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300 Sacks Castor Beans Found In Iraq By U.S.Troops[per MSNBC]
MSNBC ^ | June 25, 2003 | vanity

Posted on 06/25/2003 9:14:47 PM PDT by Lady In Blue

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To: lowbridge
I'm always suspicious of sentences that start, "U.S. Officials say." Which U.S. Officials and why aren't they named?
51 posted on 06/25/2003 10:36:20 PM PDT by alnick
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To: Lady In Blue
I know they found some in England not long before we invaded Iraq
52 posted on 06/25/2003 10:40:38 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: billbears; Ichneumon
They read it and it did not register---cognitive dissidence.
53 posted on 06/25/2003 10:43:54 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: MJY1288
I wonder what John "Ketchup Boy" Kerry and Howard "Barney Rubble" Dean will say about this ?

They will be falling over themselves to get in front of the camera first and telling the public that they knew all along that our military would find them

54 posted on 06/25/2003 10:57:13 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Lady In Blue; Dog; Howlin; Brad's Gramma; Miss Marple; JohnHuang2
For those who may not be familiar with UN Resolution 1441, it is an interesting read. One section of it states the following:

3. Decides that, in order to begin to comply with its disarmament obligations, in addition to submitting the required biannual declarations, the Government of Iraq shall provide to UNMOVIC, the IAEA, and the Council, not later than 30 days from the date of this resolution, a currently accurate, full, and complete declaration of all aspects of its programmes to develop chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons, ballistic missiles, and other delivery systems such as unmanned aerial vehicles and dispersal systems designed for use on aircraft, including any holdings and precise locations of such weapons, components, sub-components, stocks of agents, and related material and equipment, the locations and work of its research, development and production facilities, as well as all other chemical, biological, and nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for purposes not related to weapon production or material;

All the emphasis is mine.

The complete text is here .... and it is surprisingly plain and easy to read.

U.N. Security Council Resolution 1441

55 posted on 06/25/2003 11:09:35 PM PDT by kayak (Do not bet against the success of freedom. - GWB 5/9/03)
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To: kayak
Good catch!
56 posted on 06/25/2003 11:10:41 PM PDT by JohnHuang2 (God bless the men and women of our military)
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To: kayak
Pretty cut and dried, if you ask me. Thanks for posting that!
57 posted on 06/25/2003 11:14:34 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America & Israel AND become a monthly donor to Free Republic. Or ELSE!)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
FYI, #55
58 posted on 06/25/2003 11:16:58 PM PDT by Bradís Gramma (Pray for America & Israel AND become a monthly donor to Free Republic. Or ELSE!)
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To: Brad's Gramma; HatSteel
Thanks!

Getting interesting, lots of pieces to the puzzle!

This is further proof of Iraq's emphasis on "dual use" chemicals, production facilities, etc. That was the strategy.

HatSteel ---I agree with your statement at #25. We certainly found lots of pesticides all over the place, at Military locations!!!!!

59 posted on 06/25/2003 11:34:01 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: Lady In Blue
"...the deadly biological agent ricin..."

Huh? Ricin is a toxin, ie. chemical agent, not a biological agent.

60 posted on 06/25/2003 11:35:18 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: MJY1288
I wonder what John "Ketchup Boy" Kerry and Howard "Barney Rubble" Dean will say about this?

They'll say it don't amount to a hill of... never mind.

61 posted on 06/25/2003 11:36:32 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: MJY1288

62 posted on 06/25/2003 11:38:34 PM PDT by scott7278 ("If I'm not back by dawn -- call the president.")
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To: Lady In Blue
"I think it was in Paris..."

Indeed it was...

63 posted on 06/25/2003 11:42:34 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Lady In Blue
When the whole truth is known, I hope we have the Democrat turncoats on tape. We should hound them out of office on a rail!
64 posted on 06/25/2003 11:58:31 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: billbears
So it can be used for fertilizer and the bags were</b? marked correctly

Are you serious?

The page you linked to stated this:

" Its coat and waste are fertilizer"

It's coat and waste are fertilizer. Were these the coats and waste? No.

Further the page you linked to also said:

Why weren't they accurately labeled"animal feed" or "cosmetics" or "rubber" or "soap" when they could have been made in to any of those as well.

Your post is one of the most distorted I've ever seen.

Did you deliberately distort things like this or are you just very dumb?

65 posted on 06/26/2003 12:05:40 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: chance33_98
Maybe Saddam was constipated?
66 posted on 06/26/2003 12:38:05 AM PDT by Atchafalaya
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To: Lady In Blue
Well didn't you know that Iraq has a huge "mole" problem and they needed the castor beans to plant in the "sand" to get rid of all those "sand" moles, they were ruining Sadaam's Gardens at all his palaces you know!

The final living mole-repellant I’d like to describe is castor bean, also known as castor-oil plant (Ricinus communis). Commercial mole repellent formulas are based on castor oil. Used in the old days as a laxative, there are still many folks out there who can attest to the repellent qualities of castor oil. And it would seem that moles don’t like it any better than humans do! A word of caution: castor bean, like mole plant, is poisonous – neither should be grown around small children.

<sarcasm off ;)
67 posted on 06/26/2003 1:09:26 AM PDT by stlnative
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To: brigette
bump
68 posted on 06/26/2003 3:04:33 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Bogey78O
It did not say the bags were mislabled. It said they were inaccurately labled. This implies that the bags might've been labled "castor beans - Peruvian blend" when in fact they were "castor beans - black Afghanie" However, if what was in the bags was castor beans (as the article claims was found to be, and instead the bags were labled "RJ-235 connectors" that would be mislabeling.

On the other hand, if the castor beans were discovered to be contained in many tiny white OEM "RJ-235 connectors" retail packages, a gross of which were packaged in bulk packaging bearing the Radio Shack logo with the SKU# and UPC indicating RJ-235 connectors that would be off-label use of labels with deliberate intent to mislead or deceive label readers. The FTC in that case will be all over their butts on that one, because that's called bait'n'switch, misrepresentation and fraud and there's all kinds of laws against that kind of thing.

69 posted on 06/26/2003 3:22:21 AM PDT by raygun
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; JohnHuang2; kayak
Here is the key sentence in the whole article..

NBC News has learned of several recent discoveries, some within the past week, one related to nuclear weapons and the others to chemical, biological and banned conventional weapons.

Who did we capture(Ace of Diamonds) in the last week........seems he is singing like a canary.

70 posted on 06/26/2003 3:22:51 AM PDT by Dog (Charter member of the Baghdad Bob fan club.....)
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To: Lady In Blue
Of course no one has seen this. Why? Because there aren't any WMDs in Iraq. Bush just made it all up. /sarcasm

Seriously, if the liberal media report this, it takes away the Dems talking points right now, thus, there's no *bad* news about Bush. And we all know hoe much we need news from the liberal media.

71 posted on 06/26/2003 3:59:12 AM PDT by rintense (Thank you to all our brave soldiers, past and present, for your faithful service to our country.)
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To: Ichneumon
I'm with you on these finds. The media is "pressing" with these reports, meaning they are coming across as goofy which makes the administration look bad. Nothing to indicate an active program. Finding a part buried under a rose bush for 13 years isn't exactly indicative of a vibrant active program. Finding castor beans on someone's farm is forced news, not meaningful news.

There are Iraqis who know the state of any illegal programs active immediately prior to the military action to remove Saddam. The problem appears to be that they think it wiser to ride out the American presence in silence rather than risk reprisal after we leave.
72 posted on 06/26/2003 4:12:48 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: raygun
It did not say the bags were mislabled. It said they were inaccurately labled. This implies that the bags might've been labled "castor beans - Peruvian blend" when in fact they were "castor beans - black Afghanie"

No, the article says that they were inaccurately labled AS fertilizer.

73 posted on 06/26/2003 4:46:09 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Lady In Blue
Bags of beans...............

The smoking gun
74 posted on 06/26/2003 4:48:42 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (MY VOTE IS FOR SALE)
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To: kinghorse
I'm with you on these finds. The media is "pressing" with these reports, meaning they are coming across as goofy which makes the administration look bad. Nothing to indicate an active program. Finding a part buried under a rose bush for 13 years isn't exactly indicative of a vibrant active program. Finding castor beans on someone's farm is forced news, not meaningful news.

It's interesting that you ignore the millions of documents referred to in the article, and specifically the 2001 document which details how to hide material from UN weapons inspectors. Can't think of a rationalization for that one, huh?

75 posted on 06/26/2003 4:49:20 AM PDT by alnick
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To: Lady In Blue
Thanks for the info.

Rats or Humans? Inside Saddam's Extermination Plant [Aug. 2002]
 
....Near the vacant lot where the castor oil plant had stood was a restored packing shed. No-one could explain why it appeared to have a reinforced concrete roof. Dr Ameen said: "That depends on the philosophy of the building's designer. Maybe it's good for ventilation."
 


76 posted on 06/26/2003 5:07:21 AM PDT by Ragtime Cowgirl (There has been a lot of action lately-a lot of it INSTIGATED by Coalition forces.-Gen Myers, Jun 24)
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To: billbears
Actually, this is a good analogy to what the hawks consider to be the value of an American soldiers life.

It's equal to a hill of beans.
77 posted on 06/26/2003 5:26:38 AM PDT by JohnGalt (They're All Lying)
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To: alnick
because they may be jackass clinton holdovers trying to spin this before the admin puts the presentation together?
78 posted on 06/26/2003 5:41:32 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: kayak
SOOOOoooooo - you mean the U.S. can already say the war was justified under 1441? Paging Joe Biden...
79 posted on 06/26/2003 5:43:54 AM PDT by epluribus_2
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To: Sgt_Schultze
"Wukkin' pu nub!"
[...in all the wrong places........]
80 posted on 06/26/2003 5:48:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Any misspellings are caused by a sticky keyboard!! [that darn ol' Coke!])
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To: billbears
Great, now we're down to beans

The administration is getting increasingly desperate. Pretty soon we'll be hearing FOX "news" shouting about how nitrous oxide was found at a dental clinic. I have more dangerous chemicals under my kitchen sink that they've located in the whole darn country so far. Geez.

Richard W.

81 posted on 06/26/2003 5:53:17 AM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Lady In Blue
Castor beans CAN be used as fertilizer. Of course, you would need to hide them because castor beans were always being stolen in Iraqi during Saddam's rule. A big commodity, don't ya know.
82 posted on 06/26/2003 5:57:37 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: Lady In Blue
Do you remember where traces of ricin was found? A few months ago? I think it was in Paris in one or more of their subways

The story was later proved to be false, but like so many of these nutty stories, the propagandists know that prople only hear the initial headline and take that as truth.

Richard W.

83 posted on 06/26/2003 6:00:20 AM PDT by arete (Greenspan is a ruling class elitist and closet socialist who is destroying the economy)
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To: Lady In Blue
Things are starting to tun up. I expect to hear these stories very regularly.
84 posted on 06/26/2003 6:05:21 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldnít be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: alnick
No it's great. I hope it's enough to sway world opinion. We are on the same side on this one. I think the media is making the administration look bad by feigning interest in ludicrous finds. Rusted barrels of pesticide, 2 goofy mobile trailers, a flange under a rose bush. Castor Beans. Not exactly stop the presses finds.
85 posted on 06/26/2003 6:22:02 AM PDT by kinghorse
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To: Lady In Blue; arete
I don't think there was anything to the Paris story but I believe the apartment raid in London a few months back resulted in the arrest of several Algerians and confiscation of castor beans and the equipment used to manufacture ricin.
86 posted on 06/26/2003 6:23:47 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Lady In Blue
True. Do you remember where traces of ricin was found?

They did find it in the Paris train station, they also found it in an aprtment in London. Then in a training camp in Northern Iraq, they also found some - and they could tell it was from the same batch.

87 posted on 06/26/2003 6:34:57 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: freeperfromnj
Terror police find deadly poison

Seventh Man Arrested in London Ricin Case

Google search on London and Ricin

88 posted on 06/26/2003 6:37:05 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
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To: Lady In Blue
Please see post #88 ;-)
89 posted on 06/26/2003 6:38:02 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
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To: tallhappy
Why weren't they accurately labeled"animal feed" or "cosmetics" or "rubber" or "soap" when they could have been made in to any of those as well.

Hmmmmm, perhaps because the only thing they planned to use it for was I don't know, maybe fertilizer? It was still in the bags!!! When they produce castor beans do they send just the coats and waste? Maybe the Iraqis had the capability to produce the fertilizer? Ever think of that? Or are you so blind you believe every word FOX news tells you to believe about the war?

90 posted on 06/26/2003 6:44:09 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Hmmmmm, perhaps because the only thing they planned to use it for was I don't know, maybe fertilizer?

With all that looting of everything that isn't nailed down, its a wonder the struggling farmers didn't run off with their "fertilizer" as sson as the war was over.

How do you Bush haters put reality on hold ?

91 posted on 06/26/2003 7:03:15 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: VRWC_minion
From the rest of the document you said you didn't have time to read

---The United Nations concluded in 1999 that Saddam Hussein had biological weapons sufficient to produce over 25,000 liters of anthrax
---materials sufficient to produce more than 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin
---had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent

Sad to say he didn't say anything about 300 bags of castor beans. Lord knows that fertilizer was probably about the most deadly of all!!

How do you Bush haters put reality on hold ?

How do you reality haters keep the administration (not necessarily Bush) above reproach ?

92 posted on 06/26/2003 7:23:04 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
How do you reality haters keep the administration (not necessarily Bush) above reproach ?

I haven't. I believe that if Bush exagerated the threat he should be accountable and I personally won't trust him again. However, all my instincts tell me that the adminstration is both withholding information regarding its findings as well as deliberately down playing what it does release.

I believe that makes sense in that the investigation has just begun and its dumb to make information public when an ongoing investigation is taking place.

All the signs are present. The facts leading to the war indicate the WMD existed. Saddam's actions indicatd the WMD existed. Bush and Blair being smart politico's are not about to set themselves a trap for themselves. The reports that are getting isssued are being issued with the reporters explaining that such information had been embargoed. Even the Clintons are not going out on that limb.

just like the foolish critics committed credibility suicide over the iraq war getting bogged down, they (and you) are now ruining their own credibility on harping on this issue.

93 posted on 06/26/2003 7:35:20 AM PDT by VRWC_minion (Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
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To: All
"Nonetheless, Ricin has been one of Saddam Hussein's favorites. In the 1990s, United Nations inspectors uncovered a decade-long drive to grow and process castor beans for what Iraqi scientists belatedly acknowledged was for Iraq's weapons arsenal. The country's ricin stashes remain unaccounted for." Bernadine Healy, M.D.
94 posted on 06/26/2003 7:35:49 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: arete
This is NBC news trumpeting these discoveries. The Administration has been and will continue to counsel patience. Both the President and SecDef showed nothing but confidence that their conclusions will be validated. If they are desperate, it's not showing. On the contrary, they act as if they've got something up their sleeve and these stories support that. A bit of perspective. We're not talking warehouses upon warehouses of the stuff. Whenever we hear 10,000 liters of this or that we need to remember it requires only fifty, 55-gallon drums to hold that much. Picture how easy it is to hide that much. One backyard could do it.
95 posted on 06/26/2003 7:38:08 AM PDT by Dilbert56
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To: Lady In Blue
Castor Oil!
Yuk!
96 posted on 06/26/2003 7:47:36 AM PDT by Fiddlstix (~~~ http://www.ourgangnet.net ~~~~~)
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To: All
The Henry L. Stimson Center "Biological Weapons Proliferation Concerns"

Thought this was worthwhile reading.

97 posted on 06/26/2003 7:54:40 AM PDT by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: eyespysomething
Thanks for the links
98 posted on 06/26/2003 7:58:29 AM PDT by freeperfromnj
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To: Lady In Blue
**You just know they are as well as the Saddam brigade on Freerepublic,I'm sad to say! It's really pathetic to think that there are a few on this site that make excuses for such a dictator as Hussein. **

Exactly, Lady. :o/

99 posted on 06/26/2003 8:04:46 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: Lady In Blue
LOL...in the meantime, Dem politicos and pundits are still harping on the WHERE ARE THE WMD? theme.

Nice of MSNBC to say the bags were 'mislabeled'. Just a mistake. Only a clerical error. If Saddam were still alive, he'd be the first one unable to recall anything about it...

And the components for uranium enrichment that Iraqi nuclear scientist allowed troops to dig up out of his backyard were really just medical equipment, right?

100 posted on 06/26/2003 8:07:48 AM PDT by cake_crumb (UN Resolutions=Very Expensive, Very SCRATCHY Toilet Paper)
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