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'Intelligent design' theory threatens science classrooms
Seattle Post Intelligencer ^
| 11/22/2002
| ALAN I. LESHNER
Posted on 06/22/2003 5:29:39 PM PDT by Aric2000
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To: ApesForEvolution
What's really sad is that most evotards I know would buy the space ship explanation if given a choice of their Creator (the truth) or extra-terrestials.And their invoking extraterrestials as a genesis force merely begs the question--it doesn't answer it. They avoid the truth with more blind faith and stubborness than the most zealous fundamenalist Christian embraces the Gospel.
To: Aric2000
To: Kevin Curry
"They avoid the truth with more blind faith and stubborness than the most zealous fundamenalist Christian embraces the Gospel."
That's because their crap religion is all they have.
I bet they're a real blast come Christmas.....
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:10:50 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
To: goodseedhomeschool
"They hate us because what we are saying violate their religion (evolution). It is hard to discover they have been taught a lie all their lives. They will defend it to the end."
Of course! Evolution is to Secular Humanism and its new age relatives what Creation is to believers. We are both believers basically. Only, the danger of denying creation, so as to deny the Creator and assume there is no personal responsibility to Him, is an eternally bad mistake. I don't preach to evotard activists, I just have fun at their expense as they 'preach' to everyone else about the big evolie.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:11:57 PM PDT
by
ApesForEvolution
("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
To: lilDuce
And what would you suggest is the critical scientific knowledge that would be missing for most of our poor darlings? I would suggest that for most students it doesn't matter for their future education or careers whether they are taught evolution, ID, or absolutely nothing regarding origins. I believe that the reason this is always attacked so vigorously by the evolution backers is another agenda that has very little to do with science education.
To: goodseedhomeschool
Actually, my kids go to private school. Private Catholic school.
Evolution is not religion. My head nearly exploded reading some of these posts.
Evolution is a part of science. We know this. Otherwise my husband wouldn't be a published cancer researcher. Evolution has aspects that spills over into many fields of science.
Sorry Homeschool Mom. But you are posting to God believing research doctorates. Evolution is science, Religion is morales.
You may all throw the rotting vegetables to the door as I close it on this thread.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:15:22 PM PDT
by
Calpernia
(Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for all your actions.)
To: Rudder
Evolutionary theory is well-supported by scientific evidence (data). No, it is not. It has years of propaganda and indoctrination behind it, but little (if any) reliable "proof." Even the pro-evos on this board often concede this dark little secret. The strongest support for evolution is a pre-existing rejection of God. Since there is no God, it must have happened somehow. There is no proof in the fossil record, there is no proof in nature. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Now, of course, we will have our posters with their highly speculative "proofs" come on the board, but Darwin was right when he stated there must be enormous evidence in the fossil record to support his theory, and that the absence of such evidence was a huge problem for himt. He thought it would prove out over time. Over a hundred years later, it hasn't. If evolution by speciation were true, it should show itself everywhere and there would be no debate.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:16:31 PM PDT
by
Timmy
To: ApesForEvolution
I tried to argue my point but some of them frankly wear me out. Now I just try to keep my posts short and sweet. I wish I could state my case better, but I type slowly and they just use that as a weakness and never really try to hear what I am saying. I enjoy reading your posts, keep up the good work. Blessings to you. :)
To: ALS
Lies always fear the truth. Lies always need lies to further themselves.
To: Calpernia
Can you explain exactly how an acceptance of macro evolution enabled your husband's cancer research? Or, to say it another way, do you suppose that there are no successful cancer researchers (or fill in the blank with another science) that do not buy into evolution?
To: Calpernia
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:20:24 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
To: Calpernia
I am sorry your head exploded. In your opinion "evolution is part of science", that does not make it so, even if your husband is in cancer research. My great uncle works for NASA, but he does not believe in evolution. I guess we disagree you and I, and it's ok.
To: AmericaUnited
"Lies always fear the truth. Lies always need lies to further themselves."
Now where have I heard that before?
Oh yeah, no wonder they hate the Good Book.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:21:15 PM PDT
by
ALS
(http://designeduniverse.conservababes.com)
To: lilDuce
Just dont bring that superstitious tripe in to our public schools and institutions of higher learning.Oh, like "strength through diversity"
it's a choice, not a baby
AIDS is caused by lack of federal funding
CFCs deplete the ozone layer
Global warming will flood all coastlines within 50 years
We must save the planet
I agree that its best that schools only teach immutable facts such as the above...
< /sarcasm>
To: Aric2000
There are MILLIONS MORE fossils now, and the transitionals, oh, my goodness, are THERE!!! Aric, I went to your home page. Great stuff. We're pretty much on the same page on most things. But, on this debate, you need to back up your statements. Jorge is right in everything he has said. He has backed it up. You go "Nyahh, nyahh, nyahh." That won't cut it. Either support your argument, or back off.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:23:41 PM PDT
by
Timmy
To: Jorge
But I will never go back to believing evolution again. It is an extremely embarrassing page in my life. Well, since I won't ever go back to being a creationist again, I suppose it all balances out, doesn't it?
By the way, since you have cited all of those quotes in your previous articles I assume that you have access to all of those quotes you listed. Could you provide the context to the quotes by Stanley in post #41, and by the Field Museum in #31. I assume since you've cited them that you have access to the materials themselves...don't you? They are very obscure, and as such, I must ask. Thanks for any help you can give.
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:23:59 PM PDT
by
ThinkPlease
(Fortune Favors the Bold!)
To: Timmy
Evolutionary theory is well-supported by scientific evidence (data).
The term, support, does not convey "proof" as they are used in a scientific sense. Unfortunatly, you confound the two and then proceed with rebuttal based upon the confusion. If it's proof you seek, then seek religion. Scientists, in the meantime, will be content with gathering data using the scientific method.
There is no "proof" for the theory of evolution, (as there also is not for other theories) but there are abundant data collected over many, many years which support the theory. Once a theory is proved it is fact. As my old professor told me, "Now that you're embarking upon a career in science, you'll find that facts are very rare and very hard to find."
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:27:26 PM PDT
by
Rudder
To: Rudder
The same facts can be used to support creation as well. I guess it all depends on ones bias.
To: Steel Eye
Scientists use the word "observation" rather than "fact."
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posted on
06/22/2003 7:29:57 PM PDT
by
Junior
("Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you...")
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