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Border-watch group to test high-tech detection
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 24 June 2003 | Ignacio Ibarra

Posted on 06/24/2003 8:58:40 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder

American Border Patrol is seeding a Huachuca Mountain canyon with ground sensors in final preparation for its first operational testing of a tracking system that will also use GPS-guided unmanned drones.

In the testing, the private border-watch group will try to detect, document and then broadcast live images of the flow of illegal border crossers trekking across a sparsely populated canyon south of Sierra Vista. The area has become a major footpath for illegal border crossers.

American Border Patrol founder Glenn Spencer said the location was selected after area residents approached his group seeking help in curbing the ongoing flow of illegal entrants crossing through their properties. Spencer said he intends to demonstrate that the use of relatively low-cost technology to detect and intercept illegal entrants is possible, while providing some immediate relief to frustrated property owners.

From their home in the Huachuca Mountains, Ken Allison and his wife have watched large groups of illegal immigrants pour over their property as they descend from the mountain footpaths they use to avoid the U.S. Border Patrol and link up with smuggler's vehicles on nearby Arizona 92.

Allison said that after years of frustration with the U.S. Border Patrol's response, Spencer's plan "offers a hope that something can be changed."

"If they do succeed, it will probably make things better for us," he said. "But the more important thing is that the information they gather be used."

The camera-equipped, pilotless aircraft program resulted in international attention for Spencer's group when testing began last April.

But Spencer said the heart of the detection system is ground sensors equipped with a specially modified seismic microphone capable of detecting a human footstep.

As of Monday, American Border Patrol had installed more than a half-dozen sensors. The group expects to have at least 25 in the ground by the end of the week and 50 within a month along trails popular with illegal entrants cutting through private property between the Huachuca Mountains' southeastern slope and the San Pedro River.

By year's end, Spencer said up to 500 sensors could be in place throughout Southern Arizona and as many as five of the group's drones, called Border Hawk aircraft, could be in operation.

The information the sensors provide will be relayed to the U.S. Border Patrol so agents can be dispatched to intercept individuals or groups. Spencer's group plans to monitor, and publicize, the agency's response.

The group's drones, remote-controlled planes about 5 feet long, would be dispatched to the triggered sensor, going into a pre-programmed search pattern. The aircraft can stay airborne for up to 90 minutes and have an operating radius of about 15 miles. They cost between $10,000 and $20,000, depending on their equipment, Spencer said.

Frank Amarillas, a spokesman for the U.S. Border Patrol, said the agency does not respond to statements or activities of groups like Spencer's.

In general, Amarillas said, "the Border Patrol appreciates the efforts of nongovernmental organizations and members of the general public, however discourages private parties from taking matters into their own hands."

For people wanting to help someone in distress, the best course of action is to contact the appropriate law enforcement authority and "refrain from providing transportation or other assistance . . . that may be viewed as furtherance of illegal entry." That, he said, could result in prosecution.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: abp; aliens; border; domesticdrones; drones; dronesabp; dronesbp; dronesus; gps; immigrantlist; sensors

1 posted on 06/24/2003 8:58:41 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder
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To: Free the USA; Libertarianize the GOP; B4Ranch; madfly; FITZ; Reaganwuzthebest; hsmomx3; ...
Ping!

And let the games begin!
2 posted on 06/24/2003 8:59:48 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
For people wanting to help someone in distress, the best course of action is to contact the appropriate law enforcement authority and "refrain from providing transportation or other assistance . . . that may be viewed as furtherance of illegal entry." That, he said, could result in prosecution.

Whoa...tell THAT to Rev. Robin Hoover, Jim Cooper, and other people aiding and abetting the invaders.

See here and here for more evidence of people providing "furtherance of illegal entry".

3 posted on 06/24/2003 9:11:25 AM PDT by Spiff (Liberalism is a mental illness - a precursor disease to terminal Socialism.)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
no reason for the goverment employees to get an attitude about it.

if the border patrol were not incompetent, civilian patrols would not be necessary.

4 posted on 06/24/2003 9:15:33 AM PDT by liberalnot (what democrats fear is real democracy. /s)
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To: JackelopeBreeder
Perhaps they could post up a web site?
It wouldn't be too hard to link up a web cam with the data feed. An "illegal-alien" cam would be hilarious. Imagine congressman sitting around in their offices watching Mexicans (and who else?) walking across the border live on the internet.
5 posted on 06/24/2003 9:25:57 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: JackelopeBreeder
"...the Border Patrol... discourages private parties from taking matters into their own hands."

Because they hate to be shown-up?

6 posted on 06/24/2003 9:25:58 AM PDT by Redbob
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To: glorgau
The video will be streaming on www.americanborderpatrol.com. We've already been streaming video from our ground operations for months.
7 posted on 06/24/2003 9:31:01 AM PDT by JackelopeBreeder (Proud to be a loco gringo armed vigilante terrorist cucaracha.)
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To: liberalnot
I really don't think the Border Patrol is incompetent. I think they have been overwhelmed with the amount of illegals.

However, we will soon find out with the pictures coming in.

It is interesting that they called Spencer's group a NGO.
8 posted on 06/24/2003 9:33:57 AM PDT by texastoo
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To: Spiff; JackelopeBreeder; SandRat
Oh, man, Spiff, you beat me to it!!!

The BP's spokesman, Mr. Amarillas, just opened the door for federal criminal complaints against the likes of the Humane Borders people!!
9 posted on 06/24/2003 9:35:11 AM PDT by HiJinx (The Right person, in the Right place, at the Right time...)
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To: texastoo
i live in socal.

many of us, including u.s. representative daryl issa, resent passing thru' the temecula and san onofre check stations when the border patrol produces little positive results.

it's a waste of our time.

both the 5 and the 15 are 8 lane freeways at those points. this means that both 4 north-bound lanes back up for MILES!

if the border patrol were not incompetent, they would remove these posts and place these employees to lessen being overwhelmed, to use your word.
10 posted on 06/24/2003 9:39:55 AM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: glorgau
Perhaps they could post up a web site?

They've sent video live over the internet periodically. Take a look at this archived example.

There also may be some links here.

11 posted on 06/24/2003 9:42:02 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: texastoo
I am waiting for Fr to be labeled an NGO.
12 posted on 06/24/2003 9:42:47 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: liberalnot
if the border patrol were not incompetent, civilian patrols would not be necessary.

The Border Patrol is not incompetent.

If civilian patrols had to follow the same policy and regulations sent down from Washington, then they would be ineffective also.

The problem is in Washington, not the Border Patrol.

13 posted on 06/24/2003 9:44:30 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: Marine Inspector
the border patrol is incompetent.

14 posted on 06/24/2003 9:45:14 AM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: liberalnot
many of us, including u.s. representative daryl issa, resent passing thru' the temecula and san onofre check stations when the border patrol produces little positive results.

During an eight-month period in 2001, agents working at checkpoints nationwide arrested 81,124 aliens, criminals, and other law violators and seized over 365,808 pounds of marijuana and cocaine.

Sounds like your misinformed.

15 posted on 06/24/2003 9:51:21 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: liberalnot
the border patrol is incompetent.

Do you have facts to back up that assertion?

16 posted on 06/24/2003 9:54:47 AM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: Marine Inspector
excuse me, i've lived in southern california for 20 years.

we live daily with border patrol incompetence.

oh, i get it!

once i criticized the oil industry on this forum. all hell broke loose from the wife of an oil industry employee. how dare i criticize the oil industry?

in a "republic" people have the right to express their opinions, whether it offends you or not.

bye.
17 posted on 06/24/2003 9:58:05 AM PDT by liberalnot (democrats fear democracy. /s)
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To: texastoo
It is interesting that they called Spencer's group a NGO.

It's good that the group is a non-governmental organization. If they were being supported by the government, who the heck would trust them? American Border Patrol looks to be telling the truth, whereas this government is an ongoing lie.

The BP agents on the ground do the best they can with what they are provided. They aren't the problem, IMO.

18 posted on 06/24/2003 10:01:14 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: holyscroller; Spiff; HiJinx; flamefront; Drill Alaska; healey22; lutine; Right_Makes_Might; ...
FYI Ping!!!!
19 posted on 06/24/2003 10:02:07 AM PDT by Tancredo Fan (Stop the invasion. Put the military on the borders, round up illegals, and tell Fox to shove off.)
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To: liberalnot
The check points are too far inland. That is the fault of the government not the Border Patrol. All the smugglers know the back roads around these.

20 posted on 06/24/2003 10:02:52 AM PDT by texastoo
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To: JackelopeBreeder
I would love to see the video feed of the unending crossing of illegal aliens on Fox News. I'll write to O'Reilly.
21 posted on 06/24/2003 10:10:10 AM PDT by janetgreen
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To: Tancredo Fan
You have an email
22 posted on 06/24/2003 10:13:16 AM PDT by texastoo
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To: PatrioticAmerican
I am waiting for Fr to be labeled an NGO.

I'm waiting for FR to become a government itself.

-archy-/-

23 posted on 06/24/2003 10:31:25 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Tancredo Fan
The BP agents on the ground do the best they can with what they are provided. They aren't the problem, IMO.

Some of them aren't. Some are.

I wish we could say that most are not only not the problem, but the largest part of the solution, as it once was. They were once the most prestigious uniformed federal law enforcement agency going, and it'd be nice to see them deservedly earn that respect again.

But that's outside of their capability so long as their hands are tied by their political masters, making them a politically correct lapdog for Mexican governmental interests and well-connected drug pushers working both sides of the border.

-archy-/-

24 posted on 06/24/2003 10:36:47 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: liberalnot
the border patrol is incompetent.

Too many of them, and those in supervisory positions appear to not only keep the incompetent ones in place but advance their careers for political reasons. But those doing the job on a day-to-day basis are the real experts on what's going on, and are often going outside the rulebook at the risk of their own professional careers to try and do something to slow the flood.

Of course, the 10 million illegal entrants already within our borders now have sufficient numbers to do great damage without additional treinforcements. That little detail needs to be attended to as well.

-archy-/-

25 posted on 06/24/2003 10:42:46 AM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: liberalnot
we live daily with border patrol incompetence.

So, post some of the facts. Should be easy for you.

oh, i get it!

No, I don't think you do.

If you have proof of this so-called incompetence, then post it.

26 posted on 06/24/2003 2:40:40 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: archy
We can only dream.

I want to be the firearms marshall. All shall be required to shoot and share their toys with others. ;>

27 posted on 06/24/2003 4:57:07 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican (If the only way an American can get elected is through Mexican votes, we have a war to be waged.)
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To: HiJinx
From your lips to God's ears, . . . . and Ashcroft's action!
28 posted on 06/24/2003 9:20:11 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Marine Inspector
f you have proof of this so-called incompetence, then post it.

You've spoken of your management's incompetence often...make up your mind.

30 posted on 06/24/2003 10:07:02 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: PRND21
You've spoken of your management's incompetence often...make up your mind.

My mind is made up.

Unfortunately, this liberal can't provide facts to his accusations.

His claim is that everyone in BP is incompetent, and all check points are ineffective, I've proven him wrong already and am giving him another shot.

I doubt he'll take it.

31 posted on 06/24/2003 10:21:25 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: Stoner
All should remember that come election time!

I will.

32 posted on 06/24/2003 10:21:54 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: Marine Inspector
Fair enough...stay safe, M.I.
33 posted on 06/24/2003 10:28:20 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: HiJinx
There's a group of Marxists who stage pickets at the U.N. Plaza in San Francisco (a 'sanctuary' city) to push for the 'rights' of indigenous peoples to travel freely across the border.
34 posted on 06/24/2003 10:30:29 PM PDT by Cultural Jihad
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To: PRND21
stay safe, M.I.

Will do. Have good evening.

35 posted on 06/24/2003 10:38:04 PM PDT by Marine Inspector (DHS BCBP II)
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To: Marine Inspector
I heard recently on the news that with so much pressure presented by these brave, patriotic, border watchers that quite a bit of the illegal invasion has moved to New Mexico and Texas. I wonder if that is true.
36 posted on 06/24/2003 10:49:44 PM PDT by MissAmericanPie
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