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300 Sacks Castor Beans Found In Iraq By U.S.Troops[per MSNBC]
MSNBC ^ | June 25, 2003 | vanity

Posted on 06/25/2003 9:14:47 PM PDT by Lady In Blue

I was watching TV this evening and started to flip cable channels when I saw a streaming on MSNBC on our forces finding castor beans. The following is a part of what their website said about it.


NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski that within just the past week, U.S. investigators had found two shipping containers filled with millions of much more recent documents relating to chemical and biological weapons.

One of the documents, from 2001, was titled “Document burial and U.N. activities in Iraq,” the sources said. It gave detailed instructions on how to hide materials and deceive U.N. weapons inspectors, the sources said.

Other documents related to the concealment of VX nerve gas, the sources said.

The sources said U.S. troops also discovered about 300 sacks of castor beans, which are used to make the deadly biological agent ricin, hidden in a warehouse in the town of al-Aziziyah, 50 miles southeast of Baghdad, the capital. The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

U.S. search teams have also been led to a site near Nasiriyah, a key Euphrates River crossing 200 miles south of Baghdad, where Iraqi informants said Scud missiles were buried.


Anybody else see this?


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1 posted on 06/25/2003 9:14:47 PM PDT by Lady In Blue
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To: Big Steve; deport; blackie; Deb; nickcarraway; Salvation; Siobhan; Maeve; PhiKapMom; Miss Marple; ..
ping
2 posted on 06/25/2003 9:16:16 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
Bump, and Thanks!
3 posted on 06/25/2003 9:17:11 PM PDT by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: Lady In Blue
Where's the story.

Clearly it says right there the beans were mislabeled. No ulterior motive. Nosiree.
4 posted on 06/25/2003 9:18:54 PM PDT by Bogey78O (check it out... http://freepers.zill.net/users/bogey78o_fr/puppet.swf)
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To: Lady In Blue
No wonder I never liked castor oil. And mom sid it was good for me...
5 posted on 06/25/2003 9:19:02 PM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: Lady In Blue
Maybe I will be the first :-)

Tom Daschle is "deeply Saddened"

6 posted on 06/25/2003 9:19:32 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Gifted One is Clueless)
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To: Lady In Blue
I wonder what John "Ketchup Boy" Kerry and Howard "Barney Rubble" Dean will say about this ?
7 posted on 06/25/2003 9:22:23 PM PDT by MJY1288 (The Gifted One is Clueless)
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To: Lady In Blue
Wonder what it would take for this to become headline news. Maybe you should forward this article to Hannity for him to address on TV and/or radio. WMDs is a really hot topic to him.
8 posted on 06/25/2003 9:22:43 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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To: Paul Ross
You're welcome Paul. And thanks for the bump.
9 posted on 06/25/2003 9:25:32 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
Here's the story: http://www.msnbc.com/news/931304.asp?0cm=c10

U.S. OFFICIALS said the discoveries were not proof that Iraq had managed to build or obtain banned weapons of mass destruction, as President Bush asserted before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March. But they said the materials, some of which dated back to the first Gulf War, were compelling proof that Saddam was trying actively to acquire such weapons in defiance of the United Nations.

NBC News has learned of several recent discoveries, some within the past week, one related to nuclear weapons and the others to chemical, biological and banned conventional weapons.

Three U.S. officials told NBC’s Andrea Mitchell that an Iraqi scientist who was part of what Saddam called his “nuclear mujahadeen” had led intelligence officials to a barrel in the back yard of his home in Baghdad, where they found plans for a gas centrifuge and components of a uranium enrichment system.

The Associated Press, citing a U.S. intelligence official, identified the scientist later as Mahdi Shukur Obeidi, who headed Iraq’s program to make centrifuges that would enrich uranium for nuclear weapons before the 1991 Gulf War. NBC’s sources said the plans dated back to the end of the Gulf War, when Saddam was already widely known to be seeking such weapons, and came as no great surprise.

CHEMICAL, BIOLOGICAL WEAPONS

The more significant discoveries were related to Saddam’s attempts to rebuild chemical and biological arsenals like those he was known to have used during the Iran-Iraq War of the late 1980s, when he was supported by the U.S. government.

Sources told NBC News’ Jim Miklaszewski that within just the past week, U.S. investigators had found two shipping containers filled with millions of much more recent documents relating to chemical and biological weapons.

One of the documents, from 2001, was titled “Document burial and U.N. activities in Iraq,” the sources said. It gave detailed instructions on how to hide materials and deceive U.N. weapons inspectors, the sources said.

Other documents related to the concealment of VX nerve gas, the sources said.

The sources said U.S. troops also discovered about 300 sacks of castor beans, which are used to make the deadly biological agent ricin, hidden in a warehouse in the town of al-Aziziyah, 50 miles southeast of Baghdad, the capital. The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

U.S. search teams have also been led to a site near Nasiriyah, a key Euphrates River crossing 200 miles south of Baghdad, where Iraqi informants said Scud missiles were buried.

COMPELLING EVIDENCE?

U.S. officials said the discoveries did not constitute final proof that Saddam had rebuilt his banned weapons program, as administration officials alleged in justifying the invasion of Iraq. But they said the materials were the best evidence so far that the Iraqi government could have done so and was actively trying to deceive U.N. inspectors before the war.

Richard Butler, the United Nations’ former chief weapons inspector, told MSNBC TV’s Lester Holt that he was “absolutely unsurprised” by the report. “We have known of [Saddam’s previous plans] for a decade,” he said.

Butler said that the discovery of components of a uranium enrichment system suggested that Iraq was far from production of actual weapons. The need for an enrichment system established that “Iraq does not have adequate sources of natural uranium,” he said. “... It has to be, above all, enriched to get weapons grade.”

“This all adds up and makes sense,” Butler said.

NBC’s Jim Miklaszewski and Andrea Mitchell, MSNBC TV’s Lester Holt and MSNBC.com’s Alex Johnson contributed to this report.

10 posted on 06/25/2003 9:26:21 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Bogey78O
I know! hehehe!
11 posted on 06/25/2003 9:26:23 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

From CASTOR BEANS AND CASTOR OIL :

The pomace, or cake remaining after the oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for fertilizer.

12 posted on 06/25/2003 9:28:14 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Lady In Blue; Tennessee_Bob
"Because of cruel US sanctions, Iraqi people were constipated with fear."
13 posted on 06/25/2003 9:28:49 PM PDT by dighton (NLC™)
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To: chance33_98
Didn't you just hate that stuff?! I hated it too. In Chicago,years ago, in our drug stores,we used to have ice cream counters and you could get a castor oil mixed with ice cream sodas,etc! It still tasted like yuk!
14 posted on 06/25/2003 9:28:49 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
well well well
15 posted on 06/25/2003 9:29:04 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: MJY1288
And don't forget - "I'm deeply concerned" !
16 posted on 06/25/2003 9:29:54 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Ichneumon
But those 300 bags were not filled with the "cake remaining after the oil is pressed out."
17 posted on 06/25/2003 9:30:45 PM PDT by alnick
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To: MJY1288
That's a good question. And don't forget Blix!
18 posted on 06/25/2003 9:30:55 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: bjcintennessee
You mean on Hannity and Colmes? I'm not sure I know the exact e-mail address but I'll give it a try.
19 posted on 06/25/2003 9:32:48 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: alnick
Thanks!
20 posted on 06/25/2003 9:33:31 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
Muttly's pea-shooter is precision calibrated for Castor Beans.

...can Muttly have 300 sacks of castor beans ?
21 posted on 06/25/2003 9:34:07 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (Have you hugged your Muttly of Mass Destruction today?...)
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To: homeschool mama
I know! Will wonders never cease! I bet there's some long faces at the DNC and DU tonight!
22 posted on 06/25/2003 9:37:38 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
INTREP
23 posted on 06/25/2003 9:40:01 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Lady In Blue
One reason I hold my Mother in esteem is that she didn't believe in castor oil..my friend's Mom did.That how I heard about the Yuk factor.
24 posted on 06/25/2003 9:40:31 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Lady In Blue
Thanks, Lady-i-B,

This is further proof of Iraq's emphasis on "dual use" chemicals, production facilities, etc. That was the strategy.

You can't pin anything on them if there's a dual use and the product you find is in it's pre-processed form.

This WAS the strategy.

We shouldn't be looking ONLY for fully processed chem weapons; we should be looking for the legal chemicals that are used as part of the recipe to produce the illegal chemicals.
25 posted on 06/25/2003 9:40:42 PM PDT by HatSteel
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To: Lady In Blue
I'm sure a few are *deeply saddened*.
26 posted on 06/25/2003 9:41:15 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Lady In Blue

Not the Castor Oil!!!!!!!!!


27 posted on 06/25/2003 9:41:47 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: Sgt_Schultze
HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!
28 posted on 06/25/2003 9:42:08 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Pray for America & Israel AND become a monthly donor to Free Republic. Or ELSE!)
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To: MEG33
hahahahahahahaha!!
29 posted on 06/25/2003 9:44:31 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: HatSteel
I have an idea the insecticide concentrate had dual use.
30 posted on 06/25/2003 9:45:44 PM PDT by MEG33
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To: Sgt_Schultze
That's funny! Did your mother ever make you take that stuff?
31 posted on 06/25/2003 9:46:56 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
bump
32 posted on 06/25/2003 9:47:17 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (The Gift is to See the Truth)
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To: Lady In Blue
There's everyone's WMD, ricin. That much is definately enough to load up into shells and warheads.
33 posted on 06/25/2003 9:48:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: dighton
And believe you me,there's nothing like castor oil to relieve that constipation!!
34 posted on 06/25/2003 9:48:33 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
Let me guess, these are the "magic" beans that are being sold to the DemocRats for $1 million per handful.
35 posted on 06/25/2003 9:52:13 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (No animals were harmed during the making of this post.)
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To: Lady In Blue; sheltonmac; JohnGalt
The sources said U.S. troops also discovered about 300 sacks of castor beans, which are used to make the deadly biological agent ricin, hidden in a warehouse in the town of al-Aziziyah, 50 miles southeast of Baghdad, the capital. The castor beans were inaccurately labeled as fertilizer.

Anybody see this?

Nope did anybody see this?

Uses of castor beans as FERTILIZER

The pomace, or cake remaining after the oil is pressed out, is poisonous to livestock but can be used for fertilizer.

Fast growing eye-catching plant with striking purple 2 foot leaves and stalks.

Castor oil is extracted from the seeds, but the seeds themselves are highly toxic. They contain the poison ricin, for which there is no known antidote. The pressed oil doesn't contain the ricin and is used for constipation and nervous disorders. It is also used in soaps, cosmetics, crayons, candles, varnishes, lubricating oils (Castrol), carbon paper, leather preservatives and fabric water-proofing. It is used as a cockroach repellant and a fabric dye. The plant residue is used as fertilizer and pressed into boards.

So it can be used for fertilizer and the bags were marked correctly. Hmmmm, but that story doesn't get many headlines though I guess.....

Just another ping for the ongoing continuing search for WMDs. Great, now we're down to beans. Where all these liters and tons we kept hearing about?

36 posted on 06/25/2003 9:52:19 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: HatSteel
All of what you say may be true but really is going to nail them is all of those DOCUMENTS! Now,I wonder what kind of excuse they'll have for them? I think they have a lot of splaining' to do!
37 posted on 06/25/2003 9:52:20 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: MEG33
Plants which produce insecticide are certainly dual use.
38 posted on 06/25/2003 9:52:40 PM PDT by HatSteel
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To: Lady In Blue
I'm an old guy, of course I ingested the sauce.
39 posted on 06/25/2003 9:53:49 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: homeschool mama
You just know they are as well as the Saddam brigade on Freerepublic,I'm sad to say! It's really pathetic to think that there are a few on this site that make excuses for such a dictator as Hussein.
40 posted on 06/25/2003 9:54:29 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Lady In Blue
Saddam brigade

Nice way of putting that. It's sad but OH SO TRUE.

41 posted on 06/25/2003 9:55:36 PM PDT by Brad’s Gramma (Pray for America & Israel AND become a monthly donor to Free Republic. Or ELSE!)
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To: Centurion2000
True. Do you remember where traces of ricin was found? A few months ago? I think it was in Paris in one or more of their subways. I maybe wrong but I think so.
42 posted on 06/25/2003 9:56:34 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Excuse_My_Bellicosity
hehehehe! You little rascal you!
43 posted on 06/25/2003 9:57:42 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: billbears
Did you see the part about all of those DOCUMENTS?

What do you have to say to Saddam? He's the one who admitted that he had all of those chemicals/biological weapons? If you don't want to believe the intelligence agencies of the U.S.then maybe you believe Saddam and the U.N.

44 posted on 06/25/2003 10:03:06 PM PDT by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: billbears
I guess that would explain the 2001 document with detailed instructions on how to hide material from UN weapons inspectors.

I'm curious. Why is it the idea that there are no WMD so all-fired important to you, to the point that you will argue against the facts?
45 posted on 06/25/2003 10:09:21 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Sgt_Schultze
That picture reminds me that after "Buck Wheat" grew up and retired from acting, he joined the Nation of Islam and changed his name.
He is now known as "Kareema Wheat."
46 posted on 06/25/2003 10:11:44 PM PDT by capitan_refugio
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To: Lady In Blue
the left: beans? har har har!!! Bush is saying that coffee beans will kill us now!!! har har har!!
47 posted on 06/25/2003 10:24:30 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch
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To: alnick
I'm curious. Why is it the idea that there are no WMD so all-fired important to you, to the point that you will argue against the facts?

Apparently ideology is more important than facts... Bush is not "conservative enough" for some folks here, so that makes him their political enemy. That mutates into irrational criticism of anything and everything they can try to grab onto to turn people against him.

48 posted on 06/25/2003 10:29:00 PM PDT by Tamzee (Liberalism.... the willing suspense of rationality.)
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To: alnick
U.S. OFFICIALS said the discoveries were not proof that Iraq had managed to build or obtain banned weapons of mass destruction, as President Bush asserted before the U.S. invasion of Iraq in March.

Did he assert that? Or is this MSNBC making things up?

http://www.bushcountry.org/bush_speeches/president_bush_speech_032003.htm

http://www.bushcountry.org/bush_speeches/president_bush_speech_031803.htm

http://www.bushcountry.org/bush_speeches/president_bush_speech_030703.htm

49 posted on 06/25/2003 10:31:02 PM PDT by lowbridge (Rob: "I see a five letter word. F-R-E-E-P. Freep." Jerry: "Freep? What's that?" - Dick Van Dyke Show)
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To: Lady In Blue
Just checked my recording of Hannity and Colmes tonight to look for their e-mail address for you, and discovered that they aired this same report Wednesday night.

For future reference, I think Hannity's e-mail is simply Hannity@foxnews.com.

50 posted on 06/25/2003 10:31:15 PM PDT by bjcintennessee
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