such "palaeos" actually exist) take these positions for the exact same reason that Alan Dershowitz supports "social justice"--ie, either groundless personal "hang-ups" or for the practical reason that morality "works" while immorality is corrosive.

Now a certain "palaeocon" who shall be nameless has told me that he defines conservatism by traditional vs. radical (which certainly makes more sense than the nonsensical "big vs. small government" thing one hears so often). The thing is, this person does not believe in HaShem. He "opposes" homosexuality (when not advocated or practiced by a fellow Jew-hater) for some non-Theistic reason. And the thing is, while this fellow thinks he is the exact opposite of Dershowitz to me they are the same thing. They are non-Theistic moralists, and "non-Theistic morality" is an oxymoron. It doesn't matter if the non-Theistic morality advocated is "traditional" or "radical." Do you hear that, some of you freaking Nazi lurkers??? IT DOESN'T MATTER. The whole purpose of opposing homosexuality is to acknowledge HaShem. And the very idea of some denier of HaShem advocating "morality" because their stupid subjective guts tell them homosexuality is wrong (rather than simply submitting to the decrees of HaShem) is ridiculous. No "palaeoconservative" therefore, can be said to advocate "morality" since "morality" is based on the decrees of the Jewish G-d. Similarly Dershowitz cannot advocate "justice" since G-d defines this is well. Dershowitz and these people are ultimately the same, however many people that offends. Anti-Semitic "morality" is merely another form of atheistic "social justice."

I want to thank you also for posting genuine Jewish information on the Bible as well, Alouette. The biggest secret in the world is that Orthodox Judaism is the most "Biblical fundamentalist" religion on earth. Unfortunately even most Orthodox Jewish rhetoric aimed at the non-Jewish world awards only "tolerance," despite the fact that the "tolerant" people are the very ones who deny the Divine origin of the Holy Torah. If the true Orthodox Jewish concept of the Bible ever becomes generally known I believe that there will be a stampede out of confused, liberal, decadent, decaying, liberal chr*stianity and to Nochut. Unfortunately, the "tolerance" rhetoric imply that Judaism is Biblically liberal so most people never learn. As I said, it's the biggest secret in the world.

Once again, Alouette, thank you for taking the stands you do, for doing so publically, and in the name of the G-d and Torah of Israel. My apologies again for the tardiness of this post.

In closing (and with regard to the recent Supreme Court decision here in America), perhaps some day a liberal "rights" organization will challenge the laws against murder on the grounds that they merely enforce a sectarian religious taboo. After all, that's what morality is. And without G-d "thou shalt not kill" is as imaginary as Dershowitz's G-dless "justice" or the "palaeos'" G-dless "morality."

Shabbat shalom.

29 posted on 06/26/2003 7:33:11 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (G-d's laws or NONE!!!)
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