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Why Davis deserves to be recalled
San Diego Union Tribune ^ | June 20, 2003 | Joseph Perkins

Posted on 06/25/2003 9:34:21 AM PDT by Jimbaugh

Why Davis deserves to be recalled
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/op-ed/perkins/20030620-9999_mz1e20perkin.html

Joseph Perkins
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE
June 20, 2003

Gray Davis is a dead man walking. The most unpopular governor in California history very well could become the first occupant of the state's highest office to be recalled by the voters.

Davis suggests that the recall campaign – which he previously dismissed as quixotic – is nothing more than a nefarious attempt by Republicans to overturn the result of California's last gubernatorial election.

" It's being organized and financed by a bunch of rich losers," Davis told The Orange County Register. "Nothing but a bunch of losers running around talking to one another.

His Grayness is particularly ticked off at Rep. Darrell Issa, the Vista Republican, the multimillionaire car-alarm magnate, the prospective gubernatorial candidate, who has ponied up more than $800,000 to gather signatures for the recall petition.

" He just wants to run for governor on the cheap," Davis sneered, in recent remarks to a San Francisco radio station.

But the Davis recall would not be headed to the California ballot – either this fall or next spring – were it supported exclusively by the state's Republican minority. No matter how many hundreds of thousands or even millions of dollars Issa spent on signature gathering.

Indeed, recall drives have been waged against California governors on 31 previous occasions. All failed. In fact, not even one proposed recall made it all the way to the state ballot.

Davis faces the ignominy of actually facing a recall election, of becoming only the second governor in U.S. history to actually be recalled, because of his unfavorable standing among California residents across the board.

That was borne by a recent poll released by the Public Policy Institute of California, a San Francisco think tank. It found that the Democrat's approval rating has fallen to a historic low of 21 percent. It also found that most of the Golden State's likely voters can hardly wait to kick Davis to the curb, including not only an overwhelming majority of Republicans, but also half of independent voters and a third of the governor's fellow Democrats.

So why has his Grayness fallen into such broad and deep disfavor with the California electorate? Because he has grossly mismanaged the Golden State's affairs.

Indeed, in the space of roughly a year and a half, Davis turned a record $12 billion state budget surplus into a record $34.8 billion deficit. He insists that it was not his fault, that the state economy simply went bust.

But the fact is, under Davis' watch, the state government increased its spending a whopping 36 percent – far in excess of inflation, far outpacing growth in California's population. Had the governor resisted the urge to spend, to buy off special interests like California's powerful teachers union, the state would not now be facing the mother of all budget crises.

California would not be borrowing billions of dollars on Wall Street to pay its bills, downgrading its bond rating to one the nation's lowest. And the state's taxpayers would not be facing the prospect of surrendering even more of their paychecks to Sacramento to close the budget gap that Davis and the spendthrift legislature created.

Davis' mismanagement of the state's budget is matched only by his mishandling of the state's recent electricity crisis.

He did not cause the crisis, as he so often reminds. But his failure to lead when the crisis first reared itself cost California businesses and residents tens of billions of dollars in higher electricity prices.

Indeed, Davis got an early warning of looming trouble in the electricity market in the form of sharply rising wholesale power costs, as the Sacramento Bee's Dan Walters recounted this past spring.

" California utility executives begged Davis and state utility regulators to allow them to raise rates and sign long-term supply contracts," according to Walters, but they "delayed for six critical months, until the utilities had their financial backs to the wall."

Had Davis been a real leader, had he gotten the state's utility regulators to act sooner rather than later, California taxpayers wouldn't have gotten stuck with more than $40 billion worth of highly unfavorable long-term contracts with energy generators. And California residents wouldn't be facing higher electricity prices than consumers in almost every other state.

Opponents of the Davis recall, including not only the governor's hardcore Democratic loyalists, but also a few Republican pragmatists, say his ouster will plunge the state into political chaos. But the state already is in chaos, not the least because Davis lacks the leadership prowess to navigate California out of the fiscal abyss into which he steered it.

A new governor, lacking the albatross Gray Davis has draped around his neck, could hardly do any worse. And there's a good chance that his successor would do a considerably better job as California's chief executive.

Perkins can be reached via e-mail at joseph.perkins@uniontrib.com.



TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Editorial; Government; US: California
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1 posted on 06/25/2003 9:34:22 AM PDT by Jimbaugh
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To: Jimbaugh
Davis deserves it, but it's stupid political strategy. If the new governor is a Republican, the Dems in the legislature will savatage him at every step. He will become the most hated politician in CA, and the GOP will become an even smaller minority party in the next election.

The Dems made a fine bed. Now we need to force them to sleep in it. By 2006, the voters will hate them so much that our chances of gaining both the governorship and the state legislature will be high.

2 posted on 06/25/2003 9:42:12 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: Jimbaugh
I'll weigh in on this too. The worst thing that could result from this recall effort is for the recall to succeed. It's a golden opportunity for the Republicans to cover themselves with the same disgraceful ignominy that covers Davis.

I don't blame anyone for wanting to recall Davis. But it's a bad mistake, especially with the Republican party in disarray, Simon probably out of it, and that corrupt idiot Gerald Parsky running the party.
3 posted on 06/25/2003 9:49:08 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: traditionalist
I agree. The recall is a ill advised move for Republicans. As much as I dislike Doofus, he should be the Guv until the next election.
4 posted on 06/25/2003 9:49:30 AM PDT by Nachum
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To: traditionalist; Jimbaugh; Cicero; Nachum
FYI, a lot of good FR commentary on this thread: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/935117/posts
5 posted on 06/25/2003 9:51:40 AM PDT by eureka! (Rats and Presstitutes lie--they have to in order to survive.....)
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To: Jimbaugh
California deserves every stinking moment Gray Davis is in office. They voted for the guy, and if they had their way, Gore would be President. No, I say let the man serve out his term just like his idiotic constituency wanted him to. This is just a lesson in being carefull what you wish for.
6 posted on 06/25/2003 9:59:56 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: traditionalist; Cicero
The Dems will fall prey to their own assumed political brillance..they'll induce davis to resign...Bustamonte wiull take over, the recall will be moot, and because the dems control the legislature, California's economic problems will worsen...enough to piss off a lot a folks inthe state, so that W carries in in 04, and even better Boxer loses...and the GOP makes inroads in the State legislature.....remember, these are the same political geniuses who gave us the Wellstaone memorial service..
7 posted on 06/25/2003 10:02:28 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: ken5050
I hope you're right, but I fear the Dems are too smart for that. They know that a recall is good for them and bad for us.
8 posted on 06/25/2003 10:11:15 AM PDT by traditionalist
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To: traditionalist
They are incapable of giving up power...they will do anything to get Davis to resign, to moot the recall...they can't think in bigger strategic steps.....Davis will resign, Bistamonte will succeed, the Dems will claim how they outsmarted the GOP, and it will blow up in their faces big time in the '04 election...
9 posted on 06/25/2003 10:15:09 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: Cicero
Something about holding politicians accountable makes me hope this recall succeeds.

In long run, does anyone really care if Davis is recalled or not?

10 posted on 06/25/2003 10:17:52 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: traditionalist
He will become the most hated politician in CA, and the GOP will become an even smaller minority party in the next election.

This is not a popularity contest. You are thinking like a liberal. It a job of governence, and important one when it is mismanaged to the degree it has been, "forcing" tax increases the likes of which no state has ever seen.

The Dems made a fine bed. Now we need to force them to sleep in it. By 2006, the voters will hate them so much that our chances of gaining both the governorship and the state legislature will be high.

Excuse me, Massachusettes citizen, this may be an entertaining political sport for you out of staters, but you are forcing me to sleep in that bed. 'Splain to me what magical transformation is going to take place in 2006? By your own defeatist logic, cutting back the yearly increases in spending of 41% by that time will appear to be even larger "cuts" than they do now. That will make the new Gov "savatage"d at even more steps, and the uber most hated politician in CA.

Think this through, your logic does not make any sense.

11 posted on 06/25/2003 10:55:12 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: Cicero
It's a golden opportunity for the Republicans to cover themselves with the same disgraceful ignominy that covers Davis.

It is a golden opportunity to cut spending by 9.5% and hold it at the current rate for 18 months, eliminating the debt. Read here

I don't need to explain the political fallout of a governor stablizing and fixing this artificial crisis.

Simon probably out of it,

That's fine, because we are voting for McClintock.and that corrupt idiot Gerald Parsky running the party.

No arguements here. He is quietly opposing the recall, which should be a litmus that the Recall will a resounding succeed because Parsky couldn't punch his way out of a paper bag.

12 posted on 06/25/2003 11:00:38 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: SpaceBar
California deserves every stinking moment Gray Davis is in office. They voted for the guy, and if they had their way, Gore would be President. I say let the man serve out his term just like his idiotic constituency wanted him to

I hope everyone reading this is paying attention, because this is the primary out-of-state-er motivation for opposing the recall as I am seeing it; irrational hatred of the people of California.

I didn't vote for the guy, he campaigned on a lie that the deficit was about half what it is, and the conservative that ran against him wasn't supported by the RINO CA GOP won every county in the state, except for 2, San Fran and LA, which gave him a 52-47 win.

Didn't your mother ever tell you if you don't have anything nice to say, keep your mouth shut?

13 posted on 06/25/2003 11:07:38 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
The above is typical of the provincial attitude of most Californians. I was born and raised in that bastion of liberalism, so don't for a nanosecond think this New Mexican isn't acutely aware of the level of ignorance on the left coast. My illustrious state voted Bill Richardson into office, and he can remain there as testimony to the wishes of the majority voting constituency. I have no problem with the reap-sow cycle.
14 posted on 06/25/2003 11:18:28 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Jimbaugh; *calgov2002; PeoplesRep_of_LA; Canticle_of_Deborah; NormsRevenge; snopercod; ...
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15 posted on 06/25/2003 11:26:56 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: SpaceBar
The above is typical of the provincial attitude of most Californians.

Meaning exactly...what? Define this disguised slap.

this New Mexican isn't acutely aware of the level of ignorance on the left coast.

So the Californians are trying to stop a disastrous Lefty, humiliating the Democratic Party and exposing their Tax and Spend platform painfully, appear by all accounts to being well on their way to doing it, and this is your "acute" analysis? hmmmm... that makes no sense. I see the same motive as I said before, a belief that the state is entirely Left, and you would enjoy seeing it destroyed.

My illustrious state voted Bill Richardson

Why do I care? You think this is simple partisanship?

he can remain there as testimony to the wishes of the majority voting constituency

And probably will, you see even I have heard that he is talking about tax CUTS, he certainly won't turn a $12 bil surplus into a -$39 bil deficit by increasing spending 38% every year.

16 posted on 06/25/2003 11:30:16 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: Jimbaugh
Via Davis' attack dogs, I heard something this morning about Issa having some prior arrest record? Know anything about this?
17 posted on 06/25/2003 11:36:02 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: SpaceBar; PeoplesRep_of_LA
California deserves every stinking moment Gray Davis is in office. They voted for the guy, and if they had their way, Gore would be President.

Let's reword this, shall we SpaceBar? America deserves every stinking moment Bill Clinton was in office. They voted for the guy, and if they had their way, Hillary! would be President.

Better?

18 posted on 06/25/2003 11:47:20 AM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America & Israel AND become a monthly donor to Free Republic. Or ELSE!)
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To: cake_crumb
Rep. Issa was charged in San Jose auto theft by Carla Marinucci - SF Chronicle
19 posted on 06/25/2003 11:48:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi..Support FR . "California-Fighting the rising tide of socialism" . http://www.DRAFTTom.com)
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To: Brad's Gramma; SpaceBar
Let's reword this, shall we SpaceBar? America deserves every stinking moment Bill Clinton was in office. They voted for the guy, and if they had their way, Hillary! would be President.

Much better Brad's Gramma. Americans elected a guy who sold nuclear secrets to the Red Chinese, they deserve every nuked city they get.

Stupid Americans, they are all adulterers and neoSocialists, right? I wish those hippies would just have an earthquake and have it fall into the ocean.

its so clear now.

20 posted on 06/25/2003 11:57:17 AM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: cake_crumb
There is an FR thread on the Issa "case" as well.

Issa was charged in San Jose car theft (let the sliming begin!)

21 posted on 06/25/2003 12:00:50 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi..Support FR . "California-Fighting the rising tide of socialism" . http://www.DRAFTTom.com)
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To: NormsRevenge
Ah...thanks.
22 posted on 06/25/2003 12:08:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: NormsRevenge
Funny, innit, that this never came to light during Issa's runs for congress? The MO is definitely Davis'...but I don't see how it'll work, because the recall isn't about Issa as far as voters are concerned. This is about getting rid of the mad (I don't just say that...I really believe Davis is mental) thief out of office. But Davis thinks this is just a politcal game.
23 posted on 06/25/2003 12:16:53 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
The fact remains that the bulk of California's problems both social and fiscal are due in large part to Californians. Since you choose to live in a smog shrouded, crime ridden, liberal infested example of how cities rot from the inside, then you should live with the consequenses of that choice. Los Angeles, California is not the only place to live, and I'll assume you aren't handcuffed to a radiator. As for your "analogy" regarding Clinton, the answer is a resounding "yes", we (collectively) deserved every agonizing moment of that painful lesson. And regarding your speculation regarding Hillary, it is just that - speculation. Just like the faulty speculation that Gore was to assume the White House in 2000.
24 posted on 06/25/2003 12:29:32 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: traditionalist
Davis deserves it, but it's stupid political strategy.

Not doing the right thing because it's inconvenient makes one just like the Dims - contemptful of doing right and prone to self-servitude, which is a disgraceful breaking of the trust of those that elected you.

25 posted on 06/25/2003 12:35:07 PM PDT by trebb
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Much better Brad's Gramma. Americans elected a guy who sold nuclear secrets to the Red Chinese, they deserve every nuked city they get. Stupid Americans, they are all adulterers and neoSocialists, right? I wish those hippies would just have an earthquake and have it fall into the ocean." its so clear now.

I would also suggest a keyboard spittle guard for your more hyperbolic moments.
26 posted on 06/25/2003 12:36:44 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: traditionalist
By 2006, the voters will hate them so much that our chances of gaining both the governorship and the state legislature will be high.

By 2006 Davis would have figured out how to buy back the state employees and unions. And the legislature redistricting has 'fixed' the incumbents for life.

27 posted on 06/25/2003 12:37:42 PM PDT by cinFLA
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To: NormsRevenge
Forget it. I see from the other thread that it DID come out during one campaign.
28 posted on 06/25/2003 12:44:27 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: cake_crumb
It shows ya how desperate the demRats and Davi$ are.. :-)
29 posted on 06/25/2003 12:47:37 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi..Support FR . "California-Fighting the rising tide of socialism" . http://www.DRAFTTom.com)
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To: SpaceBar
California deserves every stinking moment Gray Davis is in office

There are still some of us conservatives here in CA, but we're being outnumbered. Many of us worked our butts off trying to unseat Davis, but he had the hispanic vote, and that put him over the top.

30 posted on 06/25/2003 12:50:36 PM PDT by janetgreen
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Let me ask you something: assuming all goes as planned by people in favor of a recall, and a republican takes over in the place of Grayout--heck, let's go one step further and say a REAL conservative and not some RINO--why do you believe he alone could magically solve the state's budget crisis, with the legislature dominated by leftists? And why do you believe that suddenly everyone would blame the *legislature*, and not the new guv if efforts to fix the crisis don't go smoothly?

Look, I live in state and signed the recall petition, but I'm concerned that there's plenty of potential this could backfire--even if we (miraculously) get who we want as the new guv. Maybe I'm a pessimist, but it sure seems likely with a lib-dominated legislature the solution will *never* consist entirely of cutting the budget. (And by the way, the RINOs in the legislature have been just as spineless at pushing cuts as the dems--inexcusable!).

Finally--let's be honest. Grayout is incompetent, but he was not 100% responsible for the power crisis. He certainly screwed the pooch in his handling of it, but the root causes were in place before he got into office, and like it or not, many power companies arbitraged the flawed dereg environment at great cost to the state.

Anyway, I'd like to see the recall succeed if for no other reason that the additional disgrace it would bring to Grayout. Beyond that it's anyone's guess whether this will help or harm California--and conservatives.

31 posted on 06/25/2003 12:50:54 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar (Member, amalgamated association of morons, local 6 7/8)
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To: SpaceBar; Brad's Gramma
Since you choose to live in a smog shrouded, crime ridden, liberal infested example of how cities rot from the inside, then you should live with the consequenses of that choice. Los Angeles, California is not the only place to live,

I was waaaaaay wrong about your bitterness concerning CA. In fact, you are in fact in need of professional counseling to get over your trauma growing up here.

and I'll assume you aren't handcuffed to a radiator

For once, one of your comical "assumptions" is correct. I chose to live in LA. The smog comes and goes, I am no victim of this crime you are ranting about, and because I use logic rather than emotion as you have come to conclusions about California's fate, what liberals I do run into don't bother me.

In fact, at work I have carefully let my politics come to light, only to find out half the office listens to talk radio and is a closet conservative themselves. We all greatly fear voicing our beliefs because of stereotypes about California, but as we did we realized we were the majority.

Course I don't have to tell you anything about stereotyping, SpaceBar.

32 posted on 06/25/2003 12:51:04 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
"I am no victim of this crime you are ranting about..."

No, you only think you aren't a victim. Every paycheck you earn or insurance premium you pay is evidence to the contrary. Somebody pays the financial burden of crime, and the trail leads from Sacramento right to your wallet.
33 posted on 06/25/2003 12:59:06 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
No, you only think you aren't a victim

No, I am proud to say "I am not a victim" everyday. Words to live by.

After all my points, that was the best you got?

34 posted on 06/25/2003 1:04:58 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: Jimbaugh
saw this creepy bit of fascism on DUmpster Diving.
*These are paid petitioners bought by rethuglican Issa's four million plus dollars (his money) campaign for governor.
******

Watch for Petition Collectors
• As you go about your daily routines (driving to and from work, shopping, going to the movies, the doctor, etc.), keep your eyes open for recall petitioners at all times.
• The most important thing you can do is provide us feedback about where and when signature gathering efforts are occurring, call us at (213) 382-4111.

Engage the Petition Collectors - If you see recall petitioners, here's what to do:
• Engage them in conversation; the longer they talk to you, the less time they have to collect signatures, they have a limited period of time to collect over 1 million signatures.
• Ask what petitions they are carrying.
• It is important to determine if they are only carrying the recall petitions or if they also have the anti-recall petition and others.
• If they tell you they have the "Save Our Teachers" or "Evaluate the Recall Process" petition, ask them to show it to you.
• Note: There is no "Save Our Teachers" petition. This is our anti-recall petition. The signature collector is "double dipping." They are trying to get people to sign both the recall and the anti-recall petitions so they can make more money.
• Remember, the longer you engage them, the fewer signatures they can collect.
• Do not attempt to provoke or get into a physical confrontation with signature gatherers. We do not want you to be arrested.
Take Action
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• Counter them with the anti-recall petition; it is OK to stand in front of their table or approach potential signers before they do, or otherwise inhibit their activity.
• Distribute the "Who's Behind the Recall" leaflet.
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REPORT RECALL ACTIVITY TO OUR HOTLINE - ASAP!

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35 posted on 06/25/2003 1:08:29 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: HassanBenSobar
let's go one step further and say a REAL conservative and not some RINO--why do you believe he alone could magically solve the state's budget crisis,

Because, luckily for us, the state budget crisis is entirely manufactured. No matter how many times Davis repeats the matra, we DON'T have a revenue problem. We should count our blessing. Don't let me tell you, read what State Senator McClintock saying about the situation. The Governor sets the agenda, even more so that the President. Look what Bush did, instead of talking about tax increases to "fix" the national deficit, we were all talking about spending cuts. The Democratic response became which things to cut, or how they were going to cut differently. Sure they are a slight minority nationally, but once the conversation has changed, they don't DARE bring up their real platform. The state is different, you need 2/3rd to get a budget through, and the GOP can dig in til they send the Gov a budget that simply doesn't call for spending INCREASES.

Maybe I'm a pessimist, but it sure seems likely with a lib-dominated legislature the solution will *never* consist entirely of cutting the budget.

I understand that you are a pessimist, I used to be one too, its easy to fall into that trap. Particuarly with all the arrogant ranters on here who make you feel dumb when you sound confident and supportive. What tips the balance of power is being informed. Remember how much Feinstein was being thrown in our face? How about the "it'll NEVER get enough signatures" line? I mean, notice how these guys switch the talking points, but never the message; THE RECALL IS BAD. They remind me of Democrates.

(And by the way, the RINOs in the legislature have been just as spineless at pushing cuts as the dems--inexcusable!).

On this point, I couldn't possibly disagree more (and I hate Parsky and the CA establishment). The 16 Republicans in the Senate have indured every kind of strong arm, bribing, manhandling tactic in Sacramento. They have stuck to their principles, they will not go along with a budget that calls for new tax increase. In fact, these Republicans have been saving you from getting new taxes for about the past 3 budgets. Brulte and McClintock have earned and deserve our respect for not caving. More importantly, their actions rather than just their words in the face of so much pressure should provide you with confort in realizing the distinction between CA run by the GOP, and the Donkey.

36 posted on 06/25/2003 1:10:50 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: mabelkitty
Here is the information on who registered the stoptherecall domain name:

Registrant:
Eric Bauman

Registered through: Go Daddy Software (http://www.godaddy.com)
Domain Name: STOPTHERECALL.COM

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.PHPWEBHOSTING.COM
NS2.PHPWEBHOSTING.COM


Do they have California contracts?
37 posted on 06/25/2003 1:11:14 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
"what liberals I do run into don't bother me"

Then perhaps that's where your problem lies: cognitive dissonance. Those liberals who "don't bother you" are the very architects of the mess California is in. Without them, Gray Davis would be managing a PEP-Boys in Laguna Beach.
38 posted on 06/25/2003 1:11:36 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: mabelkitty
Enough!


39 posted on 06/25/2003 1:12:10 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: SpaceBar
The Dems need California in 2004. Without it, they are sunk.
40 posted on 06/25/2003 1:16:33 PM PDT by mabelkitty
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Thanks for the info, esp. the link to McClintock's '3 principles'. Very interesting. I agree, by the way, that the republicans in the legislature have done very well so far blocking new tax increases--for that I'm very grateful.

Perhaps it's my limited attention (or limited media attention) but McClintock's points are the first time I've heard any california politician--conservatives included--suggest a path out of the crisis. Even so: the cuts will have to fall somewhere (even if they are 'cuts': non-increases--a dishonest use of the language that belongs in the liars hall of fame). I still am not hearing from anyone what programs should be cut. Guess that's business as usual, though.

41 posted on 06/25/2003 1:24:50 PM PDT by HassanBenSobar (Member, amalgamated association of morons, local 6 7/8)
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To: SpaceBar
2nd try? Fine.

Way to quote me out of context to apply some sort of psychological disorder when you are the one that needs help for your passionate desire to see the people of CA suffer. Won't work, you are transparent.

Actually the reason Gray is in power is that people like you, fashionably cynical and woefully uninformed keep pushing for CA conservatives to be defeatist, to self doubt, and believe it doesn't matter anyways because California is "soooo" liberal. With record low turnout in the last gubenitorial election, and Gray still losing every county in the state except LA and San Fran, and only winning 52-47, if a few thousand stopped listening to the defeatists like yourself, he would indeed need to work in Laguna Beach.
42 posted on 06/25/2003 1:25:22 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: HassanBenSobar
but McClintock's points are the first time I've heard any california politician--conservatives included--suggest a path out of the crisis

Amazing isn't it? I'm as surprised as you. I think its because almost everyone else involved simply doesn't understand the situation. That is why I am so passionate when I've heard what he said that this is the guy who needs to be the next Gov. Not because he has an 'R' before his name, but because he knows how to fix the problem.

even if they are 'cuts': non-increases--a dishonest use of the language that belongs in the liars hall of fame

I couldn't agree more, one of my biggest pet peeves. I saw this on an earlier thread; "An additional $5.5 billion in so-called "cuts" are the result of the governor adding new spending that is not required by current law, then taking it out again."

I think our greatest asset in this is that Gray is SOO corrupt and spending SOO much on his cronies that other than a few cases their screams will be irrelvant.

43 posted on 06/25/2003 1:30:25 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
After all my points, that was the best you got?

Claiming to have made "points" is quite different from actually making "points". The only "points" you made is that you think only Californians can have valid opinions regarding California. Asserting that you aren't a victim of crime doesn't make it so, and only shows that your limited faculties can't comprehend causality relationships that span space and time beyond your immediate environment. Just because you have been fortunate enough not to have your wallet stolen at gunpoint doesn't mean you aren't a victim, and to suggest otherwise implies that you don't give much thought to exactly where your money goes. As for myself, I silently shed a tear whenever I travel to California. Thirty years ago it was a nice place to live. However those days are gone. The best thing remaining in California are signs visible on major highways that say something to the effect that you are now leaving California when one is travelling in the appropriate direction. Now back to the point of the original article, does Davis deserve to be recalled? You betcha. Should he be recalled? No way, jose. He is a walking advertisement for liberal fiscal mismanagement and incompetance. Let California convulse on their choice of political leadership for the time being. Getting sick after eating something is an excellent motivator for crossing that particular item off one's menu in the future.
44 posted on 06/25/2003 1:37:30 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: NormsRevenge
Davis is sweating. He only sets his dogs loose when he's scared he's gonna lose. There's nothing more vicious than a leftist facing the grim reality that he may REALLY lose power.
45 posted on 06/25/2003 1:40:05 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: janetgreen
There are still some of us conservatives here in CA, but we're being outnumbered.

I'm not unsympathetic to your plight. The best weapon against creeping liberalism is truth. Confront the flawed socialist/collectivist notion wherever you find it. It's a nasty job but somebody's got to do it.
46 posted on 06/25/2003 1:56:00 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar
Now a 3rd try?! OKaaaay.

He is a walking advertisement for liberal fiscal mismanagement and incompetance. Let California convulse on their choice of political leadership for the time being. Getting sick after eating something is an excellent motivator for crossing that particular item off one's menu in the future.

Huh? Help me out here because now I am really confused. California is entirely liberal, and we have addressed how we don't understand your brilliant causal relationships that are currently victimizing us; how are we going to get sick of eating whatever it is that you are talking about? The way I see it, they only thing I can do is cry about it, curse the ground and move to New Mexico. Say...that sounds familiar.

47 posted on 06/25/2003 2:00:41 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: mabelkitty
The Eric Bauman who's the chair of the LA Democratic Party?
48 posted on 06/25/2003 2:14:13 PM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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To: mabelkitty
REPORT RECALL ACTIVITY TO OUR HOTLINE - ASAP!

How Orwellian. Fantastic work, mabelkitty, keep it up the researching.

I might just borrow this in future fighting. This needs to be reposted for every arm chair CA GOP Chairman who's an anti-recaller pooping up FR with theories of how the DNC is secretly supporting the recall because it makes them more powerful if they are out of power, or something.

Your post kills bugs, dead.

49 posted on 06/25/2003 2:21:37 PM PDT by PeoplesRep_of_LA (Governor McClintock in '03!)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
Huh? Help me out here because now I am really confused.

I'm not surprised.

California is entirely liberal

No Einstein. California as a political collective behaves decidedly liberal.

and we have addressed how we don't understand your brilliant causal relationships that are currently victimizing us

You can use the firstperson singular "I" since I'm addressing your own personal shortsightedness at the moment.

how are we going to get sick of eating whatever it is that you are talking about?

I apologise for the use of such convoluted rhetorical techniques such as euphimism or analogy. Had I known you were so dense I would have chosen more direct phraseology.

The way I see it, they only thing I can do is cry about it, curse the ground and move to New Mexico.

The water's fine, and we have conceal carry.
50 posted on 06/25/2003 2:30:01 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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